VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[John Doe Jr.]

Keep in mind that Ian doesn't have to fuck her, you can leave it at a kiss and not get caught by the fuckboi duo.

I'm wondering if this is a pivotal choice that permanently affects where their relationship goes

 

[dundun]

Yeah, submissive Louise is the one version of their relationship that seems bound to happen. I'm looking forward to that as well! But I'm also curious to see what the alternative will be. Did Lena think specifically about Louise when she saw the collar, by the way? Or was it about Axel?

I don't think there will be an alternative to that. Sub Louise is the only thing Lena shows real interest in.
She first thinks she 'misses it' then remarks 'it would look good on Louise'

yes, i think it's obvious that Eva has some plans with good and bad Jess, and since she has implemented both, you have to find a way to determine which Jess gets which playthrough.

It could just be a nod the the different endings Jessica can have in GGGB so not to choose a canon ending for her.

 

[lcvargas]

I know people love their innocent Holly so may not be popular but I def am looking forward to Holly getting boned by Billy and/or the bouncer

Yeah, I kinda like the prospect of the bouncer (he is named this time, but I forgot his name) having a scene with Holly. If IRC he kinda fancies her.

 

[John Doe Jr.]

He already had one such scene but wavered. If Ian expresses fondness for Lena, Jeremy will initially reject her handjob at the bottle spin game, but give in if Lena insists.

This could hint at two things: 1) He does have a "code" as such that he'd ideally stick to but 2) he might struggle to stick with it?
I suppose this is subjective, but someone who does keep to whatever the "bro code" is supposed to enshrine, it could be argued, wouldn't give into Lena if he was lucid enough to protest in the first place.
Losing money sucks, but in the scenario we've seen he does have an out, even when you make the argument that alcohol was an influence. I think we'll see more elements similar to this scene.

I think this could possibly be a theme with Jeremy, I get the impression that he wants to be a player but doesn't quite have the stomach for an open hunting ground. I think the player may be able to influence how far he sticks with it. We'll see how things develop with Emma and Ivy from here.

I view it as Jeremy would want to uphold the bro code and thinks of himself as someone that would but when pressed by someone he really wants to get with (like Lena) he reluctantly gives into it. I'm wondering if there will be a scene of him feeling guilty after the fact

 

[NaillMcDracken]

With regards to this, I was taking a peek at the characters' variables in the game, and I noticed that Ian has a variable called physique. Don't know if it's just a variable that makes him stronger in a fight or if it's going to have implications in the graphics. I tend to agree with you, I believe that Eva would only change his build visibly towards the end of the game at the most. It's way too much work to make it something that detailed all throughout the game.

Looking forward to that kind of plot unfolding

Well, thinking about all of the female characters in the game, some distinction should be made. I would never fuck Alison, Louise or Minerva or Agnes, but I would fuck Cindy anytime. Clearly along with Holly, and Lena, and Emma, and Cherry, and Ivy...

Personally, I would fuck all women, a good friend already says "From the lizard on, everything is hunting and so that you don't get left empty-handed, don't make distinctions."

 

[BlandChili]

I view it as Jeremy would want to uphold the bro code and thinks of himself as someone that would but when pressed by someone he really wants to get with (like Lena) he reluctantly gives into it. I'm wondering if there will be a scene of him feeling guilty after the fact

That'll be the crucial part to determine his character I think, the reflection part.
You'd also have to recognise part of Lena's actions of course, she is a consenting adult after all (I don't think taking molly forces this choice).

I have had this sneaking hope that Jeremy might fall (earnestly) in love with Ivy and that Ian and Lena can influence their relationship from there (also Billy path). I think this would be an interesting way to take his story, the wannabe playa that falls in love with the promiscuous flashy girl.

 

[BlandChili]

Yeah, I kinda like the prospect of the bouncer (he is named this time, but I forgot his name) having a scene with Holly. If IRC he kinda fancies her.

Marcel.

I don't think you have to worry about Holly getting content in that direction. I wonder how much of it we will get to see though, assuming Lena and Ian aren't directly involved in any or all potential scenes of this nature. I do wonder if Eva has had an Ian cuck path planned for this route, given that Ian can profess tenderness for Holly before any change into her corrupted path. Ian falls in love with Holly and Lena+Ivy end up sabotaging it if you play Ian and Lena as contradicting types.

Regardless, I just hope there is a measure of gradience to it, I'd like to explore some corruption themes with her, but I'm not really interested in getting it on with side characters like Marcel and Mark constantly, so I hope you can still make Holly more sexually extroverted without it necessarily being about sharing her with other characters in all scenes.

My one complaint about slut Eva in GGGB was that there wasn't a real route for slut Ash and Eva to be "partners in crime" except for some threesomes near the end. I think something like that could be fun with Lena/Holly also.

 

[NaillMcDracken]

I hate this culture. Now that everyone has the capability to be their own online brand, everyday life's become way too commodified. Social media needs to die a horrible death. I wouldn't say everyone is playing that game though. Just the most shallow among us. "Any" is a pretty big exaggeration and Instagram automatons are still just a small representation of people IRL, thank god. Still alarming how many younger people idolize and give power to that bullshit. Don't feed the monster by following them.

I suppose that if you are a saint you were in the wrong place or simply looking to find heaven among the flames of hell. Because his comment seems that of a priest or a shepherd disguised as a sheep.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I suppose that if you are a saint you were in the wrong place or simply looking to find heaven among the flames of hell. Because his comment seems that of a priest or a shepherd disguised as a sheep.

Huh? I have no qualms or problems with sex, drugs or debauchery of the consensual kind. My only qualm here is with these fake assembly-line personas people commodify online and the suckers who fund and glorify them. Putting unremarkable people on this pedestal who don't deserve it. I was never a fan of celebrity worship either, but at least some of them got to where they were through talent and innovation.

 

[Massi89]

I know people love their innocent Holly so may not be popular but I def am looking forward to Holly getting boned by Billy and/or the bouncer

Yep, I'm looking forward to that too.
Holly is clearly a character meant to change throughout the story, personally I just wish that Eva make Holly's corruption look as credible and realistic as possible.
The charm of innocence is breaking it

Personally, I would fuck all women, a good friend already says "From the lizard on, everything is hunting and so that you don't get left empty-handed, don't make distinctions."

Haha, this reminds me of a person I know who once said that having sex with a woman is like asking for a glass of water in a desert I will disagree, but I respect that opinion.

 

[TamaMountain]

Lena, Alison and Holly are most likely possible Girlfriend Options for Ian but Cindy could also just become some sort of "cheating affair" or do you think she actually could become Ian's Girlfriend at some point?

Absolutely. Eva has spent way too much time developing Cindy for her to not be a possible girlfriend for Ian.

Between the dancing at the club, the art museum date, the flirting on the phone, the photoshoot, and Cindy's fallout with Wade, I think it is guaranteed that Cindy can end up with Ian.

When I think about it, there's been a lot of content for Cindy so far, so I expect ch 8 to not focus on her, at least for the Ian path. But, I do hope we get to see the outcome of Ian NOT pursuing Cindy after Wade's blow-up at Blaze. Perhaps if Ian is friends with Axel, Axel will send him a very special video ?

 

[TamaMountain]

Well, chapter 7 introduced Billy as a new character, not sure how much he is going to be involved in the relationships among the more important characters

Smells like a porn path tbh. First modelling, then stalkfap, the next step seems to be porn for Lena (remember Ashley?). The biggest hint for this, apart from Eva's past with GGGB, is Billy's other source of income that he hinted at.

Granted this is a drastic change so I expect Billy to adhere to his promises of a professional modelling career, then slowly entice Lena and Ivy with this side job. If it does come to that, I wonder will it be Lena or Ivy who convinces the other to take the job?

Another thing I'm interested in is Axel's reaction to all this. He is already fuming that Ian gets to fk Lena so I expect him to react in a similar way to Billy's job. Maybe he will show up to the shoot and fight with Billy and Jeremy? Question is: who will win?

 

[Reasoon]

He already had one such scene but wavered. If Ian expresses fondness for Lena, Jeremy will initially reject her handjob at the bottle spin game, but give in if Lena insists.

This could hint at two things: 1) He does have a "code" as such that he'd ideally stick to but 2) he might struggle to stick with it?
I suppose this is subjective, but someone who does keep to whatever the "bro code" is supposed to enshrine, it could be argued, wouldn't give into Lena if he was lucid enough to protest in the first place.
Losing money sucks, but in the scenario we've seen he does have an out, even when you make the argument that alcohol was an influence. I think we'll see more elements similar to this scene.

I think this could possibly be a theme with Jeremy, I get the impression that he wants to be a player but doesn't quite have the stomach for an open hunting ground. I think the player may be able to influence how far he sticks with it. We'll see how things develop with Emma and Ivy from here.

That's a good Analysis of Jeremy's Character but with this I'm kind of mad about his Behavior regarding Alison in the Game. When you tell him as Ian that he should not go after her (because Ian likes her) he is still trying and the only way to pretend this is for Alison herself rejecting him if you as Ian give her enough Attention in her Route. With Lena you can just say to him that you really like her but it would be nice if you would have the same Option with Alison.

 

[BlandChili]

That's a good Analysis of Jeremy's Character but with this I'm kind of mad about his Behavior regarding Alison in the Game. When you tell him as Ian that he should not go after her (because Ian likes her) he is still trying and the only way to pretend this is for Alison herself rejecting him if you as Ian give her enough Attention in her Route. With Lena you can just say to him that you really like her but it would be nice if you would have the same Option with Alison.

Good point, and looking back this is actually sort of a theme in the game, that you don't quite have enough openness to profess preference for a lot of the non-Ian/Lena characters yet. Lena too is railroaded into not wanted anything serious with Robert and she's not very serious about Louise either.

I hope it's not something Eva will keep up for the entire game, it can disrupt the role-play aspect if Lena and Ian aren't given enough opportunity for the player to pursue their option preferences to the degree that they like. I know there aren't as many Alison, Louise and Robert fans as Lena/Ian fans but surely the objective of designing a game like this is to make all the options appear legitimate.

Will be interesting to see for how long the main characters get to skirt around their feelings for other characters yet, Lena and Ian really need the option of having a "sit down and talk" scene to hash out the deets of their relationship!

Holly is clearly a character meant to change throughout the story, personally I just wish that Eva make Holly's corruption look as credible and realistic as possible.
The charm of innocence is breaking it

Another good point in relation to this path.

Something I did find slightly jarring about Eva's content in GGGB was how easily she fell to the dark(bbc) side in some scenarios. Sometimes just fucking the dude from the club or going to the pool party that one time is enough to turn her into a completely wanton cock-hungry sex-puppet, to the degree that any professed love for Ashley is completely disregarded.

I have no problem with that being an end-state of course, this is porn after all, but ideally you don't go from "girl next door" to "constantly full of cock" in the duration of a single fuck. Some of the fun lies in the scenes that would ideally slot in between those two points too.

That's what I mean by gradient too, just as much as I'd love alternate stop-gaps that take you some of the way down a corruption path without surrendering to it completely, even if you intend to do go all the way and abandon all pretence, the journey is part of the fun too.

 

[Reasoon]

Good point, and looking back this is actually sort of a theme in the game, that you don't quite have enough openness to profess preference for a lot of the non-Ian/Lena characters yet. Lena too is railroaded into not wanted anything serious with Robert and she's not very serious about Louise either.

I hope it's not something Eva will keep up for the entire game, it can disrupt the role-play aspect if Lena and Ian aren't given enough opportunity for the player to pursue their option preferences to the degree that they like. I know there aren't as many Alison, Louise and Robert fans as Lena/Ian fans but surely the objective of designing a game like this is to make all the options appear legitimate.

Will be interesting to see for how long the main characters get to skirt around their feelings for other characters yet, Lena and Ian really need the option of having a "sit down and talk" scene to hash out the deets of their relationship!

Exactly this and with the Alison/Jeremy Situation you already have the Choice to say something to him but it's just strange that Jeremy doesn't give a shit but with Lena he hesitates and even backs down in Ivy's Game (If Lena doesn't insist).

This is kind of my only Fear with the Game that it pushes Ian/Lena too hard and then every other Route will suffer from it. I totally get that Ian/Lena has the most Fans because they are the Main Characters of this Story but for me Ian/Lena is not the best pairing at all (at least until now!). It will be interesting to see how the Importance of every possible Route will be handled the further the game progresses.

 

[BlandChili]

This is kind of my only Fear with the Game that it pushes Ian/Lena too hard and then every other Route will suffer from it. I totally get that Ian/Lena has the most Fans because they are the Main Characters of this Story but for me Ian/Lena is not the best pairing at all (at least until now!). It will be interesting to see how the Importance of every possible Route will be handled the further the game progresses.

Same.

Although, it's not that I mind the Ian/Lena pairing, I actually think they make an attractive couple. I just dislike the narrative setup that they are somehow more destined to be a pair than any other pairing options. I feel like the pitch of the red string tying those two together runs somewhat counterintuitively to what the point is of telling that story in a a choice-based game.

I do hope that these are some of the things Eva has struggled with during her writing period for this chapter, I would very much like to get some "serious" content with other characters. It would at least be nice to be allowed to express romantic intent towards some of the other characters, I think we're getting to a point now where you have either chosen to cement Ian/Lena or not.

 

[PilotLara]

So, you don't want to replay the game? OK.
An option, default being on, would please everybody. I am just not sure how much work that would be. I have no idea how they did it but it probably included going through every choice and adding code. So doing that again might not be worth it. Then again, maybe it would be just that Lara person doing it

Hi, that Lara person here. I created a toggle in the settings menu. I'll try to get Eva to add it for the alpha release otherwise it will be for the beta.

 

[Mesmerizet]

He already had one such scene but wavered. If Ian expresses fondness for Lena, Jeremy will initially reject her handjob at the bottle spin game, but give in if Lena insists.

This could hint at two things: 1) He does have a "code" as such that he'd ideally stick to but 2) he might struggle to stick with it?
I suppose this is subjective, but someone who does keep to whatever the "bro code" is supposed to enshrine, it could be argued, wouldn't give into Lena if he was lucid enough to protest in the first place.
Losing money sucks, but in the scenario we've seen he does have an out, even when you make the argument that alcohol was an influence. I think we'll see more elements similar to this scene.

I think this could possibly be a theme with Jeremy, I get the impression that he wants to be a player but doesn't quite have the stomach for an open hunting ground. I think the player may be able to influence how far he sticks with it. We'll see how things develop with Emma and Ivy from here.

Question; how did you get the scenario that you're talking about? I'm saying expressing that you may be in love with Lena ( <3 option) with Jeremy, and Jeremy not rejecting Lena during the bottle game. Is it possible and if possible, is it only gathered by getting enough -Jeremy points throughout the game?

 

[knightoflisbon]

I kinda wish Robert leaned into the whole "fuck me and I'll put in a good word for you to management" vibe.

That whole aspect of the plot seems to kinda fizzle out. You either fuck him and "unintentionally" benefit by him helping you keep your job, or you scorn him and then later on he comes back all apologetic and shit.

I must say I'm glad the new black dude, whose name I do not remember (Bobby or Ricky or something), seems very likely to scratch that sleazy, manipulative itch. Lena using sex to get what she wants is top tier coomer material from my POV.

 

[BlandChili]

Question; how did you get the scenario that you're talking about? I'm saying expressing that you may be in love with Lena ( <3 option) with Jeremy, and Jeremy not rejecting Lena during the bottle game. Is it possible and if possible, is it only gathered by getting enough -Jeremy points throughout the game?

I don't know the details as I don't play Ian/Lena myself, but such as I've been told Ian just has the option to declare his romantic interest in Lena to Jeremy, I think, at some point during the latest chapter although I don't know specifically when. I think the only requirement is that Lena and Ian are involved, but you might have to pick the option for them to cuddle too.

Then as Lena you just have to go to the bottle spin game and play it until Ivy and Louise ask you to help Jeremy ejaculate.