VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Deleted member 3064965]

Thanks for an interesting discussion about Lena's more promiscous choices! I agree that she sometimes falls a bit too easily on the darker path. I did a quick promiscous Lena playtrough recently, and another scenario I noticed was her involvement with Mike. I generally like LenaxMike better than LenaxRobert, because Lena is the instigator, and in a way it's just as much Lena corrupting Mike as the other way round. However, in their second scene she's already obsessing about being fucked "in every hole" by Mike, and that annoying "hee hee" laughter is introduced. It kind of reverses the interesting power balance, and feels like a little too much too soon. In those scenes she's got several middle way dialogue options, though.

One of the promiscous Lena scenarios I think Eva's done a good job with, is Lena's fascination for Jeremy's cock. I can't remember ever seeing an interesting take on the BBC trope, because it almost always follows the same extremely basic pattern: 1) Woman sees cock. 2) Woman is shocked by the size of the cock, and the only thing she cares about is being fucked by that cock. The complete lack of context and other personal traits than "unable to resist big cocks" makes it just boring and uninteresting.

Overall, I'm still skeptical about Jeremy, and the blowjob scene isn't necessarily perfectly executed. But I'm still interested in their relationship, because Lena obviously is a more complex than the most women in BBC scenarios. Also, Lena's fascination for Jeremy has been given several chapters and scenes to develop, while their stories at the same time have been intertwined in several non sexual ways. In a narrative sense it's more like a character flaw for Lena than a classic, clichéd BBC obsession.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

24 hrs to go?

She said that her goal was to have the Alpha ready by the end of the week, "probably Saturday". So still a bit of uncertainty, I would say.

 

[Cabot]

Judging from Lena's internal dialogue with Jeremy in the drinking game interactions if she's got the right fetishes, I think that misstep from GGGB is still there to some extent in ORS, unfortunately. Otherwise good Lena is thanking Ivy and happily dismissing Ian (if she likes him) in her thoughts during those actions. Internal-dialogue-wise, it's a complete 180 from how you've played her if not going the complete ho-bag route. Even just pulling down his pants to complete the dare. Eva does have a lot to tackle, but there should be some sort of middle-of-the-road dialogue in these situations with some push-pull in her thoughts (turned on but guilty, or reluctant but with necessity) for plausibility if she's otherwise made some ethical choices. As-is it's a complete immersion breaker.

I think you might be misremembering or misrepresenting that scene a bit. Even a Lena who has expressed BBC being her deepest sexual fantasy (and in order to be able to choose that she either has shown interest in Jeremy’s cock before or is already a bit of a size queen) will express doubts during that scene. For example: even with the fantasy and after choosing to take his pants off Lena’s inner monologue will say “I hesitated for an instant. Jeremy was Ian's friend, not to mention Louise's boyfriend…” UNLESS she’s also under the influence of drugs.

After that the player still has the option to quit the game a couple times (and different motives are given explicitly or through inner monologue) and when reaching the handjob point Lena still has the option to don’t do it -spending one will point if she has the fantasy- and again expressing her concerns then.

So, for the scene to develop as you painted it (and yes, it can indeed happen), with Lena “happily dismissing Ian” even when having feelings for him, Lena has to have lusted for Jeremy before, and confess her BBC fantasy, and be on drugs, and go full ahead with the game till the end ignoring all the middle ground wayouts. If not, at some point or another some degrre of reluctance and doubts will be displayed. But, if after several choices the player has made clear is all in about it, what room for reluctance is left?

I mean, after taking all those steps I'd say the player can’t expect Lena to be thinking about Ian (she does it the day after), or just being clearheaded, when he has guided her actions in the opposite direction all the time. With all respect, it looks like a “you have made your bed, now lie in it” scenario to me...

 

[mommysboiii]

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[BlandChili]

One of the promiscous Lena scenarios I think Eva's done a good job with, is Lena's fascination for Jeremy's cock. I can't remember ever seeing an interesting take on the BBC trope, because it almost always follows the same extremely basic pattern: 1) Woman sees cock. 2) Woman is shocked by the size of the cock, and the only thing she cares about is being fucked by that cock. The complete lack of context and other personal traits than "unable to resist big cocks" makes it just boring and uninteresting.

Overall, I'm still skeptical about Jeremy, and the blowjob scene isn't necessarily perfectly executed. But I'm still interested in their relationship, because Lena obviously is a more complex than the most women in BBC scenarios. Also, Lena's fascination for Jeremy has been given several chapters and scenes to develop, while their stories at the same time have been intertwined in several non sexual ways. In a narrative sense it's more like a character flaw for Lena than a classic, clichéd BBC obsession.

One thing I remember from when I did go part-way with the Jeremy handjob scene was that I thought Lena's reaction was a bit too porn-esque.

In that playthrough I had specifically only desires women again, even masturbated without that beginning toy to get the Holly masturbation option, but Lena still gawks at the thing like a dumb fuck.

I think the choice to be into "big cock" that gets set if you spy on Louise/Jeremy and emphasis Jeremy's little Jerry would be more interesting if Lena's reaction when going along with the game (for winning purposes) was more neutered. Far from all women care about large cocks and it would be nice to reflect that in Lena, even when you aren't playing everything "lesbian enough" to avoid cock altogether.

 

[BlandChili]

why a game like this dont goes on onlyfans she would prob make huge money

Are there any examples of games development being situated through OF?

 

[lockerxx]

24 hrs to go?

Best case scenario.

 

[Blob]

why a game like this dont goes on onlyfans she would prob make huge money

Isn't onlyfans mostly for posting real life porn/nudes, things that aren't allowed on patreon?

 

[dundun]

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

One thing I remember from when I did go part-way with the Jeremy handjob scene was that I thought Lena's reaction was a bit too porn-esque.

In that playthrough I had specifically only desires women again, even masturbated without that beginning toy to get the Holly masturbation option, but Lena still gawks at the thing like a dumb fuck.

I think the choice to be into "big cock" that gets set if you spy on Louise/Jeremy and emphasis Jeremy's little Jerry would be more interesting if Lena's reaction when going along with the game (for winning purposes) was more neutered. Far from all women care about large cocks and it would be nice to reflect that in Lena, even when you aren't playing everything "lesbian enough" to avoid cock altogether.

Yeah, it's the premise that women are obsessed with big cocks that usually make those kind of porn movies/stories/whatever just silly. I'm struggling a bit to pinpoint the specifics of what I think makes LenaxJeremy different, though. I like the fact that none of them have made any advances towards each other before the scene at Ivy's, and that Jeremy seems more insecure with Lena than with other women. The slow burn evolution of their relationship contradicts the usual way those stories play out.

It's absolutely not the fascination for big cocks in itself that makes it interesting; it could just as well be some other physical trait she was obsessed with / intrigued by. It's rather the fact that despite that very specific starting point, Lena's attraction to Jeremy doesn't purely seem bland and one dimensional.

Also, the blowjob scene happens within a very specific context. It's an after party, Ivy is slowly directing the scene towards that moment, and they have the betting as an "excuse" to justify doing it. Her reaction is indeed a bit porn-esque, but it still doesn't feel completely over-the-top – for me, at least. In my other playthroughs I tell Louise about Jeremy and Ian, so I haven't played the scene with a less promiscous Lena, but I can imagine that it comes across as a bit less balanced in those scenarios.

 

[Firraxa]

So tomorrow will be the next update. 0.8/
Wow

 

[JustForPorn12]

Yeah, it's the premise that women are obsessed with big cocks that usually make those kind of porn movies/stories/whatever just silly. I'm struggling a bit to pinpoint the specifics of what I think makes LenaxJeremy different, though. I like the fact that none of them have made any advances towards each other before the scene at Ivy's, and that Jeremy seems more insecure with Lena than with other women. The slow burn evolution of their relationship contradicts the usual way those stories play out.

It's absolutely not the fascination for big cocks in itself that makes it interesting; it could just as well be some other physical trait she was obsessed with / intrigued by. It's rather the fact that despite that very specific starting point, Lena's attraction to Jeremy doesn't purely seem bland and one dimensional.

Also, the blowjob scene happens within a very specific context. It's an after party, Ivy is slowly directing the scene towards that moment, and they have the betting as an "excuse" to justify doing it. Her reaction is indeed a bit porn-esque, but it still doesn't feel completely over-the-top – for me, at least. In my other playthroughs I tell Louise about Jeremy and Ian, so I haven't played the scene with a less promiscous Lena, but I can imagine that it comes across as a bit less balanced in those scenarios.

I'd have to replay through it to recall exactly, but I'm fairly certain Lena's reaction to Jeremy's cock, assuming you don't choose any of the "fantasizing about bbc" options, is just a general suprise at the size, which I find kind of realistic, would probably have that reaction myself if some guy pulled a dick out bigger than my forearm.

Only complaint/change I'd really like for that scene, is some way for it to smack her in the face when she pulls it out, instead of her pulling away at the last second

 

[Moryaka26]

I think fight tournament will start in chapter 8 and will finish in chapter 9

 

[BlandChili]

Yeah, it's the premise that women are obsessed with big cocks that usually make those kind of porn movies/stories/whatever just silly.

Tbh it doesn't bother me to an extreme amount, at least not when there's alternative options presented for those who don't enjoy that tone of pornography. I have certainly known other women that were oddly explicit about their size-preferences for cocks. You'd be surprised at the foul ways women sometimes refer to male genetalia when they think they're in an agreeable crowd.

I'm struggling a bit to pinpoint the specifics of what I think makes LenaxJeremy different, though. I like the fact that none of them have made any advances towards each other before the scene at Ivy's, and that Jeremy seems more insecure with Lena than with other women. The slow burn evolution of their relationship contradicts the usual way those stories play out.

Certainly one thing that I've liked is that they aren't all over each other just for existing, like how Tyrone will act towards Ashley if you let him drive you home in gggb.

I am interested in the idea that Jeremy feels insecure about Lena because she's a different type to who he'd normally pursue? Ivy is promiscuous and outgoing while Louise wants attention. I was also interested in how utterly disinterested he seemed in regards to Holly, not even bothering to really get to know her name. Looking forward to seeing how that plays out further too.

 

[Archangells]

So tomorrow will be the next update. 0.8/
Wow

Very good :3

 

[mehGusta]

...I am interested in the idea that Jeremy feels insecure about Lena because she's a different type to who he'd normally pursue? Ivy is promiscuous and outgoing while Louise wants attention. I was also interested in how utterly disinterested he seemed in regards to Holly, not even bothering to really get to know her name. Looking forward to seeing how that plays out further too.

ooh, that's an interesting thought. having a love route for Lena Jeremy where she is the dominant one, and i don't mean bdsm style, i mean "who got the pants on in the relationship? it's gotta be Lena" style. like Jeremy still plays being a player, but only for his ego since he's head over heels for Lena. that i would like to see!

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

I'd have to replay through it to recall exactly, but I'm fairly certain Lena's reaction to Jeremy's cock, assuming you don't choose any of the "fantasizing about bbc" options, is just a general suprise at the size, which I find kind of realistic, would probably have that reaction myself if some guy pulled a dick out bigger than my forearm.

Only complaint/change I'd really like for that scene, is some way for it to smack her in the face when she pulls it out, instead of her pulling away at the last second

I can't remember how the scene plays out if she hasn't seen his cock before, so you're probably right about her reaction. The porn-esque part I talked about, and which BlandChili commented on first, was rather the hand-/blowjob scene afterwards. It was porn-esque, but well executed porn-esque, in my view.

And yes, with the way his dick pops out of his pants, you kind of expect it to smack her face. Lena showing up at the cafe on the next workday with a difficult to explain black eye?

Tbh it doesn't bother me to an extreme amount, at least not when there's alternative options presented for those who don't enjoy that tone of pornography. I have certainly known other women that were oddly explicit about their size-preferences for cocks. You'd be surprised at the foul ways women sometimes refer to male genetalia when they think they're in an agreeable crowd.

Certainly one thing that I've liked is that they aren't all over each other just for existing, like how Tyrone will act towards Ashley if you let him drive you home in gggb.

Yeah, I wouldn't say it bothers me either. Maybe this is just me gradually adjusting my point, but it’s just as fair to like big dicks as prefering other physical traits. The problem for me, story wise, would be if Lena immediately threw herself upon Jeremy because she just doesn’t have the willpower to hold back once she sees a big cock. The BBC trope is usually someone fucking a big dick; a LenaxJeremy scene in the next episode would be Lena fucking a person with a big dick.

I am interested in the idea that Jeremy feels insecure about Lena because she's a different type to who he'd normally pursue? Ivy is promiscuous and outgoing while Louise wants attention. I was also interested in how utterly disinterested he seemed in regards to Holly, not even bothering to really get to know her name. Looking forward to seeing how that plays out further too.

Agreed. I can’t immediately point out any particular scenes to back up this, but my general impression is that Jeremy struggles to maintain that player/bro act in front of Lena. There’s a lot about Jeremy I don’t like as well (I can’t remember that disinterest towards Holly, but that would be one of those things), but there’s something about their interactions I find intriguing. I still think it’s realistic that we’ll see an option for a romantic relationship between them at some point. Story wise I find the idea of a romantic relationship evolving from a completely non-romantic starting point interesting. (And peeking at someone’s dick while they fuck your room mate definitely counts as non-romantic.)

 

[BlandChili]

Agreed. I can’t immediately point out any particular scenes to back up this, but my general impression is that Jeremy struggles to maintain that player/bro act in front of Lena.

I think it goes a bit further than just with Lena though, I've mentioned before that I feel like both he and Ivy aren't completely comitted to their lifestyle yet and that their directions will depend on Ian and Lena. Lena of course is the character that we most clearly see his barrier break down with and Ian is the one he tries to prove himself to (or against).

We'll see if I'm right

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

I think it goes a bit further than just with Lena though, I've mentioned before that I feel like both he and Ivy aren't completely comitted to their lifestyle yet and that their directions will depend on Ian and Lena. Lena of course is the character that we most clearly see his barrier break down with and Ian is the one he tries to prove himself to (or against).

We'll see if I'm right

I think that makes a lot of sense, also in comparison to GGGB. The part I’m most unsure about, is how Ian’s potential influence on Ivy will be, but maybe we’ll see some further interactions between them in the coming chapter.

 

[cognu]

My impression was that the different attitude from Jeremy comes more from him being with Louise and Lena is known by Ian / Ivy as well... so even if he want to act like his usual player attitude, he thinks that he mightl lose something if he openly pursuit Lena (Louise, chances with Ivy, or even Ian friendship depending of the route).
Kind of like he assumes that Lena is out of the field, for the moment, if he wants to keep things going with his other conquests.
The party might as well open a way for him to pursue her more agressively due to her being open of what she wants in that path.

Lena attitude towards Jeremy is purely sexual, if you compare the times that she fantasizes about someone (Taking for example Axel, which with him is all about his attiude and her role, and Jeremy is just the dick), seems that its written that way un purpose, on personal level they have no chemistry besides the fetishes, like him being Louise boyfriend or having a huge dick.

Their interactions outside the party are quite "cordial" or passive/agressive (Again, depending on which path are you), so it seems that the path for both of them needs a lot of work yet (Like... having some common ground besides sex) or go towards the usual rabbit hole and have a purely sexual relationship.

It give me vibes of GGGB that his role will be closely tied to Ivy and Louise in sharing / swapping / cheating scenarios more than a romantic interest due to his personality (for the moment) being something that Lena starts the game not being fond of.

I think that makes a lot of sense, also in comparison to GGGB. The part I’m most unsure about, is how Ian’s potential influence on Ivy will be, but maybe we’ll see some further interactions between them in the coming chapter.

I suppose that this chapter we might see more of this, because for "new" relationships only Ivy and Louise are left to determine which kind of interaction will Ian have with them.
I hope for Ian/Ivy interaction had the possibility on going both ways; ian delving in Ivy's world due to him being drawn by her and he being "corrupted" in a way ; and the other way, the opposite, like Ian being the kind of guy that was teased at the start of the game that might rock her world hard and make her root for a long relationship (Lena will have this role as well in other path, for sure, i hope)