VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Reasoon]

Could not agree more with literally everything you said. I guess time will show whether Eva sticks true to her vision as the creator of this series, or if she caves to the skewed opinions of her Patreon who know nothing about what's to come for the characters and plot of the story. Way too many games on Patreon go this way, and it sucks.

I'm hoping that Eva does these polls more as a curiosity to gauge how people are feeling and to keep them engaged, rather then something to dictate the game focus going forward.

But I get the impression Eva is a creator with pretty clear focus and vision, and knows where to draw the line on 'Patreon participation' in the project.

Thanks for that I'm glad I'm not the only one with this Opinion! But I do believe Eva is a very good Writer and I trust her completely with this Story so I hope she can fullfill her Story like she wants to.

Well, the Patrons have their own right to kinda influence the development because they pay for the game.
If the majority of them lean towards that direction you gotta respect it.

Don't get me wrong of course do patreons have the right to influence the Story since they are paying for it but I think it should stay this way - influence not change. I will respect every decision the Game will go but I just hope it makes sense for the Story and is still something Eva has at least planned herself.

But who knows, Eva does claim to care more for story this time around.

This one Sentence is all that matters for me. The Story needs to stay this good and everything will be fine. This the first Game where I came for the Porn but stayed for the Story so this is kind of important for me

 

[Zedire]

Well, the Patrons have their own right to kinda influence the development because they pay for the game.
If the majority of them lean towards that direction you gotta respect it.

But aside from that matter.......Jeremy's BBC is all Lena wants.
Ian deserves to be cucked ahahahahahaahah

As I have said before, bow down to Jeremy's glorious manhood!

Patrons don't own the right to influence the direction of the game just because they donate - they only own the right to what the artist offers in that tier, and the whole idea is to support the artist so they can continue to make content at all. It's just that a couple of devs who use Patreon and don't have a strong direction, or are easily swayed, or care more about the money then any particular vision they have, will let the Patrons direct them. Most of those types of games end up either never getting finished - using the Patrons as little more then bottomless cash cows - or result in a game that's of relatively low quality cos it pulls in a million different directions without focusing on the story's structure, and on forwarding and bolstering the central plot.

Personally I think Jeremy - as he is right now, and from my current experience playing - is little more then a bland stereotype, and no amount of BBC makes up for that. Not that Jeremy is beyond saving, but until he actually gets a personality and makes me care about him in some significant way, I'd prefer Ian a million times over.

But that's just my opinion on it.

 

[MyStupidPornAccount]

It's really not one of the best scenes in the game and feels rushed with a lack of options and ending fast compared to others tbh I hope it gets completely overhauled like what happened to emma's second scene, hopefully eva collects written feedback and realises the majority of the votes are just people liking bbc and not actually thinking its a well made scene which is what the poll was actually after. It wasn't a "what pairing do you want more of poll" it was a poll about what people liked from scenes and how that can influence all scenes going forward but of course people just have their fucking dick in their hand when they vote and don't think imagining they are clicking a 'more black cock' button, so we will probably end up with more scenes where you dont get to pick positions or dirty talk and its all male pov for some reason and the dude cums instantly, whoopee I can't wait thanks patrons.

 

[Skylark21]

Ian x Holly 60
Ian x Minerva 84
Ian x Lena 89
Lena x Robert 23
Lena x Louise 53
Lena x Jeremy 159
Ian x Emma 73
Lena x Mike 43
Lena x Holly 78
Holly x Ivy/Ivy+Lena 149
Lena sexting 36
Alison sexting 27

So Lena × Holly got more votes than Ian × Holly

 

[Reasoon]

So Lena × Holly got more votes than Ian × Holly
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Yes but to be fair the IanxHolly Scene was kind of just the aftermath of the really great Scene in the End of Chapter 7 whereas the LenaxHolly Scene was a complete and full sex scene which was heavily expected and definitely one of the Highlights of Chapter 8.

I love the Scenes with both but if we compare I think we should compare this to the IanxHolly Scene in Chapter 7.

 

[BlandChili]

So Lena × Holly got more votes than Ian × Holly

As much as I'd like to high-five the great collective of wlw of the world, I have a sneaking suspicion that this specific difference might be because the Holly/Ian scene in this chapter was, y'know, just a blowjob.

 

[Skylark21]

Yes but to be fair the IanxHolly Scene was kind of just the aftermath of the really great Scene in the End of Chapter 7 whereas the LenaxHolly Scene was a complete and full sex scene which was heavily expected and definitely one of the Highlights of Chapter 8.

I love the Scenes with both but if we compare I think we should compare this to the IanxHolly Scene in Chapter 7.

As much as I'd like to high-five the great collective of wlw of the world, I have a sneaking suspicion that this specific difference might be because the Holly/Ian scene in this chapter was, y'know, just a blowjob.

Agree, but if we were to compare Ian×Holly scene from ch 7 to Lena×Holly, I think result will still be the same but that's just my bias talking I guess.

 

[MyStupidPornAccount]

again people acting like its a vote for their favourite pair lmao

 

[Reasoon]

Agree, but if we were to compare Ian×Holly scene from ch 7 to Lena×Holly, I think result will still be the same but that's just my bias talking I guess.

Even if I like both Scenes and don't have a clear winner I think you are right with your guess. It would certainly be closer than now but I'm also sure that LenaxHolly would still get more Votes from the People out there.

 

[BlandChili]

Agree, but if we were to compare Ian×Holly scene from ch 7 to Lena×Holly, I think result will still be the same but that's just my bias talking I guess.

Well, my bias would agree with your bias then!

 

[MyStupidPornAccount]

Let's examine the v7 ian holly scene and the v8 lena holly scene shall we?

Ian Holly

• I can choose fore play
• I can choose the sex positions
• I can make Ian cum early or fuck her a long time before cumming (bad performance/good performance)

Lena Holly

• No choice of anything during the scene at all

Why on gods green earth you think people would vote for the lena scene as an example of how scenes should be going forward I have absolutely no idea, the only people voting for that like I have said are those that have just misunderstood the poll and are voting for their favourite pair because they think it will lead to more scenes with them, unless you massively preferred the posing colouring in the lena scene but then you will most likely agree with me that the scene could use some player input.

Im not bashing the lenaxholly route infact im arguing that it should recieve the same treatment as other scenes and allow player input which makes for a better scene. I'm just pissed that everyone and their mother here is treating this like a popularity contest and is just voting for the pair they want more scenes of.

 

[Tarmogo]

In regards to all the talk surrounding the poll results and Patreon, people need to understand that just because the Lena/Jeremy scene is winning doesn't mean that Eva is going to suddenly change the way she is writing the game and making scenes. She hasn't shown any indication of altering her plans based on these polls in the past, so I don't expect it to happen now. If anything, she likely just uses these polls as barometers to see how people are responding to the various paths so she knows if people are liking the direction she is taking the scenes in for each path. After all, Robert regularly gets shit on in these polls but she is still pushing through making content for him even though few people like him.

It really just seems like this all stems from people hating Jeremy, so they are getting up in arms because there are people who do like him (or more likely his dick lol). I don't like Jeremey either, but that doesn't mean I don't want Eva to make content with him in it for those that do like him. This game is all about choices after all, so there is nothing stopping you from avoiding him altogether.

 

[Tarmogo]

Why on gods green earth you think people would vote for the lena scene as an example of how scenes should be going forward I have absolutely no idea, the only people voting for that like I have said are those that have just misunderstood the poll and are voting for their favourite pair because they think it will lead to more scenes with them, unless you massively preferred the posing colouring in the lena scene but then you will most likely agree with me that the scene could use some player input.

Im not bashing the lenaxholly route infact im arguing that it should recieve the same treatment as other scenes and allow player input which makes for a better scene. I'm just pissed that everyone and their mother here is treating this like a popularity contest and is just voting for the pair they want more scenes of.

Bro, the poll was literally phrased as "What's your favourite sex scene" so whether you like it or not there is 100% going to be an element of it being a popularity contest. Nowhere in the question did it ask "Which scene is written the best?" or "Which scene has the best art?". It's literally "What is your favourite", so of course people are going to pick the character pairing(s) they like best.

 

[BlandChili]

Let's examine the v7 ian holly scene and the v8 lena holly scene shall we?

Ian Holly

• I can choose fore play
• I can choose the sex positions
• I can make Ian cum early or fuck her a long time before cumming (bad performance/good performance)

Lena Holly

• No choice of anything during the scene at all

I do agree that it would be nice with more control, especially because I like that scene in particular.

I don't think this should be a universal rule that applies to all scenarios though, and I am ok with Lena/Holly not being one too, for me it comes down to tone and scene composition.
(Arguably you do have a choice, it's just a choice of "to pick the threesome or Lena/Holly")
There can be good reasons why some sex scenes are more streamlined, but it would be great with more choices for the next Lena/Holly content. (I'm expecting there might be a choice to use sex toys or not for example).

 

[MyStupidPornAccount]

Bro, the poll was literally phrased as "What's your favourite sex scene" so whether you like it or not there is 100% going to be an element of it being a popularity contest. Nowhere in the question did it ask "Which scene is written the best?" or "Which scene has the best art?". It's literally "What is your favourite", so of course people are going to pick the character pairing(s) they like best.

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If you read the text there it's clear that its not supposed to be a popularity contest, its all about worrying that scenes are too similar or boring and garnering feedback to prevent this. The kicker is the why you enjoyed them part, eva is looking for peoples preferences on camera positioning and poses and art and player agency, both the visual/technical design of the scene. She clearly isnt looking to read someone go "I voted for Ian x Holly because they are my favourite pair "

 

[Zedire]

Just to make it clear - I don't hate Jeremy, I just don't care about him whatsoever, and that's something that I wish would change.

If we get more Jeremy content as a result of the poll, then so be it, but I hope Eva can at least establish the guy's personality a little more, so I can decide to feel some sort of way about him beyond 'could literally be any black guy'. Like, considering he used to be the biggest nerd all throughout school, how about giving him some nerd traits (like topics of conversation or secret hobbies) that come through when his guard is down or when he's drunk or alone with Ian - just for the sake of adding interest and some sort of relatability. Or have a moment where he accidentally proves how much smarter or 'mentally quick' he is then the other 'popular' people in the group, then sorta panics and backpedals when everyone (besides Ian) looks at him as if he's grown a second head. If you were as much of a nerd as he was meant to be, no way are you gonna shed every trace of those habits/interests/hobbies in a a few short years just because you started working out and fucking girls.

 

[MyStupidPornAccount]

I like Jeremy or rather I see potential that he could be a good character and have stated the same thing before that he should have a romance route and even a re nerdification route, he atleast seems to have a triple didgit iq unlike any of the black men in gggb so baby steps baby steps. I play and enjoy all routes and that scene has to be the worst sex scene in the game, the idea that lena being so tight that he can barely move in and out makes him cum so quickly is just bad mens anatomy as it should do the opposite if he can barely move. The whole thing plays like a scene as if we were playing as jeremy and failed a lust check, I think it's one of the few scenes were lena doesn't cum from sex. Hopefully what Tarmogo says is true and eva just uses the polls for data and doesn't let it really affect things too much because man that scene could use a revision.

 

[Tarmogo]

If you read the text there it's clear that its not supposed to be a popularity contest, its all about worrying that scenes are too similar or boring and garnering feedback to prevent this. The kicker is the why you enjoyed them part, eva is looking for peoples preferences on camera positioning and poses and art and player agency, both the visual/technical design of the scene. She clearly isnt looking to read someone go "I voted for Ian x Holly because they are my favourite pair "

I'm in agreeance that she isn't looking for the answers to just be a popularity contest, but when the only question the post puts forth is "What is your favourite scene" you are inherently going to get subjective answers from people based on their favorite pairing. If she wanted direct responses from people on "camera positioning and poses and art and player agency, both the visual/technical design of the scene" as you stated then that should have been outlined clearly in her post. Instead she asked for peoples favorite and then asked them to describe why in the comments, which people are doing. And as such the majority of the comments are people describing why they like the particular pairing in that scene rather than the technical aspects of it.

I completely agree with you that a more constructive conversation would be beneficial to help shape what actually makes a scene good or not from a technical perspective, but that isn't the results that this poll is going to get.

 

[BlandChili]

Just to make it clear - I don't hate Jeremy, I just don't care about him whatsoever, and that's something that I wish would change.

If we get more Jeremy content as a result of the poll, then so be it, but I hope Eva can at least establish the guy's personality a little more, so I can decide to feel some sort of way about him beyond 'could literally be any black guy'.

I feel like expanding Jeremy's role to be more broad in terms of characterisation and availability to Lena is almost too late at this point?
Like, the people that enjoy the BBC kink over anything else are probably already playing his route at this point, which arguably requires for Lena to become a pretty bad person, not just withholding his cheating but becoming Louise's "homewrecker" too.

Any additions would either have to mesh with these events, or be an entirely new Lena/Jeremy route exclusive to players who broke them up early. While I would personally find this option more interesting, I doubt it would go over well with the kink community that there'd be scenes unavailable depending on that kind of choice, so I don't think Eva would go that way.

I suppose there could be random romance added to the Jeremy route, but that sort of seems counter to the structure around it so far. Like, wouldn't it be kinda tacked on?

 

[MyStupidPornAccount]

I'm in agreeance that she isn't looking for the answers to just be a popularity contest, but when the only question the post puts forth is "What is your favourite scene" you are inherently going to get subjective answers from people based on their favorite pairing. If she wanted direct responses from people on "camera positioning and poses and art and player agency, both the visual/technical design of the scene" as you stated then that should have been outlined clearly in her post. Instead she asked for peoples favorite and then asked them to describe why in the comments, which people are doing. And as such the majority of the comments are people describing why they like the particular pairing in that scene rather than the technical aspects of it.

I completely agree with you that a more constructive conversation would be beneficial to help shape what actually makes a scene good or not from a technical perspective, but that isn't the results that this poll is going to get.

Yeah I agree and think eva really should have been clearer with the post, I don't believe it required any writing at all just a vote so I imagine the majority of the votes were not acompanied by any text. With that in mind the written feedback is probably going to be people giving constructive feedback so hopefully that stuff is focused on.

I feel like expanding Jeremy's role to be more broad in terms of characterisation and availability to Lena is almost too late at this point?
Like, the people that enjoy the BBC kink over anything else are probably already playing his route at this point, which arguably requires for Lena to become a pretty bad person, not just withholding his cheating but becoming Louise's "homewrecker" too.

Any additions would either have to mesh with these events, or be an entirely new Lena/Jeremy route exclusive to players who broke them up early. While I would personally find this option more interesting, I doubt it would go over well with the kink community that there'd be scenes unavailable depending on that kind of choice, so I don't think Eva would go that way.

I suppose there could be random romance added to the Jeremy route, but that sort of seems counter to the structure around it so far. Like, wouldn't it be kinda tacked on?

I mean there are cases irl of homewreckers falling in love and living happily ever after the person leaves their spouse. Lena already knows at that point that Jeremy doesn't care about Louise so in reality she is just speeding up an inevitable breakup since jeremy is just riding it out for sex ready to jump when she wants to be committed/finds out about his cheating

As for the other point there is no way people into bbc content would be mad about eva adding new bbc content that wouldn't be in the game otherwise, content exclusive to a new route is better than it not being added at all. Besides it would probably end up being the same scenes since a dating lena/ian have the same scenes as a hookup lena/ian dont they? well roughly, it's moreso the context around the scenes that change if my memory serves me right.