True, and both Cindy and Alison offer to explore forbidden taboos in relationships that are unwanted IRL, but tempting to try out in fiction. Why you dismiss this interest as "deplorable", "terrible", and "superficial" is beyond me. Don't kink shame and/or try to differentiate between reality and fiction?
Sure. And I agree that not all the top choices have the most merit when taken as a whole (though of course, it's also a sex game, not a lifetime partner choice). Just seemed like the post I was responding to was a little over-directed at the male portion of the vote participants, which I didn't think was totally fair. One look at the stats of how F rate men vs M rate women on sites like OkCupid could make that same statement for me and then some.
Forbidden taboos? The Cindy route is infidelity, that's not a taboo. If Cindy and Wade were in an open relationship then sure, there's probably an argument to be made that would classify as such but they're not, it's simple cheating. As for Alison, what on earth is considered taboo with her route? A threesome? Unless you have Ian already dating someone, then all participants are single and I fail to see why something as simple as this would constitute such a label. I obviously have no idea which route you took on your playthrough and perhaps there are elements to those characters stories that I haven't experienced but absolutely nothing I said constitutes 'kink shaming' or anything even remotely of that nature.
It's good to know that 4th-century North African Adamites post on this board, too.
Ok, you got me there, that was poor phrasing on my part. My intention was to convey that infidelity is just that, it is cheating on a partner, something that is considered 'wrong' to most folk and therefore wouldn't necessarily qualify as being taboo, which if I recall is considered more as something that's prohibited or restricted by social custom(s). Infidelity isn't prohibited or restricted as such, anyone is capable of doing so, it's a test of character whether they do so or not, which leads to a breakdown of trust between two (or possibly more) people. I just don't personally think it fits the label of 'taboo'.
But it is prohibited and restricted in many places/countries. Heck there are done murders on these things. This is not really "wrong" but a Taboo in many countries.
I agree. I love nerdy, shyly awkward characters too.
But how this story is going on, every character is evolving in some sense, and people do change with time, Holly clearly has those attributes of her from before the change and some added ones after the change too. Overall, it is player's choice how he is changing Holly but nonetheless Holly has those both parts in her now. And that is a good thing it is making her character more vibrant.
That's a fair point and one I won't argue, however, it is somewhat taking it out of context as the game is clearly set in a 'Westernised' setting, with those societal standards being 'the norm'. Also, I only even mentioned that in an effort to defend myself from someone falsely accusing me of 'kink shaming'.
Nah, "I still think about you" is marked with a heart and after that Ian refuses to go to the bar and is very pensive.
So if Ian is dating someone and he hits on her she says "oh", but if he's single she's more interested? I think in all options, if Ian says he has moved on she pushes to meet up for coffee.
It doesn't quite work this way. The "Oh." thing only happens if Ian is specifically in close relationship with Lena. For other Ians, both the ones who are in close relationship with another girl or just hooking up, it's some variant of "Oh/I see. Sounds good/nice." So i wouldn't really read too much into it.
The coffee thing hinges strictly (and only) on Ian telling Gillian he's made his peace. I imagine it makes sense simply because it's the only sort of Ian that'd make Gillian feel like he might be safe to talk with, without him suddenly pulling a psycho Axel.
Doubt she expects a full Axel out of Ian cuz I don't think Ian ever showed that kind of behaviour towards her, but I can definitely see her not wanting Ian to come for coffee expecting something.
That'd be my reading of it, yeah. "I see, sounds good (that you're moving on)" or something along these lines.
About it being counterintuitive, doesn't the game already have something like that with the Minerva route? You need to be antagonistic towards her and that gets you the route. To me the Gillian thing makes the same amount of sense. She isn't attracted (or is less attracted) to an Ian who is simping for her months after break up. The Ian who has moved on can be more desirable as he displays maturity and a lack of desperation. As for Ian who has moved on, him making moves on Gillian could be a result of him no longer holding her cheating against him and thus just seeing it as a hookup. There are other instances in the game where Ian can express disinterest in a girl and later sleep with them, namely Lena and Alison.
