Reasoon

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Okay I don't want to start a whole thing and forgive me for beating a possibly long-dead horse and or annoying people but can anyone tell me if the game is still worth it on a romance/non-NTR path? I've read a few posts here and there and I gather from there being two protags it's avoidable but I've also seen a few comments saying it makes the other paths not worth it and there are plenty a game with the same problem
Yes. You can still go on a romance path of one girl, either Lena or Holly. I haven't tried with Cindy or any other girl.
I think it's a sure thing that you can have serious romantic Relationships in this Game and in the End have some kind of "Endgame" Option for Ian and Lena.
In fact I think most of Ian's Options have the Potential to become really good "Love" Routes if you play it this way: Lena, Alison, Holly, Cindy (later in the game), Emma (still not sure because of Perry but totally possible) and maybe even Minerva can go in that direction with the Option of them being more nice to each other?!

For Lena I think it's a little bit more difficult at this Point. The only good "Love" Routes I see right now for her are Ian and Holly but it wouldn't suprise me if Jeremy, Axel, Mike, Louise and maybe even Ed and Stan could go this way in the future?! But please no Robert... :D
 

BlandChili

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What happened to all the people saying that fans shouldn't be able to influence Eva's writing and that her ideas should stay original? Some people now want to be able to get Ian-Lena-Holly without any effort or consideration for Holly's feelings.
I don't think anything happened to them, at least I see no contradictions in the statements "Eva should stick to her ideas" and "fans should have a voice" any good writer can implement their idea and listen to criticism, it's not actually that hard.

As I understand it, the problem with the Ian/Lena/Holly thing for most users isn't that people want their cake and eat it too, but rather that they think the recipe bakes the wrong cake - events transpire in a way that either seems non-sensical or isn't explained properly.
 

Turret

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I think it's a sure thing that you can have serious romantic Relationships in this Game and in the End have some kind of "Endgame" Option for Ian and Lena.
In fact I think most of Ian's Options have the Potential to become really good "Love" Routes if you play it this way: Lena, Alison, Holly, Cindy (later in the game), Emma (still not sure because of Perry but totally possible) and maybe even Minerva can go in that direction with the Option of them being more nice to each other?!

For Lena I think it's a little bit more difficult at this Point. The only good "Love" Routes I see right now for her are Ian and Holly but it wouldn't suprise me if Jeremy, Axel, Mike, Louise and maybe even Ed and Stan could go this way in the future?! But please no Robert... :D
If we are playing a good Ian, than the best love route options are Alison, Lena and Holly.
I do not get why so many players dislike Alison. It becomes clear during play that Alison had a crush on Ian for years. If Ian reacts favourably towards Alison all of the shenigans never happen (or only as much as the player wants) and I can see a very solid relationship of the two in the future. That is more than we can say of the bunch of cheaters.
Lena is the other MC, "nuff said".
Holly is the female Perry in tha game as far as the social ackwardness is concerned, but a nice girl elsewhere. She has a crush on Ian and is definitely a good girlfriend option.

The others like Cindy or Emma would be dick moves as far as friends are concerned.

I agree that for Lena the options ATM are a bit more limited. Ian and Holly, but I am sure that one or two others will become options later.
 

Cazzo_duro

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Hi, two questions:

  1. In the new Mike scene, Lena has only the option of letting him leave after sex. I assume there are other options for other paths, right? Which? And what are the conditions for them?
  2. In the scene at Ivy's house in the last chapter, the option "I'm willing to help" for sex training of Holly is disabled, although Lena is a slut and has lust 8. Is that normal or a bug? Is it really possibile to have a lust higher than 8 at that point? (IIRC, in the alpha version that option was active and I did all the same choices).
EDIT: I confirm that there is a BUG in the final version. Option "I am willing to help" for lesbian scene with Holly at Ivy's house should be active with lust 8 for Lena. In the alpha was that, and I think it's logical to be so.

Thanks
 
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Ramen-

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The new Emma scene feels rushed, it lacks the second "cumshot" and another render of Ian and Emma falling asleep. The way it is now it feels unfinished.
 
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boulimanus

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I never considered not going for Alison but given Emma has a new scene worth seeing I went and replayed from very early on. And her scenes are good indeed. The only girl with pubic hair?
Shame can't have her scenes and Alison as my LI in the same play.
 

BloodyMares

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Hi, two questions:

  1. In the new Mike scene, Lena has only the option of letting him leave after sex. I assume there are other options for other paths, right? Which? And what are the conditions for them?
  2. In the scene at Ivy's house in the last chapter, the option "I'm willing to help" for sex training of Holly is disabled, although Lena is a slut and has lust 8. Is that normal or a bug? Is it really possibile to have a lust higher than 8 at that point? (IIRC, in the alpha version that option was active and I did all the same choices).
EDIT: I confirm that there is a BUG in the final version. Option "I am willing to help" for lesbian scene with Holly at Ivy's house should be active with lust 8 for Lena. In the alpha was that, and I think it's logical to be so.

Thanks
Not everything is stat related. Some choices affect your possibilities. If you can't join Ivy and Holly, it means that:
1) Your Ian is dating Holly or
2) Your Lena is dating/hooking up with Ian.
These conditions prevent the choice.
 
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forthewins

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Just played chapter 8 for the first time. Really great episode, and it felt a lot more complete than the last one did.

Despite me seeing many things I couldn't do .... dammit. Though I also like the addition of showing the things you can't do. Really provides good incentive to go down those other paths.
 

dontcarewhateverno

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Making Ian appear in front of the error from the start would make it too obvious and would kill the joke. The player needs to experience a genuine "WTF" reaction.
I understand and knew it would eliminate a lot of the impact/surrealism when making the comment. But this also isn't a AAA title from a known developer so has less power to coast on + it's more amusing to people who've played the alphas/betas and have gotten accustomed to hitting "ignore" and "rollback" as real errors have popped up for all of us. We all thought it was an error the first time, hit ignore or rollback since we're used to the errors, then immediately figured out this was a surreal in-joke. Many users won't. Basically more trouble than it's worth IMO, assuming there ever is a steam release. And I think it'll still confuse a much greater % of its users than the Batman game bit.

As for that specific solution, I was just throwing out the first suggestion that came to mind. Many ways to handle it. Could be just the error screen as is now, but replace the "cannot access menu message" with another hint if the user tries to go there first, maybe a voice out of nowhere like "Saving? Loading? That's the power of god in a way, isn't it? I wouldn't mess with such forces while inebriated, Ian". Anything, really. Just throwing ideas off the top of my head. Point is, some more immediate hint is needed if the game moves beyond Patreon, for both practical reasons and with the power of hastily written reviews in mind. Gamers, especially porn gamers, aren't always the reflective sort. I think it's a great sequence, but maybe more appropriate as-is as sort of an easter-egg for those of us who've played through development.

Again, I personally think it's great and prefer it as-is, as far as personal enjoyment is concerned. Just thinking about the marketing/feedback "muh game iz broaks" headaches from a successful sales standpoint.
 
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forthewins

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For Lena I think it's a little bit more difficult at this Point. The only good "Love" Routes I see right now for her are Ian and Holly but it wouldn't suprise me if Jeremy, Axel, Mike, Louise and maybe even Ed and Stan could go this way in the future?! But please no Robert... :D
I feel like Stan lost his rights to a good route after he nearly walked into the room when Lena and Ian were having sex and jerked off right on top of them.

Honestly my biggest problem with Stan in that scene is how it's drawn. Lena had already peaked on Louise and Jeremy in my game, so it'd be hypocritical if I was judging him for discretely peaking. But with how it was drawn he had the door wide open, and was standing in the room with an incredibly stupid expression on his face and his dick out for everyone to see. It just killed any hope I had for that route being anything more than a corruption route for Lena.
 
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