VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[goodguy80]

I dont understand why people are so down on Seymour and call him the bad guy. He is definitely a good guy in this story.

He pays Lena very well, more than he has to, on the other hand Ed and Molly "the good people" pay her pennies like a sweatshop in China for backbreaking labor and later on make Perry work for free. Also Lena has to pose naked in their café.
Furthermore, for all the money Lena gets she can refuse some stuff on the job without being penalized for it and he lets her take some personal time without arguments when she got stuff with her mom.

He gave Lena a very generous gift as a bonus that no regular pleb could even dream of and probably worth more than a month salary and very rare.

He buys drinks for Ian and his friends at The Shine.

He supports local talent by going to music shows, art shows and taking scripts from upcoming writers despite being viciously assaulted by fat, vegan communists with hot coffee.
Also working closely and supporting a rising star of a photographer(Axel)

He supports local failed business who got ran down to the ground by incompetent owners by providing adequate offers.

He is being a dick to Robert

Dont call Emma like that. I know she is a bit unlikable for her believes, bus the has greatest ASS in the game and she loves anal. For that I can forgieve her many things. And btw hope to see Emma + Seymour action story when she hates him at first, but falling in love later (with lots of anal of course). Thats has good potential

 

[Vernalcash]

I dont understand why people are so down on Seymour and call him the bad guy. He is definitely a good guy in this story.

He pays Lena very well, more than he has to, on the other hand Ed and Molly "the good people" pay her pennies like a sweatshop in China for backbreaking labor and later on make Perry work for free. Also Lena has to pose naked in their café.
Furthermore, for all the money Lena gets she can refuse some stuff on the job without being penalized for it and he lets her take some personal time without arguments when she got stuff with her mom.

He gave Lena a very generous gift as a bonus that no regular pleb could even dream of and probably worth more than a month salary and very rare.

He buys drinks for Ian and his friends at The Shine.

He supports local talent by going to music shows, art shows and taking scripts from upcoming writers despite being viciously assaulted by fat, vegan communists with hot coffee.
Also working closely and supporting a rising star of a photographer(Axel)

He supports local failed business who got ran down to the ground by incompetent owners by providing adequate offers.

He is being a dick to Robert

Not this shit again.
We call him the bad guy cause he is the main antagonist of the story and because Eva called him the bad guy of the story.

 

[MF_DOOM]

Not this shit again.
We call him the bad guy cause he is the main antagonist of the story and because Eva called him the bad guy of the story.

Well, you and Eva are both wrong.

 

[fatpussy123]

Well, you and Eva are both wrong.

Can't tell if this is jokes or not, but nobody bringing up the time he blackmailed Lena and if she didn't play along he prevented her from working from the major modelling agencies.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

Dont call Emma like that. I know she is a bit unlikable for her believes, bus the has greatest ASS in the game and she loves anal. For that I can forgieve her many things. And btw hope to see Emma + Seymour action story when she hates him at first, but falling in love later (with lots of anal of course). Thats has good potential

I don't necessarily want her to fall for Seymour, but definitely down for Seymour having her dicked down. (Doubt he'd do it himself)

 

[goodguy80]

I don't necessarily want her to fall for Seymour, but definitely down for Seymour having her dicked down. (Doubt he'd do it himself)

Yeah, for sure. He as a wealthy man has some henchmen to do it for him. Even better - because Emma is the type of girl who can do 2 or 3 same time

 

[SerHawkes]

Can't tell if this is jokes or not, but nobody bringing up the time he blackmailed Lena and if she didn't play along he prevented her from working from the major modelling agencies.

It's gotta be a joke cause it's clear as day that Seymour is the villain. I mean what sane dude goes out of his way to blackmail, bar Lena from any sort of work, threaten a friend/boyfriend's passion of entering the contest, all just to have her become his possible sex slave? Yeah, THAT DOESN'T SCREAM WHOLESOME GUY folks.

 

[NormMcd]

Awesome game!

 

[evilkitty97]

Seymour is a bad guy?

I always thought he was just a classy, old businessman, pretty normal for anyone like him to do everything in their power to secure an asset like Lena.
But why did Seymour had to blackmail? Can anyone explain what the reason/s is/are?

And for Emma, I always ship her with Perry because they seem like theyre built for each other.
Call me racist/discriminative lol but Im already having a hard time between Cindy, Holly and Lena.
EvaKiss knows her slender beauties really well, truly glad for that

 

[SerHawkes]

Seymour is a bad guy?

I always thought he was just a classy, old businessman, pretty normal for anyone like him to do everything in their power to secure an asset like Lena.
But why did Seymour had to blackmail? Can anyone explain what the reason/s is/are?

And for Emma, I always ship her with Perry because they seem like theyre built for each other.
Call me racist/discriminative lol but Im already having a hard time between Cindy, Holly and Lena.
EvaKiss knows her slender beauties really well, truly glad for that

Because he wants completely control over Lena, and he is willing to use Ian as a potential pawn to have her under his thumb. Not to mention having possible jobs be taken away from her. That ain't classy, that screams egotistical control freak who is obsessed. Never a good sign.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Because he wants completely control over Lena, and he is willing to use Ian as a potential pawn to have her under his thumb. Not to mention having possible jobs be taken away from her. That ain't classy, that screams egotistical control freak who is obsessed. Never a good sign.

I don't understand that "Seymour is a classic businessman" thing either.
He is more like a typical oligarch corrupted by power and money.
He ruins the entire city business, monopolizing it and dictating conditions on the market, destroying competitors. And he does this with the consent of the corrupt authorities of the city, who are ready to turn a blind eye to this.
He is so drunk on power and money that he blackmails Lena and threatens to break her and Ian life if she refuses him, and sexual perversion is also visible in the fact that he wants to control Lena.
It is obvious that he is a very bad person and an antagonist.

 

[Turret]

Can't tell if this is jokes or not, but nobody bringing up the time he blackmailed Lena and if she didn't play along he prevented her from working from the major modelling agencies.

The thing is, there is not always blackmail involved. Especially if Lena and Seymour get off to a good start, he is far more a simp for her. And to be blunt, it is not nice, but today even the "blackmail" contract is not unusual in various businesses. Look e.g. into the music biz where adhesive contracts (and worse than the one Seymour gives out) are completely normal. That Seymour wants to bind the raw diamond he found in Lena is not unusual in business.
And unlike some real-life companies we could name, Seymour only takes the gloves off and resorts to blackmail if the Lena situation goes completely off the rails for him. Which does happen only under specific circumstances.

Face it, the Seymour as of chapter 10.3 is hardly a bad guy, just a shrewd business man, he is not half as rotten as the antagonists of GGGB.

 

[kolram]

it's gotta be a joke cause it's clear as day that Seymour is the villain. I mean what sane dude goes out of his way to blackmail, bar Lena from any sort of work, threaten a friend/boyfriend's passion of entering the contest, all just to have her become his possible sex slave? Yeah, THAT DOESN'T SCREAM WHOLESOME GUY folks.

Not to mention that all of Seymour's so called "generosity" towards Lena is simply pocket change.

 

[fatpussy123]

The thing is, there is not always blackmail involved. Especially if Lena and Seymour get off to a good start, he is far more a simp for her. And to be blunt, it is not nice, but today even the "blackmail" contract is not unusual in various businesses. Look e.g. into the music biz where adhesive contracts (and worse than the one Seymour gives out) are completely normal. That Seymour wants to bind the raw diamond he found in Lena is not unusual in business.
And unlike some real-life companies we could name, Seymour only takes the gloves off and resorts to blackmail if the Lena situation goes completely off the rails for him. Which does happen only under specific circumstances.

Face it, the Seymour as of chapter 10.3 is hardly a bad guy, just a shrewd business man, he is not half as rotten as the antagonists of GGGB.

Wow, so when the buisness man who prior to the meeting with Lena blacklisted her from her prior modelling agencies, doesn't need to resort to to outright blackmail doesn't blackmail Lena? How considerate of him.






For those who need a refresher on Seymour's blackmail. This is from a playthrough where Lena had good photoshoots with him, but refused the initial offer for the meeting. He had already blacklisted her. Meaning he always planned to blackmail her and only doesn't if Lena is agrees to meet with him.

 

[MF_DOOM]

Again, Seymour is not doing anything out of order.
"Blackballing" is a standard business practice, especially in the modeling/music industry.

People should stop virtue signaling and get back to reality.

 

[Turret]

Wow, so when the buisness man who prior to the meeting with Lena blacklisted her from her prior modelling agencies, doesn't need to resort to to outright blackmail doesn't blackmail Lena? How considerate of him.
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For those who need a refresher on Seymour's blackmail. This is from a playthrough where Lena had good photoshoots with him, but refused the initial offer for the meeting. He had already blacklisted her. Meaning he always planned to blackmail her and only doesn't if Lena is agrees to meet with him.

You fail in understanding that the various paths are differently outplaying realities. There are those where he blackmails Lena and there are those where he does not blackmail her. He has NOT always planned to blackmail her, because his preparations for the meeting are NOT always the same. He has stacked his cards if Lena and his relations are not good, but if their relations are well, there is no blackmail and neither was one prepared.

And I find your enacted exaspiration about the blackmail really cute! You have zero experience what a pool of sharks today´s business world is, it seems. What Seymour at his worst does is not in the least unusual, as sad as this situation is. He is not even bad in comparison to the methods of some very known real life companies!
I still remember the times when two business men in e.g. Hamburg or Stuttgart would shake hands to make a deal and kept to it, but unfortunately these times are over in most types of business.
Especially in music, show or modelling biz the contracts and the methods to get contracts are brutal and for newcomers often barely above slavery. Only once you are a known face the situation gets better.
As said, what Seymour does in ORS is not even in the "bad" category of what has happened in real life many times already.

 

[fatpussy123]

You fail in understanding that the various paths are differently outplaying realities. There are those where he blackmails Lena and there are those where he does not blackmail her. He has NOT always planned to blackmail her, because his preparations for the meeting are NOT always the same. He has stacked his cards if Lena and his relations are not good, but if their relations are well, there is no blackmail and neither was one prepared.

And I find your enacted exaspiration about the blackmail really cute! You have zero experience what a pool of sharks today´s business world is, it seems. What Seymour at his worst does is not in the least unusual, as sad as this situation is. He is not even bad in comparison to the methods of some very known real life companies!
I still remember the times when two business men in e.g. Hamburg or Stuttgart would shake hands to make a deal and kept to it, but unfortunately these times are over in most types of business.
Especially in music, show or modelling biz the contracts and the methods to get contracts are brutal and for newcomers often barely above slavery. Only once you are a known face the situation gets better.
As said, what Seymour does in ORS is not even in the "bad" category of what has happened in real life many times already.

This is not true, in ALL paths even the ones where Lena is completely simping for him he blacklists her before meeting with her. That means in ALL PATHS he intended to have have blackmail over Lena if she refused him.

 

[LoneVoyage]

Again, Seymour is not doing anything out of order.
"Blackballing" is a standard business practice, especially in the modeling/music industry.

People should stop virtue signaling and get back to reality.

True He is still a fuck up character.
Just because blackballing is still being done doesn't make it right.

You fail in understanding that the various paths are differently outplaying realities. There are those where he blackmails Lena and there are those where he does not blackmail her. He has NOT always planned to blackmail her, because his preparations for the meeting are NOT always the same. He has stacked his cards if Lena and his relations are not good, but if their relations are well, there is no blackmail and neither was one prepared.

No. If she refused his offer no matter what good relationship she has he is always blackmailing her. If you accept he offer but back down in the middle still he is blackmailing her.

 

[MF_DOOM]

This is ridiculous, it is not anything remotely like a "standard business practice." I have quite a bit of professional experience across a variety of industries and have a pretty extensive professional network.

Yes, there are scumbags in every industry, but these are the scumbags, not the "standard."

I dont care about your anecdotal "experience". What Seymour doing was done by people like Lyor Cohen, who was the president of Def Jam, Universal, Warner and now he is with YouTube and Spotify. Probably one of the most influential people in the music industry in the last 30 years.
I can give you at least 10 exemplars of musicians who went through this practice, as it's very common.

 

[LoneVoyage]

I dont care about your anecdotal "experience". What Seymour doing was done by people like Lyor Cohen, who was the president of Def Jam, Universal, Warner and now he is with YouTube and Spotify. Probably one of the most influential people in the music industry in the last 30 years.
I can give you at least 10 exemplars of musicians who went through this practice, as it's very common.

True. But sometimes they pay the consequences of their actions. Like Harvey weinstein for example.