VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[SerHawkes]

I "blame" Eva. Look at Lena's options.

Robert was a pathetic blackmailer.
Mike is a cheater.
Lena's ex is a stalker and a manipulative sociopath.
Seymour is a sociopath with more money.
Jeremy is pretty much a walking dildo.

I mean they are likely great options for some corruption route but romantic route is pretty much Holly and Ivy for Lena since i prefer Ian to have his own romance apart from Lena.


At least Jasmin was actually skilled in bed instead of "dildo boy" Jeremy.

Your not wrong. Romance wise, Lena has complete shit in choices other than Holly, Ivy, and Ian. Which is a testament on how much of a joke Eva is writing romance this time around. I mean really... Robert is forgettable from day one. Mike is just a dildo to cheat on. Axel is stalking shithead who can't take the fucking hint that it's over. Seymour just want to make her a sex slave. Jeremy is just a fetish kink. Then you have... Stan... Never mind that, you don't have Stan.

 

[Deathstar1200]

Guys, I noticed that Ian didn't recognize Mike when he saw him. I thought at first that he was Gillian's bf but I got impression as Ian knew personally the person Gillian cheated with. What do you think?

 

[Deathstar1200]

Your not wrong. Romance wise, Lena has complete shit in choices other than Holly, Ivy, and Ian. Which is a testament on how much of a joke Eva is writing romance this time around. I mean really... Robert is forgettable from day one. Mike is just a dildo to cheat on. Axel is stalking shithead who can't take the fucking hint that it's over. Seymour just want to make her a sex slave. Jeremy is just a fetish kink. Then you have... Stan... Never mind that, you don't have Stan.

I think Eva get too much shit than she deserves. Writing a story with two protagonists and infinite amount of choices would take a a lot of time to flesh out. Her best choice, for now, is to hire more writers to help her cause I think. Not sure about her patreon situation though.

 

[ffive]

Doubtful, since if she was, Ian would have had issues with meeting Billy at Ivy's Party.

IIRC Ian doesn't know who Gillian's boyfriend is. Billy is a very unlikely candidate, though -- Gillian's boyfriend moved to town a few months ago because he's found a job here, and that doesn't really fit Billy's circumstances.

edit: a fun fact, now that i thnk about it. When Chapter 10 was released, i thought the way the game avoided ever having Ian and Mike interact has gone to ridiculous level, with Jeremy (who is familiar with Mike, his coworker) for some reason choosing not to introduce him to Ian, his friend even though all three of them were in the same spot and shared the screen. But now, given Jeremy's reluctance to tell Ian about Gillian, his behavior regarding Mike would actually make certain sense, if Jeremy has learned recently that Mike is Gillian's new boyfriend, after seeing Gillian with him together at the club.

Guess we'll see.

 

[SerHawkes]

IIRC Ian doesn't know who Gillian's boyfriend is. Billy is a very unlikely candidate, though -- Gillian's boyfriend moved to town a few months ago because he's found a job here, and that doesn't really fit Billy's circumstances.

edit: a fun fact, now that i thnk about it. When Chapter 10 was released, i thought the way the game avoided ever having Ian and Mike interact has gone to ridiculous level, with Jeremy (who is familiar with Mike, his coworker) for some reason choosing not to introduce him to Ian, his friend even though all three of them were in the same spot and shared the screen. But now, given Jeremy's reluctance to tell Ian about Gillian, his behavior regarding Mike actually makes certain sense, if Jeremy has learned recently that Mike is Gillian's new boyfriend, after seeing Gillian with him together at the club.

Guess we'll see.

That would be one hell of a coincidence if true. Then again the whole running theory of Mike being Gillians boyfriend is possible, though I would say its 50/50 on either Mike or Spike, which I feel like would add far more intrigue and possible drama, specially on a Lena route.

 

[SerHawkes]

I think Eva get too much shit than she deserves. Writing a story with two protagonists and infinite amount of choices would take a a lot of time to flesh out. Her best choice, for now, is to hire more writers to help her cause I think. Not sure about her patreon situation though.

The biggest issue is that Eva bit off way more than she could chew with this project writing wise, as we already see issues with inconsistency with characters, the ever so her complaining about struggling with writing, not to mention her approach to characters.

While sure, hiring another writer or writers would certainly help lessen the demand on her, at the same time the question would remain on her vision for ORS and if she would be okay working with a writer who may have some of their own ideas.

If she wasn't open to that, then the next best idea I have would be her not to set dates for her releases and simply take her time writing out paths throughly and not rush herself to meet a deadline she sets on herself. If the update takes 5-6 months, then it takes that long. Sure, people would get ansty and want the release out sooner but at the same time, her taking her time might end in a best finished product and episode.

 

[Deathstar1200]

The biggest issue is that Eva bit off way more than she could chew with this project writing wise, as we already see issues with inconsistency with characters, the ever so her complaining about struggling with writing, not to mention her approach to characters.

While sure, hiring another writer or writers would certainly help lessen the demand on her, at the same time the question would remain on her vision for ORS and if she would be okay working with a writer who may have some of their own ideas.

If she wasn't open to that, then the next best idea I have would be her not to set dates for her releases and simply take her time writing out paths throughly and not rush herself to meet a deadline she sets on herself. If the update takes 5-6 months, then it takes that long. Sure, people would get ansty and want the release out sooner but at the same time, her taking her time might end in a best finished product and episode.

Yeah, that is the problem. No matter what Eva does, people would complain nonetheless.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Yeah the game's escope is quite big this time. Two protagonists and each having close to ten possible love interests. Personally the lack of non male corruption routes to Lena doesn't bother me much because i quite enjoy what she (Eva) is doing with the lesbian romances with Ivy and Holly.

 

[zoomzoomzoom]

I may be gaslighted by Ivy and Lena who are biased against her, but I wouldn't be surprised if Cherry turns out to be unreliable and still not hung over Axel.

Well at least she is aware of what her mistake is. If she cheats on Ian with Axel then she really belongs in Baluart. Lol

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

The scope of the project and branching is really a serious problem. There are so many different little things to consider in the game, each choice generates new development options, but all the time she need to take into account the branches in other options so they correspond to each other, as a result, the development options grow exponentially. Eva need to have a brilliant mind, a brain that works like a computer, to take into account all the small details. Eva experienced writer's block in developing this chapter, which doesn't contain a lot of major plot developments. This is a bad call.

 

[dolfe67]

the lack of non male corruption routes to Lena

Ivy is kinda corrupting Lena, and I think it'll ramp up in the following chapters. It's Ivy who gives the idea to Lena to open up a stalkfap and who encourages her to fuck around. If Lena slept with Ivy after her birthday party, she can't refuse to have sex with her in the gym showers.

 

[| Vee |]

IIRC Ian doesn't know who Gillian's boyfriend is. Billy is a very unlikely candidate, though -- Gillian's boyfriend moved to town a few months ago because he's found a job here, and that doesn't really fit Billy's circumstances.

edit: a fun fact, now that i thnk about it. When Chapter 10 was released, i thought the way the game avoided ever having Ian and Mike interact has gone to ridiculous level, with Jeremy (who is familiar with Mike, his coworker) for some reason choosing not to introduce him to Ian, his friend even though all three of them were in the same spot and shared the screen. But now, given Jeremy's reluctance to tell Ian about Gillian, his behavior regarding Mike would actually make certain sense, if Jeremy has learned recently that Mike is Gillian's new boyfriend, after seeing Gillian with him together at the club.

Guess we'll see.

BY the conversation Between Ian and Gillian, It is kind of leaning in direction that Ian knows that person. He may have just mention it for the context.

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[dontcarewhateverno]

The only thing that would win me over on the likely twist that Mike is the (in yet another unbelievable coincidence) boyfriend of Gillian is if there's an easter-egg where the game suddenly turns into an FPS if Lena's been fucking Mike too. Title changes to "Ian's Postal Shooting Spree". Satisfying + kitsch/campy enough that the Mike/Gillian connection would be tame by comparison.

 

[camube]

I have to say, I don't think Gillian's bf is Spike. In the context of the story, I think he'd be too young. Gillian is Ian's age and Ian is older than Lena. Lena is like, 22. So Spike would be even younger.

 

[Reaurt]

Depends if this was Eva aimed when she created him. Particularly, Axel and Seymour are the testament of Eva's great writing in this game for: both are haterful af (and i know this because i hate both so much), but also intriguing.
EDIT: I also put Ivy with them. How we can't wrap our minds if she is a total snake bitch or just a free spirit with her own and strong views really show how deeper and complex she can be.

Good thoughts.

Not sure I want to go out and try to dig up the relevant Patreon post, but if memory serves me, Robert was initially intended to be 1. An early sexual partner for Lena, much in the way that Cherry and Allison were for Ian, and 2. A deliberately sub-standard version of Ian, personality-wise. Ian starts out the game with more depth to him, with his writing focus, relationship woes, his aspirational struggles at work, and prior experience with art and music.

Robert as a character might have shifted over time, after those initial settings. Also, I'll speculate that it's probably easier and fun for Eva to write sexy scenes for Robert with Lena, because he's not very deep, whereas Ian brings more complexity to the table and writing Ian/Lena scenes might be comparatively more of an intellectual exercise.

 

[Reaurt]

Honestly, I hope that Gillian's paramour isn't Mike. It seems like a super obvious twist, since everyone is guessing at the possibility. Do the ORS cast live in a rural mountain town of 50 people where that sort of coincidence is plausible?

 

[WatsonJohn]

Not yet played the new update (actually haven't played since the revamp), have the next 3-4 days completely free & planning to go on a marathon run exploring all possibilities...Before I do, my two cents about Holly (based on what I've read on the thread)...

- Ian-Holly-Lena throuple will most likely occur & would be on the path where Ian-Lena are in love/relationship while also harboring feelings for Holly
- Holly & Mark scene on Ian-Holly love path is most likely a bug, as that would drastically contradict the character
- Mark as the option on holly corruption path seems an underwhelming choice, he's a minor character in ORS as well as GGGB, would have preferred a more fleshed out character like Dave or Jack or building on the interaction with Marcel (bouncer) would also have been interesting.

Is it possible that the whole Holly & Mark on Holly love path is deliberately made a bug by the author to mess and confuse players, which will be 'fixed' in the next update?

 

[| Vee |]

BloodyMares There is a bug Gillian is not in Ian's Agenda in Menu.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Honestly, I hope that Gillian's paramour isn't Mike. It seems like a super obvious twist, since everyone is guessing at the possibility. Do the ORS cast live in a rural mountain town of 50 people where that sort of coincidence is plausible?

That's what it feels like. But then you have the implausible situation where 20-somethings running in the same circles for at least half their lives in a town of several hundred inhabitants haven't already met each other up till now.

I used to joke "oh, hey. Do you know Greg?" when meeting some random stranger from a state I used to live in. In Ian-ville though, it seems like a natural question.

 

[camube]

Is it possible that the whole Holly & Mark on Holly love path is deliberately made a bug by the author to mess and confuse players, which will be 'fixed' in the next update?

possible, yes. Likely? most definitely not