VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

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BlandChili said:
Well, I don't think I'd ever see another couple, viewing them from afar, acting like Wade and Cindy do to each other and think they were anything but dysfunctional. You don't even have to put yourself in Cindy's shoes to understand her frustrations regarding Wade, but with a similar perspective to hers I'd just wonder why she was with a man who clearly has quite different ideas of life to her.
I forget, was it ever indicated if Wade was Cindy's first boyfriend?
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Wade was pretty chill and outgoing during his college days. Jeremy even acknowledged him on how he had that player mentality and the girls would be all over him.
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if ian_wits > 2
            c "Yeah... He wasn't like this at all when I met him."
            i "Well, he was always a bit like that, actually. Chill, taking things easy, never trying too hard..."
            c "Yeah, but I kind of liked that about him. He was cool, I guess. But he used to be more active."
            i "Something happened to him?"
            c "I wouldn't say so... I mean, I know he was not exactly thrilled with his last job, but it's been a whole year since they fired him!"
            c "And it doesn't look like he has any desire to get a new job..."
            i "Maybe he's depressed or something?"
            $ fcindy = "serious"
            c "What? No!"
            c "It's just that he's not interested in doing anything anymore! Just staying home, playing his video games, maybe going out with me once or twice a week..."
            c "It's pretty drab, to be honest!"
Cindy/Ian talk about Wade at the bar. This convo only happens if Ian has more than 2 wits.

No, it was never disclosed that Wade was Cindy's first BF.

yuvce said:
Breakups leave a stale taste in someone's mouth. When they started dating, she created this false belief that he's finally hers only for him to dump her for Lena. That changes her entire perspective of him. Whereas if Ian outright ignores her all throughout, no real damage has been done yet.
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Alison blurts out the L word way earlier in the game if she was fooling around with Ian. No wonder she grows cold towards him, talking about being an FWB and catching feelings. Where you implicitly told that you don't want a new relationship and keep things platonic. :KEK:
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Chapter 5
i "What's that? You're loving it, aren't you?"
    a "Yeah, I love it... I love having you inside me...!"
    a "I love you, Ian!"
    if alison_satisfaction > 3:
        a "I love you so much!"
 
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Picardo8 said:
Wade was pretty chill and outgoing during his college days. Jeremy even acknowledged him on how he had that player mentality and the girls would be all over him.
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I wasn't wondering why they got together, I can buy that Wade used to be a suave and charming rogue before settling down,my thoughts on the matter would remain the same though, non-understanding at their continued partnership.
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No, it was never disclosed that Wade was Cindy's first BF.
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Yeah I thought so, my thinking being that if he was her first that it could potentially contribute to her resistance at ending a clearly unhappy relationship. The first time breaking up is always the hardest, you feel like a failure.
 
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BlandChili said:
I wasn't wondering why they got together, I can buy that Wade used to be a suave and charming rogue before settling down,my thoughts on the matter would remain the same though, non-understanding at their continued partnership.

Yeah I thought so, my thinking being that if he was her first that it could potentially contribute to her resistance at ending a clearly unhappy relationship. The first time breaking up is always the hardest, you feel like a failure.
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Absolutely correct, first time breaking up is hard and cuts the deepest if it was a serious relationship and it makes you afraid to move on. They have been at it since Wade lost his job one year prior. Cindy went bold only when she got the modelling gig from Axel and validation from Ian to pursue her dreams and fortify her confidence. They would've broken up later slowly and mutually, but the modelling gig fast-tracked it quite a lot.
 
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Picardo8 said:
...Alison blurts out the L word way earlier in the game if she was fooling around with Ian. No wonder she grows cold towards him, talking about being an FWB and catching feelings. Where you implicitly told that you don't want a new relationship and keep things platonic. :KEK:
Python: 
Chapter 5
i "What's that? You're loving it, aren't you?"
    a "Yeah, I love it... I love having you inside me...!"
    a "I love you, Ian!"
    if alison_satisfaction > 3:
        a "I love you so much!"
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This is when they were having sex. So, this doesn't really count as expressing your love as your feeling are over the place when you are intimate(having sex) with someone as that all can be taken as just a spur of moment by the way of saying it too. But if you compare this to IanxLena sex scene than you can see when Lena blurted out "I love you Ian!" when she was having sex with Ian, that caught Ian off guard as he wasn't expecting that(I'm talking about the path if IanxLena are not couple) and she just straight up blurted those words.
 
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Picardo8 said:
Absolutely correct, first time breaking up is hard and cuts the deepest if it was a serious relationship and it makes you afraid to move on. They have been at it since Wade lost his job one year prior. Cindy went bold only when she got the modelling gig from Axel and validation from Ian to pursue her dreams and fortify her confidence. They would've broken up later slowly and mutually, but the modelling gig fast-tracked it quite a lot.
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Exactly, now she has something to look forward to, which she can view as purpose of life as she talks with Ian when they went to museum, now she feels that excitement which she was lacking and Wade is just pulling her back so she feels like it's her moment to shine in life and therefore kick Wade to the street after all, dude himself is sabotaging himself.
 
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This is when they were having sex. So, this doesn't really count as expressing your love as your feeling are over the place when you are intimate(having sex) with someone as that all can be taken as just a spur of moment by the way of saying it too. But if you compare this to IanxLena sex scene than you can see when Lena blurted out "I love you Ian!" when she was having sex with Ian, that caught Ian off guard as he wasn't expecting that(I'm talking about the path if IanxLena are not couple) and she just straight up blurted those words.
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We had a choice with Lena, Love and Lust (choke/slave) options. If you picked choke/slave it would negate the love option provided if Ian is not in love with Lena but Lena is in love with Ian. Lena loses some points from Ian if you choose the love option.

For Alison, she just needed satisfaction points to make it more clearer. Knowing her history with Milo we are sufficed to say they had a terrible relationship. Ummm, you don't say "I love you" so casually during that intimate moment, if you said it then you meant it one way or another. "I love you" is a literal boner killer if you are in a mutually casual relationship. She didn't say it once but twice. We all know that she's been crushing on Ian for some time.
 
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We had a choice with Lena, Love and Lust (choke/slave) options. If you picked choke/slave it would negate the love option provided if Ian is not in love with Lena but Lena is in love with Ian. Lena loses some points from Ian.

For Alison, she just needed satisfaction points. Knowing her history with Milo we are sufficed to say they had a terrible relationship. Ummm, you don't say "I love you" so casually during that intimate moment, if you said it then you meant it one way or another. "I love you" is a literal boner killer if you are in a mutually casual relationship. She didn't say it once but twice.
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Yes I know about choke option variants.

Now for Alison part it was encouraged by Ian that's why I also mentioned
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This is when they were having sex. So, this doesn't really count as expressing your love as your feeling are over the place when you are intimate(having sex) with someone as that all can be taken as just a spur of moment by the way of saying it too. But if you compare this to IanxLena sex scene than you can see when Lena blurted out "I love you Ian!" when she was having sex with Ian, that caught Ian off guard as he wasn't expecting that(I'm talking about the path if IanxLena are not couple) and she just straight up blurted those words.
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If you read dialogues carefully there is clearly a difference between how Ian behaves and encourages Alison by saying
Picardo8 said:
Python: 
Chapter 5
i "What's that? You're loving it, aren't you?"
    a "Yeah, I love it... I love having you inside me...!"
    a "I love you, Ian!"
    if alison_satisfaction > 3:
        a "I love you so much!"
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Now Alison saying I love you is disguised by how Ian behaved and encourages her to be vocal. That's why Ian didn't take it seriously and both didn't have any conversation about it afterwards.

While IanxLena was a different behavior. Ian didn't encouraged her or anything. Lena was the one who couldn't control her emotions and said it aloud.

There is difference between how both IanxAlison behave together during sex and how IanxLena behave together during sex.

Later IIRC Ian and Lena's dynamic is also somewhat like how Ian is with Alison but Lena avoid saying "I love you Ian!" specifically!
(I'm talking about how vocal IanxLena get with eachother later on).
 
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| Vee | said:
Yes I know about choke option variants.

Now for Alison part it was encouraged by Ian that's why I also mentioned


If you read dialogues carefully there is clearly a difference between how Ian behaves and encourages Alison by saying


Now Alison saying I love you is disguised by how Ian behaved and encourages her to be vocal. That's why Ian didn't take it seriously and both didn't have any conversation about it afterwards.

While IanxLena was a different behavior. Ian didn't encouraged her or anything. Lena was the one who couldn't control her emotions and said it aloud.

There is difference between how both IanxAlison behave together during sex and how IanxLena behave together during sex.

Later IIRC Ian and Lena's dynamic is also somewhat like how Ian is with Alison but Lena avoid saying "I love you Ian!" specifically!
(I'm talking about how they(IanxLena) vocal they get with eachother later on).
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The first part was encouraged.
i "What's that? You're loving it, aren't you?"
a "Yeah, I love it... I love having you inside me...!"

a "I love you, Ian!"
This was unwarranted. She couldn't keep her feelings in check. Followed by

a "I love you so much!"

Ian simply ignored Alison's words because he didn't care. Ian/Lena and Ian/Alison have a totally different dynamic. Even if he doesn't love Lena he still cares for her deeply; on the other hand, he just sees Alison as an outlet nothing more nothing less by default. Which will change according to our choices.

Like I said, you blurt it then you meant it one way or another. It seems we have come to an impasse. You see it as a burst of emotion during the intimate moment which means nothing after that moment. I see it as a lingering back thought that came out during the heat of the moment and it meant something.
 
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Picardo8 said:
The first part was encouraged.
i "What's that? You're loving it, aren't you?"
a "Yeah, I love it... I love having you inside me...!"

a "I love you, Ian!"
This was unwarranted. She couldn't keep her feelings in check. Followed by

a "I love you so much!"

Ian simply ignored Alison's words because he didn't care. Ian/Lena and Ian/Alison have a totally different dynamic. Even if he doesn't love Lena he still cares for her deeply; on the other hand, he just sees Alison as an outlet nothing more nothing less by default. Which will change according to our choices.
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The setup for Lena saying "I love you Ian!" and Alison "I love you Ian!" is completely different!

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...Like I said, you blurt it then you meant it one way or another. It seems we have come to an impasse. You see it as a burst of emotion during the intimate moment which means nothing after that moment. I see it as a lingering back thought that came out during the heat of the moment and it meant something.
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Fair enough!
 
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The setup for Lena saying "I love you Ian!" and Alison "I love you Ian!" is completely different!
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We get the setup for Lena because she's a playable character. Alison is an NPC with a default affinity to Ian and goes more hardcore depending on the values. She fell in love as soon as they slept together. You can see her getting jealous and even trivialising Lena with names and calling her a "model". There is also another instance if Ian goes to lunch with Alison at the cafe and she gets all passive-aggressive towards Lena. Alison had no right to get jealous and act all bitchy.
 
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Picardo8 said:
We get the setup for Lena because she's a playable character. Alison is an NPC with a default affinity to Ian and goes more hardcore depending on the values. She fell in love as soon as they slept together. You can see her getting jealous and even trivialising Lena with names and calling her a "model". There is also another instance if Ian goes to lunch with Alison at the cafe and she gets all passive-aggressive towards Lena. Alison had no right to get jealous and act all bitchy.
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That is women nature and of course she doesn't have right to behave that way as they are not in relationship, etc. but they do behave like this(Jealousy is part of Women Psyche). That's why I used the word disguised before when differentiating between how Alison behaved and How Lena behaved.
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...Now Alison saying I love you is disguised by how Ian behaved and encourages her to be vocal. That's why Ian didn't take it seriously and both didn't have any conversation about it afterwards...
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This is when they were having sex. So, this doesn't really count as expressing your love as your feeling are over the place when you are intimate(having sex) with someone as that all can be taken as just a spur of moment by the way of saying it too. But if you compare this to IanxLena sex scene than you can see when Lena blurted out "I love you Ian!" when she was having sex with Ian, that caught Ian off guard as he wasn't expecting that(I'm talking about the path if IanxLena are not couple) and she just straight up blurted those words.
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Picardo8 said:
We had a choice with Lena, Love and Lust (choke/slave) options. If you picked choke/slave it would negate the love option provided if Ian is not in love with Lena but Lena is in love with Ian. Lena loses some points from Ian if you choose the love option.

For Alison, she just needed satisfaction points to make it more clearer. Knowing her history with Milo we are sufficed to say they had a terrible relationship. Ummm, you don't say "I love you" so casually during that intimate moment, if you said it then you meant it one way or another. "I love you" is a literal boner killer if you are in a mutually casual relationship. She didn't say it once but twice. We all know that she's been crushing on Ian for some time.
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Cherry tells Ian on two different occasions (the bar in chapter 6 and Ian's place in chapter 8) that Alison sees him as more than just a hookup. Not something she would say if the "I love you" was just a spur of the moment. Cherry even suggested they'd make a good couple (yeah right), but Ian didn't get a chance to respond to her suggestion cause Lena showed up.
 
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yuvce said:
Cherry tells Ian on two different occasions (the bar in chapter 6 and Ian's place in chapter 8) that Alison sees him as more than just a hookup. Not something she would say if the "I love you" was just a spur of the moment. Cherry even suggested they'd make a good couple (yeah right), but Ian didn't get a chance to respond to her suggestion cause Lena showed up.
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You have to be on Alison path for this and in which chapter? I'm not on Alison path and shifted from Alison to Emma's path from the club scene between Alison and Emma.
 
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