VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Gicoo]

Just discovered this after finishing GGGB.

Quite pessimistic about the working progress. 2 years for 30-40%(?) bodes ill. If every further chapter just gets more complex and takes several month each, this can take several years and worst case won't be finished, considering burnout, reworking on already completed chapters etc. GGGB was straightforward and simple, ORS struggles juggling between 2 main characters (very few advantages and tons of disadvantages with this format), an even more complicated, probably needles skill and relationship system and too many side characters (having less, but more developed characters is better). There is a limit how many years a game needs developing. Larger games may get away with five years, this is still a fairly short game.

Overall, I have the impression that the developer is too overambigious with this and made too much of a leap from GGGB. The latter was a simple porn game primarily and offered character drama secondly. This game tries the reverse, but a porn game isn't the format for a story focused character driven drama, at least primarly.

 

[BloodyMares]

Lena cucking Ian with Axel and Seymour. Ian cucking Lena with Cindy or Holly. The scenes with Axel and Cindy are also hinting to ntr or are leading to ntr scenes. Same goes with Cherry and Holly (with Lena). Also arguably with Allison depending on whether you consider her a love interest in that specific path.

Most of the examples could be argued that NTR doesn't apply because it's the protagonist initiating the cheating. Have to agree about Alison though, her content does set up future NTR in Chapter 9 by stating that she'll hook up with Jeremy regardless of the player's intention (consequence for not being close enough) which passes the criteria of the love interest's affection being stolen.

 

[bleachedturtle]

If you're stealing Cindy away from Wade, then I guess that's NTR (Netori)

 

[scor099]

I don't know why some people think it's the end of the world when they see the tag "NTR" and act like it's the end of the world, it's just a fucking game just bust a nut or rub one out and enjoy.

of course I'm not singling anyone here but since we're talking about it I thought I'd say what I think and I'm just talking about the subject in general because that's what I see in every game that has an NTR tag.

 

[n3v3ra6AInn3v3ra6AIn]

Im still waiting for the corruption path where Lena will fuck everything that moves. Men, women and dogs.

I see you are a man of good taste.

 

[The_Searcher]

I don't know why some people think it's the end of the world when they see the tag "NTR" and act like it's the end of the world, it's just a fucking game just bust a nut or rub one out and enjoy.

of course I'm not singling anyone here but since we're talking about it I thought I'd say what I think and I'm just talking about the subject in general because that's what I see in every game that has an NTR tag.

And in the end, a NTR route will be player choice decision, right?

I mean, if you don't want NTR... Well, don't choose the options that go directly to that path.

 

[kaleh]

And in the end, a NTR route will be player choice decision, right?

I mean, if you don't want NTR... Well, don't choose the options that go directly to that path.

I mean, if you really want NTR... Well, fantasize it in your dream. Dont bother us.

 

[WatsonJohn]

Most of the examples could be argued that NTR doesn't apply because it's the protagonist initiating the cheating. Have to agree about Alison though, her content does set up future NTR in Chapter 9 by stating that she'll hook up with Jeremy regardless of the player's intention (consequence for not being close enough) which passes the criteria of the love interest's affection being stolen.

The cheating is still at the expense of the other protagonist though. Even though you control the other protagonist making that decision, let's say in this case Lena cucking Ian, Ian - a protagonist, still gets his love interest cheating on him. By changing perspective and controlling Ian, the point of view of the player still follows a protagonist being cucked by a love interest. Now that perspective may change again and we get to have Lena's point of view so when Lena cucks Ian it's only cheating. In other words given that this game has multiple protagonists, when we are in Lena's perspective, we are not experiencing ntr when she is cheating, but as we shift our pov and we get to see and control Ian, when Lena cheated on Ian, we get to experience ntr from a love interest cheating on the player-character, which in this case is Ian. I only used Ian getting cheated as an example. The roles could reverse and Lena could be the one getting cheated.

 

[fute8848]

The cheating is still at the expense of the other protagonist though. Even though you control the other protagonist making that decision, let's say in this case Lena cucking Ian, Ian - a protagonist, still gets his love interest cheating on him. By changing perspective and controlling Ian, the point of view of the player still follows a protagonist being cucked by a love interest. Now that perspective may change again and we get to have Lena's point of view so when Lena cucks Ian it's only cheating. In other words given that this game has multiple protagonists, when we are in Lena's perspective, we are not experiencing ntr when she is cheating, but as we shift our pov and we get to see and control Ian, when Lena cheated on Ian, we get to experience ntr from a love interest cheating on the player-character, which in this case is Ian. I only used Ian getting cheated as an example. The roles could reverse and Lena could be the one getting cheated.

i understand your point but I just wonder how do you define “NTR” , I know it’s more or less a anime word of cheating and cuckolding though, still confused about how the real life ntr works?? In real life people cheats on each others a lot but there are many kinds of cheating in real life

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

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Other than that, I just need to finish the last change I've been wanting to made: a new prologue to the game, since I've been feeling dissatisfied with the current start to the game for a while. I feel it's a bit bland and boring, and it could convey the game's mechanics in a better way. Once that's done and all the pieces are put together, it's revision and debugging time and then we can launch the polished version of ORS and keep moving forward with chapter 10!

"And as I fapped, I couldn't help but stop tugging for a second to note the quality of the set design." - Gene Shalit, marveling at Eva's rework of the Patreon original in a stellar steam review.

"A master stroke" - Richard 'hairy palms' Roeper.

 

[The_Searcher]

I mean, if you really want NTR... Well, fantasize it in your dream. Dont bother us.

I don't like NTR.

But I'm not gonna ask for censorship on a game or similar only because appear a theme/genre I don't agree.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Top Ten things discussed on F95
1) The dev is lazy
2) Is there NTR?
3) Why is there an NTR tag?
4) Why isn't there an NTR tag?
5) Can I avoid NTR?
6) How much NTR is there?
7) I hate NTR!!11!1!
8) Akshully, you don't understand what NTR is!
9) Save plz
10) When is the update?

 

[Overfoxed]

Top Ten things discussed on F95
1) The dev is lazy
2) Is there NTR?
3) Why is there an NTR tag?
4) Why isn't there an NTR tag?
5) Can I avoid NTR?
6) How much NTR is there?
7) I hate NTR!!11!1!
8) Akshully, you don't understand what NTR is!
9) Save plz
10) When is the update?

When you're right, you're right.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

Top Ten things discussed on F95
1) The dev is lazy
2) Is there NTR?
3) Why is there an NTR tag?
4) Why isn't there an NTR tag?
5) Can I avoid NTR?
6) How much NTR is there?
7) I hate NTR!!11!1!
8) Akshully, you don't understand what NTR is!
9) Save plz
10) When is the update?

11) "Actually, it’s the developer who should be thankful to me for pirating their game"

 

[TotalDegenerate]

11) "Actually, it’s the developer who should be thankful to me for pirating their game"

12) "My opinion is relevant, even though I dont support the developer. Because is COULD be a patreon"

I mean, if you really want NTR... Well, fantasize it in your dream. Dont bother us.

Really I dont get this shit. This game obviously has NTR. So if u dont want ntr just dont bother the people playing this game and fantasize about whatever you go off on.
Like i know people really love to frame NTR fags as people who want to push their fetish into every game but actually I dont think i've ever seen that. Quite the opposite. Its the haters who go to every game containing NTR to stirr up shit. I for example think Mother incest and Scat are fucking disgusting. Yet i would never go in a thread of a game with these fetishes and say that shit shouldnt be in the game. Why not simply stick to the games which cater to your fetish instead of shitting in threads of games which contain NTR?

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

Really I dont get this shit. This game obviously has NTR. So if u dont want ntr just dont bother the people playing this game and fantasize about whatever you go off on.
Like i know people really love to frame NTR fags as people who want to push their fetish into every game but actually I dont think i've ever seen that. Quite the opposite. Its the haters who go to every game containing NTR to stirr up shit. I for example think Mother incest and Scat are fucking disgusting. Yet i would never go in a thread of a game with these fetishes and say that shit shouldnt be in the game. Why not simply stick to the games which cater to your fetish instead of shitting in threads of games which contain NTR?

The hangup on NTR also feels so mechanical. No NTR equals good, NTR equals very, very bad. And we have to come to a conclusion on whether there are NTR or not! It's a very specific label and always leads to discussions (see SolomonGrundy's point number 8), but it's just a label used to describe the content. The content exists as it is no matter how you label it. In ORS we can't control everything, and most choices lead to some positive and some negative consequences for the protagonists. It would be very boring if no cheating is possible between Ian and Lena after they enter a relationship in chapter 9, and the Ian/Jeremy photo sharing stuff (and I'm sure that will escalate soon) can be done either as a "bro" thing between them, with Ian more as a voyeuristic loser (and I'm not sure how far it's possible to push that route — e.g. nothing will happen between Jeremy and Emma if Ian hasn't already had sex with her), or you can just tell Jeremy to keep away from his girls, and that will more or less close off his content with others.

 

[kaleh]

12) "My opinion is relevant, even though I dont support the developer. Because is COULD be a patreon"


Really I dont get this shit. This game obviously has NTR. So if u dont want ntr just dont bother the people playing this game and fantasize about whatever you go off on.
Like i know people really love to frame NTR fags as people who want to push their fetish into every game but actually I dont think i've ever seen that. Quite the opposite. Its the haters who go to every game containing NTR to stirr up shit. I for example think Mother incest and Scat are fucking disgusting. Yet i would never go in a thread of a game with these fetishes and say that shit shouldnt be in the game. Why not simply stick to the games which cater to your fetish instead of shitting in threads of games which contain NTR?

bro this game has not ntr. there is difference between choosing consequences and ntr

 

[fatpussy123]

bro this game has not ntr. there is difference between choosing consequences and ntr

Refer to "things discussed on f95" number 8

 

[Mr_Ainz]

Half of the comments I ever write I never post, not only in this forum. I'm always thinking "why would anyone care?" "what is this going to contribute?" and still there are some people that go and post the most asnine comments.
What is commenting that you don't like X fetish going to accomplish my man? I'm not saying they shouldn't post what they want, everyone is free to speak their minds, but it still feels like the most it's going to do is start another meaningless discussion.

Mad respect to the mods that have to go through all those comments, I don't see myself staying sane doing what they do

 

[Deleted member 398727]

I mean, if you really want NTR... Well, fantasize it in your dream. Dont bother us.

I am going to bother you, and you are going to respect my kinks like a good boy.

I am so sick and tired of so-called masculine manly boys who are in fact bunch of sensitive snowflakes who need the "tHiS GamE hAS NtR bAsEd oN ChOiCeS, DiSaBLe iT aNYWaY?" label in every goddamn game with even a slight touch of a female character showing interest to someone else besides the MC. As far as I know no other kink has this sort of widely accepted kink-shaming practice.

This is a game. You make unwanted choices, you have unwanted outcomes. I don't personally like harem games, but I don't guilt trip random developers because they added harem-like features into their game. Instead I don't play those games, or I don't make choices in those games that would lead to harem content. Why can't you do the same? What makes you so different and privileged? Yikes.