VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Mr. Muscles]

I can only imagine the amount of writing and structuring Eva alone has to deal with. I can see her getting exhausted over the project. It's one ambitions project, but also quite dense.

 

[XXXVAA]

I can only imagine the amount of writing and structuring Eva alone has to deal with. I can see her getting exhausted over the project. It's one ambitions project, but also quite dense.

it's a porn game, how hard can the plot be? i would argue that the hardest parts are programing and the art. you guys act like Eva is the next edgar allan poe or something.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

it's a porn game, how hard can the plot be? i would argue that the hardest parts are programing and the art. you guys act like Eva is the next edgar allan poe or something.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Our Red String. The writing is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the nuances in dialogue will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Ian's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these characters, to realise that it's not just a porn game- it says something deep about LIFE.

As a consequence people who dislike Our Red String truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Perry's existential stuttering, which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as EvaKiss' genius wit unfolds itself on their computer monitors. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a ORS banner. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid

 

[walker188]

Well, summing up all 1357 pages in one hot shit take: I sure do hope Eva never goes for a 2 protagonists game again. Cause let's be honest, she DID write herself into a corner, and if there ever is a "chapter 11" it will be exponentially worse than chapter 10.

The issue with multiple protagonists who can make equal levels of decisions, is that it essentially puts the reader/player into two characters. I'm not just Ian OR Lena. I'm both. Which makes me have just about zero interest in pairing one up with the other.

Two protagonists can work, but one must clearly make choices, the other would simply be a POV character.

 

[qazxsw80]

I can only imagine the amount of writing and structuring Eva alone has to deal with. I can see her getting exhausted over the project. It's one ambitions project, but also quite dense.

What people don't realize is that even if those die-hard fans are right and Eva Kiss is indeed working hard on ORS (which in my opinion is preposterous), it is even worse for the destiny of the game.
If it is indeed much more difficult to make the next chapter compared to the last and that difficulty is really growing exponentially, basically it means that the game is never going to be completed and probably will be abandoned sooner or later.
Let's say that now it takes 8 months to make a chapter. It is safe to say then that Eva Kiss will need a couple of years to make, let's say, Chapter 12 and probably 5 years for Chapter 13 and so on.
The time between chapters of ORS:

In any case the future of ORS is bleak. The game is never going to be finished either because Eva Kiss has become lazy or because it has become too complex to develop.

 

[Petro28]

This upcoming update is like a mountain looming before you as you walk towards it. It is getting bigger but doesn't seem getting any closer.

 

[giyaj88259]

What people don't realize is that even if those die-hard fans are right and Eva Kiss is indeed working hard on ORS (which in my opinion is preposterous), it is even worse for the destiny of the game.
If it is indeed much more difficult to make the next chapter compared to the last and that difficulty is really growing exponentially, basically it means that the game is never going to be completed and probably will be abandoned sooner or later.
Let's say that now it takes 8 months to make a chapter. It is safe to say then that Eva Kiss will need a couple of years to make, let's say, Chapter 12 and probably 5 years for Chapter 13 and so on.
The time between chapters of ORS:
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In any case the future of ORS is bleak. The game is never going to be finished either because Eva Kiss has become lazy or because it has become too complex to develop.

Your graph is wrong, either time and results need to be swapped or you want a log line.

 

[Mrorome]

What people don't realize is that even if those die-hard fans are right and Eva Kiss is indeed working hard on ORS (which in my opinion is preposterous), it is even worse for the destiny of the game.
If it is indeed much more difficult to make the next chapter compared to the last and that difficulty is really growing exponentially, basically it means that the game is never going to be completed and probably will be abandoned sooner or later.
Let's say that now it takes 8 months to make a chapter. It is safe to say then that Eva Kiss will need a couple of years to make, let's say, Chapter 12 and probably 5 years for Chapter 13 and so on.
The time between chapters of ORS:
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In any case the future of ORS is bleak. The game is never going to be finished either because Eva Kiss has become lazy or because it has become too complex to develop.

What can go wrong if I put in two protagonists and let them build a fully intertwined and interdependent net of relations that keeps getting more complex on a logarhytmical scale

 

[dolfe67]

Well, summing up all 1357 pages in one hot shit take: I sure do hope Eva never goes for a 2 protagonists game again. Cause let's be honest, she DID write herself into a corner, and if there ever is a "chapter 11" it will be exponentially worse than chapter 10.

Well since ORS has quite a few years before being completed, don't bother thinking so soon about a next game.

it's a porn game, how hard can the plot be? i would argue that the hardest parts are programing and the art. you guys act like Eva is the next edgar allan poe or something.

Don't confuse simple plot with easy writing, you're condescending towards "porn" game. It's not a basic novel (kinetic) where you can change nothing but more like dozens of novels (branching) at the same time.

 

[Mr. Muscles]

it's a porn game, how hard can the plot be? i would argue that the hardest parts are programing and the art. you guys act like Eva is the next edgar allan poe or something.

I mean, I will put more effort than you did to your reading comprehension, but the number of variables she comes up in each episode certainly affects the pace of her writing. That's what I said. I have no idea how you fumbled it so hard.

 

[Mr. Muscles]

What people don't realize is that even if those die-hard fans are right and Eva Kiss is indeed working hard on ORS (which in my opinion is preposterous), it is even worse for the destiny of the game.
If it is indeed much more difficult to make the next chapter compared to the last and that difficulty is really growing exponentially, basically it means that the game is never going to be completed and probably will be abandoned sooner or later.
Let's say that now it takes 8 months to make a chapter. It is safe to say then that Eva Kiss will need a couple of years to make, let's say, Chapter 12 and probably 5 years for Chapter 13 and so on.
The time between chapters of ORS:
View attachment 2124402
In any case the future of ORS is bleak. The game is never going to be finished either because Eva Kiss has become lazy or because it has become too complex to develop.

I honestly have no clue of what's going to happen, but I do know it can be a lot to deal with, as I mentioned in my first post. You either streamline the script and variables, or keep adding and dealing to what came before as she seems to be doing. Either way, I wouldn't want to be alone tackling something like this.

Don't confuse simple plot with easy writing, you're condescending towards "porn" game. It's not a basic novel (kinetic) where you can change nothing but more like dozens of novels (branching) at the same time.

Yup, dude had an aneurysm over nothing.

 

[Rome5555555]

Lena: "Big, tempting cock doesn't care about your feelings"

The people who wrote the lyrics to the game did a good job. Great game!

 

[Sorrow85]

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This week I've been writing and creating some new illustrations. I'd say Lena's part is around 70% done and this chapter has already surpassed the lengthiest one yet, Chapter 7, which had 22k+ lines of code. Chapter 10 will probably reach the 30k mark, but we'll see. I can see the end getting near and it's helping me stay focused and productive.

As always I can't talk much without spoiling things, but I can share with you the outfit remakes I talked about in my last post.




First of all, I want to make clear that the Athletics outfit is not meant to be worn at the gym, it's supposed to act as a casual/party outfit inspired by gymwear aesthetics. I had the feeling it didn't had that vibe before, and I wasn't using it for clubbing scenes. I tried several color combinations to go with the repurposed top. The hoodie will still be used in casual or colder contexts, so I'm not doing away with it completely, but it won't feature as prominently.

I'm currently leaning towards D, but let me know which one you think is cooler in the poll down below. Or you can also suggest a different color I haven't tried (edits are welcomed, you can send them to me through Discord)

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[JohnnyKiss]

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This week I've been writing and creating some new illustrations. I'd say Lena's part is around 70% done and this chapter has already surpassed the lengthiest one yet, Chapter 7, which had 22k+ lines of code. Chapter 10 will probably reach the 30k mark, but we'll see. I can see the end getting near and it's helping me stay focused and productive.

As always I can't talk much without spoiling things, but I can share with you the outfit remakes I talked about in my last post.

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First of all, I want to make clear that the Athletics outfit is not meant to be worn at the gym, it's supposed to act as a casual/party outfit inspired by gymwear aesthetics. I had the feeling it didn't had that vibe before, and I wasn't using it for clubbing scenes. I tried several color combinations to go with the repurposed top. The hoodie will still be used in casual or colder contexts, so I'm not doing away with it completely, but it won't feature as prominently.

I'm currently leaning towards D, but let me know which one you think is cooler in the poll down below. Or you can also suggest a different color I haven't tried (edits are welcomed, you can send them to me through Discord)

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Okay so Lena's part is 2/3rd done, meaning we can expect Chapter 10 in December and luckily not in January like I feared.

I'm gonna guess December 15th.

 

[aqq88]

Okay so Lena's part is 2/3rd done, meaning we can expect Chapter 10 in December and luckily not in January like I feared.

I'm gonna guess December 15th.

Imagine we get the update around 25th of NNN XD

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

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This week I've been writing and creating some new illustrations. I'd say Lena's part is around 70% done and this chapter has already surpassed the lengthiest one yet, Chapter 7, which had 22k+ lines of code. Chapter 10 will probably reach the 30k mark, but we'll see. I can see the end getting near and it's helping me stay focused and productive.

As always I can't talk much without spoiling things, but I can share with you the outfit remakes I talked about in my last post.

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First of all, I want to make clear that the Athletics outfit is not meant to be worn at the gym, it's supposed to act as a casual/party outfit inspired by gymwear aesthetics. I had the feeling it didn't had that vibe before, and I wasn't using it for clubbing scenes. I tried several color combinations to go with the repurposed top. The hoodie will still be used in casual or colder contexts, so I'm not doing away with it completely, but it won't feature as prominently.

I'm currently leaning towards D, but let me know which one you think is cooler in the poll down below. Or you can also suggest a different color I haven't tried (edits are welcomed, you can send them to me through Discord)

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22k lines of code, 30k expected
Looks like we can forget about November and get ready for the Christmas present. But I am glad that the weekly reports have really become weekly, and not two or three weeks.

 

[Gicoo]

Assuming
1. the game won't be abandoned,
2. is still expected to be 20 chapters long,
3. chapter 10 to 20 have the same size (and not expending even further with every new chapter) and
4. no change in work pace,

we can expect 5-10 years further development, so the game is completed around 2027 to 2032. Optimistically a chapter doesn't take half/ a full year any more and the work is distributed, so it may take less years.

With the minimum patreon of 2$ (not including taxes) per month, this could be 120-240$ in total for a videogame onwards. Much more for higher patreon levels and not counting the money already spent until now.

The conclusion is that patreons 1. don't mind paying for years for a single game and 2. they pay way above what a videogame usually costs. Or a good amount of them are not aware of it and/or don't bother too much what happens with their monthly 2-5$.

I have no issues with the producer, it baffles me how low standards their customers have. When Eva asked if they should stop patreon until a new update is released, 80% refused and wanted to keep paying. There isn't a high concern noticable, if anything, Evas comments of her breaks and vacations are cheerished and encouraged.


I was on patreon and the discord for a while, but left because of the high amount of toxic positivity. Eva isn't regarded as a producer who provides us a service we pay for, but some glorified cool older sister that we connect with on a personal level and who we want to encourage and be part of her life throughout the games working process. This thread has its own chunk of toxicity and immaturity, but at least is more open to criticism.

 

[IkarusWestwood]

I have no issues with the producer, it baffles me how low standards their customers have.

This isn't about Eva's patrons, it's about all patrons. Take DrPinkCake's Patreon as an example, DPC has been doing Chapter 9 of Being a DIK for 7 and half months and clearly he has no intention of making episodes shorter. The Patreon system counts that the creator has fans and those fans give money to them regardless of how long the new "product" came out. Eva lost some patrons just because she wasted time remastering the game, but if the remaster didn't exist and the time to make this episode was the same she would have fewer complaints here.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Assuming
1. the game won't be abandoned,
2. is still expected to be 20 chapters long,
3. chapter 10 to 20 have the same size (and not expending even further with every new chapter) and
4. no change in work pace,

we can expect 5-10 years further development, so the game is completed around 2027 to 2032. Optimistically a chapter doesn't take half/ a full year any more and the work is distributed, so it may take less years.

With the minimum patreon of 2$ (not including taxes) per month, this could be 120-240$ in total for a videogame onwards. Much more for higher patreon levels and not counting the money already spent until now.

The conclusion is that patreons 1. don't mind paying for years for a single game and 2. they pay way above what a videogame usually costs. Or a good amount of them are not aware of it and/or don't bother too much what happens with their monthly 2-5$.

I have no issues with the producer, it baffles me how low standards their customers have. When Eva asked if they should stop patreon until a new update is released, 80% refused and wanted to keep paying. There isn't a high concern noticable, if anything, Evas comments of her breaks and vacations are cheerished and encouraged.


I was on patreon and the discord for a while, but left because of the high amount of toxic positivity. Eva isn't regarded as a producer who provides us a service we pay for, but some glorified cool older sister that we connect with on a personal level and who we want to encourage and be part of her life throughout the games working process. This thread has its own chunk of toxicity and immaturity, but at least is more open to criticism.

People get mad at you here if you just point out how long the Chapter 10 has been in the work.

 

[GrigoriRasputin]

Assuming
1. the game won't be abandoned,
2. is still expected to be 20 chapters long,
3. chapter 10 to 20 have the same size (and not expending even further with every new chapter) and
4. no change in work pace,

we can expect 5-10 years further development, so the game is completed around 2027 to 2032. Optimistically a chapter doesn't take half/ a full year any more and the work is distributed, so it may take less years.

With the minimum patreon of 2$ (not including taxes) per month, this could be 120-240$ in total for a videogame onwards. Much more for higher patreon levels and not counting the money already spent until now.

The conclusion is that patreons 1. don't mind paying for years for a single game and 2. they pay way above what a videogame usually costs. Or a good amount of them are not aware of it and/or don't bother too much what happens with their monthly 2-5$.

I have no issues with the producer, it baffles me how low standards their customers have. When Eva asked if they should stop patreon until a new update is released, 80% refused and wanted to keep paying. There isn't a high concern noticable, if anything, Evas comments of her breaks and vacations are cheerished and encouraged.


I was on patreon and the discord for a while, but left because of the high amount of toxic positivity. Eva isn't regarded as a producer who provides us a service we pay for, but some glorified cool older sister that we connect with on a personal level and who we want to encourage and be part of her life throughout the games working process. This thread has its own chunk of toxicity and immaturity, but at least is more open to criticism.

This is not a correct standard to apply. If you just want to buy the game, you only need to pay once for the current version. A long-term subscription is meant for supporting the development, not purchasing a product. (With the addition of some optional rewards such as voting in polls).

Most adult games are one-man operations or maybe a small team at most. They don't have the backing of a larger corporation to take the losses if the game doesn't sell well, it would be coming out of their own pocket. And if they quit their job in the interim, they need income to support themselves.

There is high demand for these games, but relatively little supply (especially when one considers various subgenres and niches). So people are willing to actively fund them through Patreon, as many developers would not be able to work on them otherwise.

If you don't like it, just wait for the Steam version. Then it is a simple and fair exchange, $ for game. But the two should not be confused.