VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Doppelgang]

I don't think she 'accepted that it takes the time it takes', she seems to feel guilty about taking so long. She wanted to pause her Patreon from February onward and she wanted to release Ian's part early. Just read her post from Jan 29. Unfortunately it only has gotten worse.

Ok, "accepted" is too strong a word. But she did take the time to do the rework, including fixing much more than she had originally planned. And from the sound of it she's also taken the time to add a lot of smaller outfit and art customizations in chapter 10, giving even more layers to every scene, adding several new characters—and stressed slightly less about the long development times in the weekly updates, even though she suggested releasing Ian's part early. So if not "accepted", then at least "reluctantly admitted that it takes longer time than hoped", and in the extension of that—and this is the speculation part— decided that she might as well add Ed's part now instead of later.

Nothing was removed. But after the first 2 chapters nothing happens any more. He walked in on her once, posted on her peoplegram once and then was a perfectly boring gentleman for the last 2 months!

Ooops, my bad. I thought the Peoplegram detail was removed in the remake, so I took your "completely gone from the game" as "removed in the remake".

Well, yes. Maybe she had planned for a real path and had the background lying around for 2 years and now decided to finally use it?

It could be. That was the case with the Axel and Seymour backgrounds, but they were also posted a long ago by the studio that made them. My impression is that the rest of the backgrounds from the later chapters were made before the episode they were added to. So while we don't know, I think it's more likely that it was made for this chapter.

I mean what could actually happen? He telling her for the umpteenth time how beautiful she is and then? All I can think of is Lena getting aroused by his admiration. Which is already Stan's path.

Yeah, I agree on this, it would be similar to Stan's part. And if she ended up posing for him to draw her in private as well, and it's how she's being desired or admired that acts as the key to kickstart the path, it would not only be similar to Stan's path, but several others.

Also I'm struggling to see Molly's part in all of this. Ed's someone Lena isn't expected to be attracted to, and someone she shouldn't let watch her undress or somehow get further involved with. So if Molly for some reason would support it, I think it takes away some of the tension. But with how sweet Molly is and how gentleman-like Ed is most of the time, I can't really see Lena and Ed starting something behind Molly's back either. Though Eva must have had some idea of how to do it from the beginning. It would've been easier if Ed was slightly more like GGGB Arthur, and that might also have been the original plan.

Maybe the parents who are very proud of their child? Especially if they have high expectations ("Look at them, they're so special!"). For some reason I think if Ian was the son his parents were proud of, they might have his picture or even painting hanging on the wall, much to his discomfort and embarrassment.

Yeah, I don't think it's weird to have a painting or a drawing of a loved one in ones living room. Though the one instance I can think of where there's an extra motivation for having a painting/drawing instead of a photo, would be Ed and Molly. I went back and checked it, and before and after the life drawing event both Ed and Molly talk about how he used to draw (as you probably also remember). Molly even says that his artistic side was one of the things that made her fall in love with him, and: "I remember when I was the girl you used to draw". So: An old drawing Ed made of Molly when they were young and had just gotten together, and which means a lot to them and therefore still hangs on their wall? It's guesswork, but I think it makes sense.

 

[ArcherHades46]

Gentlemen, are there any saves? Not preserved, interrupted the computer.

 

[dundun]

Maybe the parents who are very proud of their child? Especially if they have high expectations ("Look at them, they're so special!").

And why would these parents paint their child in a sleeveless dress? With her chin propped up? Sorry, to me it looks more like how an artist would paint his girlfriend/wife.

Ok, "accepted" is too strong a word. But she did take the time to do the rework, including fixing much more than she had originally planned.

But she didn't plan to. She wrote 'should not take much longer (it's already taken too long)'. The rewrite came out 2.5 months later.

And from the sound of it she's also taken the time to add a lot of smaller outfit and art customizations in chapter 10

She did the same thing when chapter 9 went into overtime so this might just be something easy to do while being stuck at writing.
My point is I can't accept this as normal. We are now looking at 9 months for chapter 10. And I think EvaKiss agreed, hence her writing 'I want to get back in that loop, I want to feel at ease to keep working on this big project'. If she has to continually force herself to labor through the writing this project is doomed.
It is good news that lately she has become more active again, her 'Weekly Status Reports' are (nearly) weekly again and apparently Lena's part is 2/3 done.

But with how sweet Molly is and how gentleman-like Ed is most of the time, I can't really see Lena and Ed starting something behind Molly's back either. Though Eva must have had some idea of how to do it from the beginning. It would've been easier if Ed was slightly more like GGGB Arthur, and that might also have been the original plan.

You mean like Lena also would never steal money behind her back
I think EvaKiss didn't have a comprehensive path for characters like Ed, Wade or Stan. Wade got changed from successfull to loser early on, Stan got the rewrite and Ed just lost all his interest in Lena after chapter 2.

 

[BloodyMares]

And why would these parents paint their child in a sleeveless dress? With her chin propped up? Sorry, to me it looks more like how an artist would paint his girlfriend/wife.

Why not? In the time of renaissance the noblemen used to hire painters to draw their loved ones or even relatives in various ways, even sensual. It's not like the dress is too open or the pose overly suggestive. Just gives an impression of a confident and classy lady. To me the image looks aristocratic, nothing more. It makes sense that it could be a young Molly in the picture, I just can't imagine the purpose for Lena's visit there if Ed's content is not to be included in the base version of the game. The background art is there to be reused multiple times after all.

 

[dundun]

Why not? In the time of renaissance the noblemen used to hire painters to draw their loved ones or even relatives in various ways, even sensual. It's not like the dress is too open or the pose overly suggestive. Just gives an impression of a confident and classy lady. To me the image looks aristocratic, nothing more. It makes sense that it could be a young Molly in the picture, I just can't imagine the purpose for Lena's visit there if Ed's content is not to be included in the base version of the game. The background art is there to be reused multiple times after all.

The renaissance was quite some time ago though
Exactly, like a lady not a child.
And that argument cuts both ways, how would Alison's (or Holly's) parents' livingroom be reused?

 

[monk_56]

ORS fans are so desperate for a scrap of content they speculate for pages over some room.

 

[damocles15]

awesome game you got here. tnx.

 

[MisterABC]

I'm just over here with a hope that we will finally see Ed content

 

[Rickster82]

Guys wanna place a bet what happens next on Eva Kiss' Patreon page? Maybe a status report?

 

[Doppelgang]

You mean like Lena also would never steal money behind her back
I think EvaKiss didn't have a comprehensive path for characters like Ed, Wade or Stan. Wade got changed from successfull to loser early on, Stan got the rewrite and Ed just lost all his interest in Lena after chapter 2.

Yes, I think Ed is one of the characters where Eva had a more vague and general idea of who he was supposed to be and how he could be used in the story.

But I also think those two other examples illustrate how most of the narrative framework was kept even with their changes. With Wade you still have to choose between being loyal to him or going behind his back with Cindy. The changes seemed to be made to make him fit his role better, similarly to Robert’s changes.

With Stan the changes were instead necessary to even get the path going, but he’s still in several ways similar as before, and like in Wade’s case there’s a third person who’s important for the dynamics between the characters: Louise. Here too you have to choose whose side to take, like before the rewrite.

In Ed’s case it’s harder to see what his role is, but I assume Eva had some general sense of the direction it was supposed to take. And also how Molly, similarly to Wade and Louise, would add some kind of conflict or moral dilemma to it. I always thought the stealing was a bit odd, but I’m guessing that was an attempt to create some friction in the relationship between the three of them. And then Eva didn't have a clear plan for the next step.

If this really is Ed and Molly's living room, I assume Eva had a breakthrough on that front. Either by coming up with an idea on how to push forward with that vague original plan—or by redefining the path by dropping the sex and finding another way to use Ed and Molly. But if she actually made a background for their living room, my money's on the former.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

ORS fans are so desperate for a scrap of content they speculate for pages over some room.

It's what happens when your game has been dead for over a year.

 

[BloodyMares]

And that argument cuts both ways, how would Alison's (or Holly's) parents' livingroom be reused?

Either of them can become Ian's proper girlfriend. Naturally, he might start visiting them. I doubt their relationship will be so sex-focused that they skip their living room every time and pretend like their parents don't exist. Eventually Ian would have to get to know them and get in contact with them frequently unless he rents his own place and Holly / Alison move with him straight away. An alternative is to always come up with an excuse for their absence.

 

[dundun]

I always thought the stealing was a bit odd, but I’m guessing that was an attempt to create some friction in the relationship between the three of them. And then Eva didn't have a clear plan for the next step.

If this really is Ed and Molly's living room, I assume Eva had a breakthrough on that front. Either by coming up with an idea on how to push forward with that vague original plan—or by redefining the path by dropping the sex and finding another way to use Ed and Molly. But if she actually made a background for their living room, my money's on the former.

It's not odd, Lena needs money especially if she loses both her jobs. It is a decision who Lena will become. It also locks Lena out from helping the cafe.
I thiink Ed/Molly and Seymour are somewhat antipodes in Lena's story. She either helps them to keep their cafe or she becomes Seymour's creature. For now she can do both but at some point she will have to choose.

Well, I'm not putting money on any of this. It could be literally anything. Maybe it's a new Robert scene (there must always be a Robert scene) and Lena finds out he is sleeping on his grandma's couch.

Either of them can become Ian's proper girlfriend. Naturally, he might start visiting them. I doubt their relationship will be so sex-focused that they skip their living room every time and pretend like their parents don't exist. Eventually Ian would have to get to know them and get in contact with them frequently unless he rents his own place and Holly / Alison move with him straight away. An alternative is to always come up with an excuse for their absence.

Okay. Let's think this through. Ian can be with Alison, Holly, Lena and Cindy. There is no reason why he would skip their living room with any of them. Therefore we will meet 4 different sets of parents in 4 different living rooms having 4 different awkward conversations? Clearly you can see the folly in that.
Meeting the parents adds nothing to the game. This is not a life sim, it is an erotic novel (and a very raunchy one ) The only reason wasting assets on them would be if they are somehow involved in the story. Which is possible, of course. We are supposed to meet several new characters after all. But then we have to ask ourselves how they are involved.

Like what if it turns out that Alison's mom is actually super hot and Ian totally falls for her and they eff like rabbits in that rocking chair Hey, maybe she is actually mystery girl that was teased twice. But we are supposed to know her
OMG! It's Jolene! Oh well, one can dream ...

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Okay. Let's think this through. Ian can be with Alison, Holly, Lena and Cindy. There is no reason why he would skip their living room with any of them. Therefore we will meet 4 different sets of parents in 4 different living rooms having 4 different awkward conversations? Clearly you can see the folly in that.
Meeting the parents adds nothing to the game. This is not a life sim, it is an erotic novel (and a very raunchy one ) The only reason wasting assets on them would be if they are somehow involved in the story. Which is possible, of course. We are supposed to meet several new characters after all. But then we have to ask ourselves how they are involved.

Like what if it turns out that Alison's mom is actually super hot and Ian totally falls for her and they eff like rabbits in that rocking chair Hey, maybe she is actually mystery girl that was teased twice. But we are supposed to know her
OMG! It's Jolene! Oh well, one can dream ...

I can see Holly's parents getting involved considering she has beef with them, and they can be another trigger to develop Holly's character. Lena meeting Ian's parents is possible too if she's dating him.

 

[Deleted member 1071869]

Since the new update is coming soon, is there a place where I can download saves with finished ch.9 with some "specific routes" picked? Or could anyone share his?
It's been so long I've lost all my saves.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Guys wanna place a bet what happens next on Eva Kiss' Patreon page? Maybe a status report?

I place my bet and raise it with a "I'm focusing on writing"

 

[JohnnyKiss]

The renaissance was quite some time ago though

Yeah, around the time Chapter 9 of ORS was released.

 

[BorgiaBou]

Since the new update is coming soon,

Who told you this "update coming soon", that person lied you...

 

[selberdreher]

The rocking chair points to someone taking naps at day, someone old or someone who is sick. Like Molly who is 59 and often too weak to work.

I believe the rocking chair gives it away more than any other thing. But there are of course more clues than this.

First would be the overall impression of this rooms furniture look kind of outdated, it's definetly a living room of an older couple who hasn't changed their interior for decades. Either for money reasons or because they found it comfy then and find it comfy still in the present. I agree on the portrait of the lady to the right is more likely a painting than photograph, because like already pointed out the pose and size of it seem to be fitting for a painting.

From just those two clues -outdated furniture style and rocking chair- i believe it's reasonable to narrow down the suspects to just two couples: Ed & Molly and i am surprised noone else suggested this so far, of course Lenas parents. The rocking chair could see heavy use by her sickly (step-)dad, and their money issues may have prevented them to update their furniture to a more recent style.

However the selection of paintings narrows it even more to just one couple.
Those three pictures feature three different art styles and motives. I would suspect that anyone who is 'artsy' enough to decorate their livingroom with painted art would settle for a specific style and/or motive, like let's say modern art or impressionism, if those are their favourites.
Since even i can tell those aren't (high) quality pieces -the try on cubism aswell as the still-life can be best described as boring- there must be another, a personal reason to display them. Ed who has probably dabbled back then in different art styles and the portrait of a young Molly would fit the bill nicely.

My bet is on Eds&Mollys livingroom.

 

[BloodyMares]

Therefore we will meet 4 different sets of parents in 4 different living rooms having 4 different awkward conversations?

Except only Holly and Alison live with their parents. Lena got to know Perry quite well, and Ian will have to interact with Louise and Stan too as currently that's who she lives with and I don't see Lena moving to her hometown, if anything it's probably they who may come to visit. Cindy lives with Wade and I'm not sure whose place it is; whether Cindy will have to move out if they break up or Wade will have to temporarily share a place with Perry and Ian.

Meeting the parents adds nothing to the game. This is not a life sim, it is an erotic novel (and a very raunchy one ) The only reason wasting assets on them would be if they are somehow involved in the story. Which is possible, of course. We are supposed to meet several new characters after all. But then we have to ask ourselves how they are involved

Meeting the parents complicates the relationship and adds drama. You should know that Eva loves including them to spice things up and make the payoff much more satisfying. What will Ian do if Holly's parents pressure him to propose and if he doesn't, forbid her to date him? Those Wits might come in handy to deal with that dilemma (either find a way to sweet-talk the parents or convince Holly to stand up for herself). What if Alison's parents are snobs just like his own, and will only accept him if he's financially successful? Also their presence might complicate their frequent sexual meetings so they'd probably have to get creative, especially if Perry starts bringing Emma or Cherry home.