VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.6] [Eva Kiss]

[bitofaperv]

You have successfully described why I don't like playing as Ian in this game, but from the female POV.

Ian is wimpy compared to the other men in this game- and he always will be. He cannot escape that- its just how he is built.
Perhaps he can change his attitudes- but he can never escape being a manlett. It'd be like getting chocked by your kid brother- I think I'd just burst out laughing.

You know Stan and Robert exist in this game, right?

 

[IkarusWestwood]

Ian is wimpy compared to the other men in this game- and he always will be.

Ian seeing that he is in the same game as Robert, Stan and Perry:

 

[monk_56]

Ya'll are being too literal. Obviously I mean the ones intended to have Dominant qualities like Jeremy, Mike, Axel ect.

Not the cucky shitlords that exist in game just so Ian can have a few people he is physically superior to and so Lena can have corruption routes with people a gal like her would never sleep with except in these suspension of disbelief sort of narrative designed for player wish fulfillment.

Being superior to Stan and Robert is about as impressive as being able to put your pants on in the morning.

* Stan feels like he was cooked up on a 4chan board and sharted into existence by the power of incel angst alone.
* Robert is so painfully slightly below mediocre that the power of mediocrity alone sustains him. He has like 15 scenes and I don't think I've seen a single person say they liked his pathing . ORS has some weird pairings going on.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

You have successfully described why I don't like playing as Ian in this game, but from the female POV.

Ian is wimpy compared to the other men in this game- and he always will be. He cannot escape that- its just how he is built.
Perhaps he can change his attitudes- but he can never escape being a manlett. It'd be like getting chocked by your kid brother- I think I'd just burst out laughing.

Oh no, why is MC a multi-faceted well-written personality, and not a set of muscles with a 10 inch cock in front of which all the chicks automatically take off their panties.

 

[monk_56]

Oh no, why is MC a multi-faceted well-written personality, and not a set of muscles with a 10 inch cock in front of which all the chicks automatically take off their panties.

Ahh- this argument again. Gotta love the hyperbolic straw mans.

You know you can be both a large attractive character AND well written right? Just look at Lena. She's built like a prototypical attractive model. Tall, elegant, thin, stunning. Is it your argument that she is a bad character just b/c of her physical qualities as well?

It is always a binary in ya'lls minds.

Dommy manlets just don't hit the same as the larger characters (for me). I'm sure it works for some ppl and that is great, but in my mind Ian is destined to be the vanilla-lad of the game or a cuck. ;-P

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Ahh- this argument again. Gotta love the hyperbolic straw mans.

You know you can be both a large attractive character AND well written right? Just look at Lena. She's built like a prototypical attractive model
But no, it is always a binary in ya'lls minds.

Dommy manlets just don't hit the same as the larger characters (for me). I'm sure it works for some ppl and that is great, but to me Ian is destined to be the vanilla-lad of the game or a cuck. ;-P

Stan, is that you? STAAAAAAN! I finally found you!

 

[monk_56]

Stan, is that you? STAAAAAAN! I finally found you!

Heh, resorting to personal insults is kinda pathetic brohan.

Either argue the point or leave it. Sorry if I hurt your feelings talking about one aesthetic being more attractive/dominant than the other.

 

[Flowing Thought]

To me it is not about body type for Axel and Ian it is about confidence and personality. Axel oozes confidence and has a dominating personality. He has the it factor. Ian does not have these qualities.

 

[monk_56]

To me it is not about body type for Axel and Ian it is about confidence and personality. Axel oozes confidence and has a dominating personality. He has the it factor. Ian does not have these qualities.

Ahh if it's just *it* factor I bet Ian can get that. If he becomes a mega prolific author that ought to boost his confidence enough.

He does have tons of self-doubt and is somewhat wimpy/vanilla still in his relationship dynamics at the moment, but maybe he can learn. It might be awhile though.

The last chapter did a lot of work at cucking him out and making him weaker. Maybe in this next one he will grow a little.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Heh, resorting to personal insults is kinda pathetic brohan.

Either argue the point or leave it. Sorry if I hurt your feelings talking about one aesthetic being more attractive/dominant than the other.

Well, I just have to laugh on your views that male MC should by default be the dominant alpha male with Axel looks, and I usually laugh when people wright BS. No one is insulting you, buddy
Also BS that Ian can't have a dominant personality. At the beginning of the game it is, he is an average guy with a personality bias in Wits, but as the game progresses, this can change in any direction and you can build your MC however you want. If you don't played GGGB, then you just don't know that in Eva games, the characters change beyond recognition during the game.

But your idea of ideal male characters and claims that Ian is not masculine and dominant enough... dude, this is very similar to the ideology of incel movement.

Ahh if it's just *it* factor I bet Ian can get that. If he becomes a mega prolific author that ought to boost his confidence enough.

He does have tons of self-doubt and is somewhat wimpy/vanilla still in his relationship dynamics at the moment, but maybe he can learn. It might be awhile though.

The last chapter did a lot of work at cucking him out and making him weaker. Maybe in this next one he will grow a little.

Now I get it If you are playing cuck route no wonder that your Ian is not masculine and dominant enough. My Ian fucks everything that moves.

"NOT MASCULINE AND NOT DOMINANT"

 

[lipe2410]

Dommy manlets just don't hit the same as the larger characters (for me). I'm sure it works for some ppl and that is great, but in my mind Ian is destined to be the vanilla-lad of the game or a cuck. ;-P

You should really take a break of porn to deconstruct these porn stereotypes/tropes in your head.
And the appeal of Ian is that he can achieve as much and even more (way more) of than Jeremy, Axel, Mike can even he not being this "urr durr alpha male" stereotype those three are.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

You have successfully described why I don't like playing as Ian in this game, but from the female POV.

Ian is wimpy compared to the other men in this game- and he always will be. He cannot escape that- its just how he is built.
Perhaps he can change his attitudes- but he can never escape being a manlett. It'd be like getting chocked by your kid brother- I think I'd just burst out laughing.

Who let this man cook?!

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Ya'll are being too literal. Obviously I mean the ones intended to have Dominant qualities like Jeremy, Mike, Axel ect.

Jeremy isn't meant to be "dominant type" in the game. Again, this just goes back to my point that people take the physical appearance (and not wrongly) to see someone more dominant than other. Ian can be played as a way more dominant of a person than Jeremy yet people would consider Jeremy as a more dominant person due to his physique.

It's not "Wrong" to consider someone as Axel more of a dom type due to his physique than someone like Ian but it is "wrong" to say Ian ISN'T dom because of his physique or that someone like Jeremy is more dominant.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

Ian being a middle of the road character allows your choices to shape him. If you were playing Axel or Jeremy the whole point system wouldn't make any sense. Similar to how Lena is the most 'middle of the road' female character. (Although arguably Holly could also have been a MC type as she can be evolved in many ways)

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Well in terms of height ian is 175, mike is 180 or something and alec is 185 its not that different

Isn't Axel 194cm (6 4') ? That's a huge difference from 175 (I know since I'm that height)

 

[JoJoPool]

Ahh if it's just *it* factor I bet Ian can get that. If he becomes a mega prolific author that ought to boost his confidence enough.

He does have tons of self-doubt and is somewhat wimpy/vanilla still in his relationship dynamics at the moment, but maybe he can learn. It might be awhile though.

The last chapter did a lot of work at cucking him out and making him weaker. Maybe in this next one he will grow a little.

If you feel that way about Ian then maybe it's your decisions that led to that ? I certainly didn't feel that way about Ian in my chad playthrough so maybe that's a you problem.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

If you feel that way about Ian then maybe it's your decisions that led to that ? I certainly didn't feel that way about Ian in my chad playthrough so maybe that's a you problem.

Agreed, I play Ian as a non-romantic player type going after as many ladies as possible, and he's far from passive. The only slight annoyance is there seems to be a bit of a bug where even if I ignore the Lena romance path, I can't get him to befriend Axel...because Axel still seems jealous for some ridiculous reason.

 

[Gato21]

Agreed, I play Ian as a non-romantic player type going after as many ladies as possible, and he's far from passive. The only slight annoyance is there seems to be a bit of a bug where even if I ignore the Lena romance path, I can't get him to befriend Axel...because Axel still seems jealous for some ridiculous reason.

Yeah, what's up with that. I could of sworn that wasn't the case before and you could be on a less adversarial path. Was that from the remake/rewrite? I mean I get the need sometimes to streamline the story, but it kind of sucks when choice is taken away from the player. Positive it's a bug or now canonical?

 

[monk_56]

If you feel that way about Ian then maybe it's your decisions that led to that ? I certainly didn't feel that way about Ian in my chad playthrough so maybe that's a you problem.

I doubt it. The pathing I did for canon was basically textbook fuck-boy Ian and and Lena as bi with Ian but Les otherwise. No Cindy, Allison pathing with no threesome, Minerva, and then dating holly towards the end. Course most of Ian's shit shuts off when you try to do Holly's stuff- but that is just the nature of Ian. Bro gets railroaded into monogamy like a motherfucker.

I suppose you could argue that having used the gallery to check out the alt paths made Ian seem weaker- and that is true. But the iteration of Ian I am comparing the other scenes to was more or less the strongest iteration of the lad. He just seems pretty weak / underwhelming when compared to a suite of the other characters.

Perhaps when you are creating a character to be in the middle with latitude to flex to the side they are not really going to be effective in either the dom or sub role- he seems pretty mid at doing most things except vanilla.

 

[Gato21]

I doubt it. The pathing I did for canon was basically textbook fuck-boy Ian and and Lena as bi with Ian but Les otherwise. No Cindy, Allison pathing with no threesome, Minerva, and then dating holly towards the end. Course most off Ian's shit shuts off when you try to do Holly's stuff- but that is just the nature of Ian. Bro gets railroaded into monogamy like a motherfucker.

I suppose you could argue that having used the gallery to check out the alt paths made Ian seem weaker- and that is true. But the iteration of Ian I am comparing the other scenes to was more or less the strongest iteration of the lad. He just seems pretty weak / underwhelming when compared to a suite of the other characters.

Perhaps when you are creating a character to be in the middle with latitude to flex to the side they are not really going to be effective in either the dom or sub role- he seems pretty mid at doing most things except vanilla.

Chad points change the dialogue I believe, you take in account for that as well? Could that have possibly skewed your perception?