VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.6] [Eva Kiss]

[GibboBtw]

I would say she is more of a Nun than Slut at the point.

Bro, you must know some wild ass nuns in your town

Are you sure your local church isn’t just a brothel?

 

[SerHawkes]

Bro, you must know some wild ass nuns in your town

Are you sure your local church isn’t just a brothel?

Considering the one time I did a gal in church in a confessional booth in my youngerish of days... No comment.

And by Nun I'm meaning content. If Ivy was half the slut she is implied to be, we would have seen more of her with alot more males. Not the case. The only time she is remotely with a guy is with Jeremy, and thats only either a partial on screen moment or in most cases an 'off screen event'. So in short, she is a Nun.

 

[varpep]

Considering the one time I did a gal in church in a confessional booth in my youngerish of days... No comment.

And by Nun I'm meaning content. If Ivy was half the slut she is implied to be, we would have seen more of her with alot more males. Not the case. The only time she is remotely with a guy is with Jeremy, and thats only either a partial on screen moment or in most cases an 'off screen event'. So in short, she is a Nun.

Tis true. Ivy be a lyin virgin! Lola be the most experienced gal on da block

 

[JoeSte91]

So... Could Ivy's overall character and behavior and mannerisms simply be an act of sorts to stroke her ego of her own views, ala having Lena be casual and Holly awaken her slut streak, or could there be a deeper sider to her that has insecurities and flaws that we have yet to see?

I don't think the two are exclusive. This is Eva we're talking about. There is some insecurity or nuance to why she is the way she is, but she's also riding dick for days.

 

[SerHawkes]

I don't think the two are exclusive. This is Eva we're talking about. There is some insecurity or nuance to why she is the way she is, but she's also riding dick for days.

Supposedly, sure. But I suspect that isn't the case.

 

[SerHawkes]

Tis true. Ivy be a lyin virgin! Lola be the most experienced gal on da block

Very likely. Lola is the biggest whore around the block.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

Despite the fact that we have male and female MCs, game is still made with male gaze in mind, it's the main player base. So since Eva still tries to squeeze in different scenarios patrons push for, it's much easier for her to do that using Lena as the precursor.

Ian is varied outside of mindless fucking because ironically, there ain't much to do with him as far as sex scenes.

We have Chad/player, romantic/loyal and submissive/cuck. That's pretty much as far as it can go for him. This leaves plenty of writing space for character development and relationships outside of soulless sex scenes.

Lena—and other female characters by proxy—is who Eva uses to make the freaky shit that keeps her patrons happy.

So while Ian has a couple compact paths that don't fully conflict with one another, Lena has so many options that make her branching really feel disjointed and—I assume—hard to keep track of and maintain consistency over the course of the story.

 

[nevt2050ptr]

Honestly, can't believe I am saying this... But I'm gonna side with Zara on this matter because they do have a point.

In terms of overall content alone, scenes and such, Ian and Lena are the biggest sluts around, where as Ivy only has a handful, mainly yuri focused. What might and is "implied" about her happenings is more so under the rank and file of off-screen action. And no one cares about what happens off screen anyways.

The issue however, is that Eva Kiss made out Ivy to be the 'slut' of the game. Dresses slutty, seemingly DTF, fun girl in the bedding department. And yet though, that very much isn't the case. She flirts, teases, has some measure of interest with the guys, but nothing really happens fully. It's only 'mentioned in passing' or 'past actions'. While her relationships and relations with Lena, and by proxy Holly, are determined by the player, I would say she is more of a Nun than Slut at the point. If EK wanted to she could have had Ivy be riding dicks for days, have her brag or tease Lena about what all she did, etc. But that's not the case.

So... Could Ivy's overall character and behavior and mannerisms simply be an act of sorts to stroke her ego of her own views, ala having Lena be casual and Holly awaken her slut streak, or could there be a deeper sider to her that has insecurities and flaws that we have yet to see?

You only agree with Zara, because you want to believe in your holy virgin Ivy waifu.

 

[SerHawkes]

You only agree with Zara, because you want to believe in your holy virgin Ivy waifu.


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On this topic, sure. Other of their views, fuck no.

 

[maksblack1000]

HOW. to. unlock. Lena. in. shower?

 

[Birdnman993]

GGGB is insane for a first work. But its just that, a first work. Repeating it again would be pointless, so naturally Eva got significantly more ambitious and went in another direction.

That's the great thing about GGGB, no matter how many times you play it it always has something new you've never seen before, I recently replayed it and was amazed at the things I didn't see before, and it also served to reaffirm my hatred of Jack and Tyrione.

Ash can also actively work with Arthur to mind break and rape his daughter and then make her his sex pet with his magic drugs. Probably the most vile arc, makes all the cheating and drug dealing look like a walk in the park.

One recent thing I've discovered is that if you follow all of Arthur's perversions you can get a lot of money out of him.
That way at least you avoid public humiliation for being a camgirl.

 

[JoJoPool]

TBF that is her factory setting.

Looks like something’s interesting going on there, too bad I didn’t read any of her posts because they’re all so damn long

 

[BlandChili]

One recent thing I've discovered is that if you follow all of Arthur's perversions you can get a lot of money out of him.
That way at least you avoid public humiliation for being a camgirl.

Avoid public humiliation? That doesn't sound fun at all!

 

[Zara Scarlet]

By your premise, we might as well assume that Lena's brother is a upstanding politician, or that Gillian's boyfriend is Tony Soprano, because they've never been shown to do anything in the game that we've been told about them, and in your scenario we completely ignore context clues to the contrary.

Ivy is not forthcoming. We can tell that from how she keeps information from Lena about both Axel and Mike, and maybe others that I'm not even remembering. When Lena confronts her over Mike, Lena is able to guess, correctly, that they hooked up because Ivy says that she and Mike get along. Lena, her best friend, who knows Ivy best, understands that when she gets along with a guy, they hook up.

Pretending that she's not promiscuous simply because she's not a POV character is absurd. Lena and Ian would have to follow her around, tied at her hip, to reach the burden of proof of her promiscuity that you're asking for.

I'm not pretending anything. All I'm talking about is facts, and what you're talking about are possibilities. The reality is that Lena and Ian did do those things, whereas what you're suggesting about Ivy might have have happened, if your hypothesis is correct, and there's no guarantee that it is. There is likely a very high probability that Ivy is a very promiscuous person, and if you could see everything that goes on in her life, maybe you could come to a different conclusion. But we can't, and therefore we cannot say that she is the most promiscuous person in this game, with any degree of accuracy. You pretty much acknowledge that above. But you're never going to agree with me, because you're talking about something completely different to me. What I'm talking about, relates to the original comment that I made, and what you're talking about, is what other people have introduced into this discussion.

In any case, it doesn't matter who started the game as the most promiscuous person, because it's fairly clear that Lena will end up occupying that position by the end of it, if you allow her to. Just like Ashley eventually superceded Jessica in Good Girl Gone Bad. And it's becoming increasingly clear that slutty Holly (who is modelling herself on Ivy and the sluttier version of Lena) won't be that far behind.

 

[BlandChili]

In any case, it doesn't matter who started the game as the most promiscuous person, because it's fairly clear that Lena will end up occupying that position by the end of it, if you allow her to. Just like Ashley eventually superceded Jessica in Good Girl Gone Bad. And it's becoming increasingly clear that slutty Holly (who is modelling herself on Ivy and the sluttier version of Lena) won't be that far behind.

Given the gloryhole scene one could argue Holly is currently leading the race to slutsville.

 

[dolfe67]

Don't forget Ivy has an onlyfans (or whatever it's called). Showing your pussy/ass in full screen taking dildos, isn't that promiscuous? Do nuns do that?

"But we don't see it" -> ok stop your bad faith now

 

[fatpussy123]

Don't forget Ivy has an onlyfans (or whatever it's called). Showing your pussy/ass in full screen taking dildos, isn't that promiscuous? Do nuns do that?

"But we don't see it" -> ok stop your bad faith now

In this case we do see it. Lena can look at Ivy's stalkfap and see very un nun like behavior. Strange that Ian can't yet subscribe to it, given he can follow Ivy, jack it to Jess' porn, and subscribe to Lena's stalkfap.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

You only agree with Zara, because you want to believe in your holy virgin Ivy waifu.


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I don't think we agree at all. I know Ivy is a slut (we have her own words to that effect). I just don't agree that she's the biggest slut in this game. If all the things she's probably getting up to, outside of gameplay, were instead featured in the game, then I would have to agree with you people. But they're not, so it's not actually part of the game. And no matter how many times some people try to say that it is, it won't make it so.

In the case of Jessica, she had a much higher profile in Good Girl Gone Bad, than Ivy does in this game. Because one of the main focuses of that game, was Ashley modelling herself on Jessica and then eventually superceding her. That resulted in Jessica featuring in many more sex scenes, than Ivy does in this one. I mean so far we haven't even seen Ivy with a man, except that one brief BJ scene with Jeremy, at the end of Truth or Dare. So it was easy to say that Jessica was a big slut in Good Girl Gone Bad, because we actually saw lots of evidence of it. Whereas, with Ivy we only have a few lesbian scenes and an awful lot of maybes.

Ashley starts off Good Girl Gone Bad, as a relatively innocent girl, with limited sexual experience. Whereas Lena already has quite a lot of sexual experience, with many different partners, and she's already confident enough with her body and sexuality to pose nude in public. After her relationship with Axel ends badly, she temporarily loses some of her confidence, and it might seem to begin with that she's similar to Ashley at the start of Good Girl Gone Bad. But she isn't. Underneath that illusory shyness, there's a temptress waiting to re-emerge. And although she might appear to be the sweet girl that Ian initially envisages, there's also the girl that was corrupted by Axel and Ivy, and has the potential to be slutty and deceitful, if the player allows it. It doesn't take Ivy's intervention for Lena to succumb to Mike's charms. She's already become his slut long before Ivy gives her drugs, and she knows that Mike has a girlfriend, so she's effectively doing the same thing that Cherry did to her. And she apparently has no real problem with that. On the contrary, it turns her on even more.

So this idea, that Ivy is primarily responsible for Lena becoming a cheating slut is nonsense. She starts the game with that potential, and the lion's share of the corrupting was done by Axel. His deceitful actions, the kind of relationship he manipulated Lena into and the idea that it was ok to cheat, all comes down to him. Ivy has always been clear, that she doesn't believe in getting tied down. She believes that girls like her and Lena should stay single, so all these complications that Lena is currently dealing with, never materialise. She's adamant that Lena shouldn't get into a relationship with Ian, precisely because she believes that Lena will find it difficult not to cheat. And even if she doesn't, she's constantly struggling with temptation, because her natural inclination is to flirt with people she finds attractive. And that's not down to Ivy, it's entirely down to the kind of person that she is. Maybe when they were teenagers, Ivy played a big role in making Lena more comfortable with the idea of being slutty, but for a long time she's either been mainly influenced by Axel (they had a master/slave relationship, and she pretty much did whatever he suggested) or more recently it's been Seymour, who's convinced her that people like him and her can have it all, and ordinary mortals are just their playthings.

Seymour is very likely intending to mould Lena into a total bitch, who's the equal of the controlling bastard that he is. All that discussion about the 'The Child' and how they're destined for greatness, by controlling lesser mortals. He believes that Lena can be just like him, if she's given the right guidance. I guess it's lonely at the top, and he wants a companion, that he views as his equal. But of course, that will likely be at the expense of everyone in her life that she currently thinks of as a friend.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Given the gloryhole scene one could argue Holly is currently leading the race to slutsville.

We can only hope. I love previously innocent girls being corrupted into whores. And sweet little Holly was so innocent. The greater the fall, the greater the ecstacy (at least in these games anyway). But Lena is a protagonist, so it's inevitable she'll end up as top dog in the slut stakes.

 

[prpa]

I don't think we agree at all. I know Ivy is a slut (we have her own words to that effect). I just don't agree that she's the biggest slut in this game. If all the things she's probably getting up to, outside of gameplay, were instead featured in the game, then I would have to agree with you people. But they're not, so it's not actually part of the game. And no matter how many times some people try to say that it is, it won't make it so.

In the case of Jessica, she had a much higher profile in Good Girl Gone Bad, than Ivy does in this game. Because one of the main focuses of that game, was Ashley modelling herself on Jessica and then eventually superceding her. That resulted in Jessica featuring in many more sex scenes, than Ivy does in this one. I mean so far we haven't even seen Ivy with a man, except that one brief BJ scene with Jeremy, at the end of Truth or Dare. So it was easy to say that Jessica was a big slut in Good Girl Gone Bad, because we actually saw lots of evidence of it. Whereas, with Ivy we only have a few lesbian scenes and an awful lot of maybes.

Ashley starts off Good Girl Gone Bad, as a relatively innocent girl, with limited sexual experience. Whereas Lena already has quite a lot of sexual experience, with many different partners, and she's already confident enough with her body and sexuality to pose nude in public. After her relationship with Axel ends badly, she temporarily loses some of her confidence, and it might seem to begin with that she's similar to Ashley at the start of Good Girl Gone Bad. But she isn't. Underneath that illusory shyness, there's a temptress waiting to re-emerge. And although she might appear to be the sweet girl that Ian initially envisages, there's also the girl that was corrupted by Axel and Ivy, and has the potential to be slutty and deceitful, if the player allows it. It doesn't take Ivy's intervention for Lena to succumb to Mike's charms. She's already become his slut long before Ivy gives her drugs, and she knows that Mike has a girlfriend, so she's effectively doing the same thing that Cherry did to her. And she apparently has no real problem with that. On the contrary, it turns her on even more.

So this idea, that Ivy is primarily responsible for Lena becoming a cheating slut is nonsense. She starts the game with that potential, and the lion's share of the corrupting was done by Axel. His deceitful actions, the kind of relationship he manipulated Lena into and the idea that it was ok to cheat, all comes down to him. Ivy has always been clear, that she doesn't believe in getting tied down. She believes that girls like her and Lena should stay single, so all these complications that Lena is currently dealing with, never materialise. She's adamant that Lena shouldn't get into a relationship with Ian, precisely because she believes that Lena will find it difficult not to cheat. And even if she doesn't, she's constantly struggling with temptation, because her natural inclination is to flirt with people she finds attractive. And that's not down to Ivy, it's entirely down to the kind of person that she is. Maybe when they were teenagers, Ivy played a big role in making Lena more comfortable with the idea of being slutty, but for a long time she's either been mainly influenced by Axel (they had a master/slave relationship, and she pretty much did whatever he suggested) or more recently it's been Seymour, who's convinced her that people like him and her can have it all, and ordinary mortals are just their playthings.

Seymour is very likely intending to mould Lena into a total bitch, who's the equal of the controlling bastard that he is. All that discussion about the 'The Child' and how they're destined for greatness, by controlling lesser mortals. He believes that Lena can be just like him, if she's given the right guidance. I guess it's lonely at the top, and he wants a companion, that he views as his equal. But of course, that will likely be at the expense of everyone in her life that she currently thinks of as a friend.

Sorry, but it seems like you’ve created an idealized, overly sexualized version of Lena in your head, and you’re unwilling to accept that not everyone sees or plays her that way. You tend to treat anyone who portrays her differently as if they’re wrong, and at this point, there’s really no point in arguing with you — you seem completely set in your ways.