VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[DavDR]

If we take first 3 chapters to make a character judgment, then she enjoys nude modeling but mainly for the artistic side of it, being seen as the modern-day Venus to inspire people to create art, not the sexual side or doing anything for money (that comes with Ivy's corruption of Lena). Which is how Seymour could probably sweet-talk to her so efficiently because he sees her as a muse as well, but rather the Siren type. Other than that, she hates cheaters (at least when she or her friends are involved). When that moral doesn't control her (Mike, Jeremy), it could easily be viewed as corruption as well because she starts making choices that hurt other people.

I don't see Lena pursuing a career as an e-girl as corruption at all. And one of my biggest disappointments with the game is that the dev does seem to see it the way you do.

Lena works as a nude model, she accepts money to pose nude for sketches and photographs. And that's considered legitimate. But if she post it on the internet it's corrupting? That makes no sense to me. I saw the same attitude in GGGB, that somehow Ash or Lena couldn't enter that world without being hopelessly corrupted.

Having worked as a professional photographer I have a lot of respect for the e-girls, rather intentionally or not they've DIYed the world of professional modelling, and it couldn't have happened to a more corrupt industry. The professional modelling agencies are horribly corrupt, often operating as out and out pimps. The e-girls have taken the business, and a large share of the income, into their own hands. I don't see why Ash or Lena couldn't do the same.

 

[PervySageKem]

I don't see Lena pursuing a career as an e-girl as corruption at all. And one of my biggest disappointments with the game is that the dev does seem to see it the way you do.

Lena works as a nude model, she accepts money to pose nude for sketches and photographs. And that's considered legitimate. But if she post it on the internet it's corrupting? That makes no sense to me. I saw the same attitude in GGGB, that somehow Ash or Lena couldn't enter that world without being hopelessly corrupted.

Having worked as a professional photographer I have a lot of respect for the e-girls, rather intentionally or not they've DIYed the world of professional modelling, and it couldn't have happened to a more corrupt industry. The professional modelling agencies are horribly corrupt, often operating as out and out pimps. The e-girls have taken the business, and a large share of the income, into their own hands. I don't see why Ash or Lena couldn't do the same.

I'll just start by saying "carreer in e-girl" is the most cringe description I've ever read regarding posting nudes on the Internet. There could be a thousand better ways to say that.

Either way, I agree that posting nudes isn't corruption at all, but that's not even what we are talking about. Corruption is seeing her moral degradation from a strong independent woman that knows what she wants from life and love into being the submissive fuck-slut for a bunch of different guys.

 

[DavDR]

Like BloodyMares says, there is quite a bit of exposition through the whole game about Lena's reasoning when doing things. If the "worst thing" that ever happened in her love life was cheating, and she's constantly talking about how much it hurt, it doesn't make sense for her to cheat. She always talks about her modelling in an artistic way and the way she reacts to most things leads me to believe she's accepting of other peoples decisions, she just doesn't want them for herself.

There is also another piece to consider: if we think how Ian is portrayed and we think of the reasons that makes Lena like him, that doesn't sound like a girl that just wants to snort cocaine and fuck around with a bunch of different people.

I'm not entirely sure, but from playing the game while using the walkthrough I got the idea that the options that are needed to take for her to go down those paths are pretty off-character.

In the end, it's all player interpretation. A lot of people come to this game after GGGB for the corruption and slutty-ness, so they tend to defend that type of behavior. Others found both games and wanted fairly wholesome experiences (I myself look for games with a chill vibe that end well for everybody).

If your Lena was slutty from the beginning, you think that all the choices makes sense. If my Lena was always viewed as wholesome and prude, I'll look at the same choices and think they don't make sense. It's a matter of what is your favored perspective.

Who is she cheating? It's entirely possible for Lena to have a sexual relationship with Ian, Robert or even Seymour and be perfectly honest with everyone. I'll admit that sleeping with Jeremy or Mike would be cheating but it's not required that she do so. On the other hand for many of the posters on here it's possible for Ian to sleep with Lena, Holly, Alison, Emma, and Cherry, but I don't hear a lot of complaints or decrying of cheating about that.

 

[BloodyMares]

Another suggestion I have: add an option right on the beginning to completly send Ian and Lena on completely different paths and never see each other again. If that were an option, I'd be much more confortable in experimenting on the content I missed out on.

That unfortunately would destroy the whole premise of the game (Our Red String / Two Sides of the Coin). Ian and Lena are 2 parts of the puzzle, destined to bump into each other on every path and affecting each other's lives with their decisions. They might not feel like they want to pursue the invisible force that pulls them together, but they can't really escape each other completely. Probably until the very end of the game if one of them goes down such a dark path that they completely break their tie with their decisions. Even then, their legacy (the friends they made along the way) would continue having an impact on their lives like a Butterfly Effect.

 

[DavDR]

I'll just start by saying "carreer in e-girl" is the most cringe description I've ever read regarding posting nudes on the Internet. There could be a thousand better ways to say that.

Either way, I agree that posting nudes isn't corruption at all, but that's not even what we are talking about. Corruption is seeing her moral degradation from a strong independent woman that knows what she wants from life and love into being the submissive fuck-slut for a bunch of different guys.

Like it or not there are lot's of women who are in fact 'career e-girls' and doing very well out of it. Sorry they don't need your approval.

 

[PervySageKem]

Like it or not there are lot's of women who are in fact 'career e-girls' and doing very well out of it. Sorry they don't need your approval.

??? No dude, I don't have a problem with any of that.

It's the terminology you used "career e-girl" that is really fucking cringe. Do you not know how to read?

 

[BloodyMares]

Lena works as a nude model, she accepts money to pose nude for sketches and photographs. And that's considered legitimate. But if she post it on the internet it's corrupting? That makes no sense to me.

It's not about the release model at all. Filmmakers can either go the hard route and aim to become big filmmakers by studying and then applying for jobs. Or they can take initiative in their own hands and make short/indie films for YouTube by themselves. Both examples are completely valid, and in both cases they can be equally great.

The main difference is taste or genre of their photography if you will. Lena, by default, wants to make artistic photography. Which is why I like the route where she can pose for Stan, because he helps her make art she wants to make. Ivy, on the other hand, constantly pushes Lena to make lewds that Lena can justifiably call tasteless. The stuff that Lena and Ivy can post on Stalkfap is not art, it's a fapping material for pervs. It's purely sexual and in no way artistic, but it pays. That is a contrast with Lena's initial moral where she money might've been the initial factor that pulled her into modeling, she enjoys doing it because she can create art with her body. Art can be amateur. There are many e-girls who post well-shot artistic nudes on Deviantart, but then some of them post lewds on Onlyfans with the sole purpose to tease the payers into buying more content. Has nothing to do with art.

 

[PervySageKem]

That unfortunately would destroy the whole premise of the game (Our Red String / Two Sides of the Coin). Ian and Lena are 2 parts of the puzzle, destined to bump into each other on every path and affecting each other's lives with their decisions. They might not feel like they want to pursue the invisible force that pulls them together, but they can't really escape each other completely. Probably until the very end of the game if one of them goes down such a dark path that they completely break their tie with their decisions. Even then, their legacy (the friends they made along the way) would continue having an impact on their lives like a Butterfly Effect.

I know that's the premise, just saying it's a bad premise ahahahah

Trying to make a game in which two characters are irrevocably connected and then making 60% or more of the content about things that would separate them seems counterproductive. "Yeah, the main goal of this story is developing the romance between these two characters. Oh btw, have them both cheat on each other and act like assholes to each other".

 

[DavDR]

It's not about the release model at all. Filmmakers can either go the hard route and aim to become big filmmakers by studying and then applying for jobs. Or they can take initiative in their own hands and make short/indie films for YouTube by themselves. Both examples are completely valid, and in both cases they can be equally great.

The main difference is taste or genre of their photography if you will. Lena, by default, wants to make artistic photography. Which is why I like the route where she can pose for Stan, because he helps her make art she wants to make. Ivy, on the other hand, constantly pushes Lena to make lewds that Lena can justifiably call tasteless. The stuff that Lena and Ivy can post on Stalkfap is not art, it's a fapping material for pervs. It's purely sexual and in no way artistic, but it pays. That is a contrast with Lena's initial moral where she money might've been the initial factor that pulled her into modeling, she enjoys doing it because she can create art with her body. Art can be amateur. There are many e-girls who post well-shot artistic nudes on Deviantart, but then some of them post lewds on Onlyfans with the sole purpose to tease the payers into buying more content. Has nothing to do with art.

I think that's a very parochial viewpoint, from you and Eva Kiss. E-girls produce a wide range of content from cosplay, SFW erotica, and NSFW erotica. If you ever looked it to it on sites like OnlyFans more than half the content is Cosplay or SFW. As for quality, there are numerous independent model on Insta that produce content that is equal to anything produced by professional models and photographers. Many of those models earn their income through Patreon, OnlyFans, Gumroad, and dozens of other sites. They even have their own endorsement contracts.

 

[Canto Forte]

Lena is not one of them, neither a pole dancer, nor a meat puppet for sey gore degradation or any of the assholes wanting to feel good by making her act like a used manequin in a disgustin show of farce.

 

[BloodyMares]

Who is she cheating? It's entirely possible for Lena to have a sexual relationship with Ian, Robert or even Seymour and be perfectly honest with everyone. I'll admit that sleeping with Jeremy or Mike would be cheating but it's not required that she do so. On the other hand for many of the posters on here it's possible for Ian to sleep with Lena, Holly, Alison, Emma, and Cherry, but I don't hear a lot of complaints or decrying of cheating about that.

From what I've seen, cheating impacted Ian and Lena differently. It seems like it hurt his self-esteem (problems to keep erection up during his first time), like he wasn't good enough or chad enough to keep Gillian because he doesn't go into rage thinking about her, he becomes melancholic, as if he wishes they were still together. That's why I believe it makes sense that Ian would fall for Cindy and seeing that Wade isn't the right boyfriend for her, he might take his chance (to both restore his masculinity and save Wade and Cindy from having a miserable life together). The actual cheating route where he goes behind Wade's back but doesn't tell Cindy to break up with him is out of character a bit, too.

I think if Lena reacted the same way Ian did to cheating (feeling self-conscious rather than angry at men), then it would make sense why she might want to cheat as well. But it's just whenever she sees guys cheating, it triggers her pain instantly and she lashes out without thinking, almost too quick to judge without knowing the full story. But on the other hand, she seems fine with cheaters if they're cheating with HER or she's the one doing the cheating on someone else. But at least she feels guilty about it so she knows what she's doing is wrong.

 

[Canto Forte]

That bartender cheat by numbers phenom is the mentor for Ian,
of course that kind a mindset of giving it to whomever whenever is gonna pour into him.

 

[BloodyMares]

I think that's a very parochial viewpoint, from you and Eva Kiss. E-girls produce a wide range of content from cosplay, SFW erotica, and NSFW erotica. If you ever looked it to it on sites like OnlyFans more than half the content is Cosplay or SFW. As for quality, there are numerous independent model on Insta that produce content that is equal to anything produced by professional models and photographers. Many of those models earn their income through Patreon, OnlyFans, Gumroad, and dozens of other sites. They even have their own endorsement contracts.

You're not arguing with me dude. I said the same thing with my Filmmakers example. It doesn't matter where you choose to upload your content. What matters is whether you make it tasteful (whether it's SFW or NSFW is irrelevant), or you make it into soft-core or hardcore porn, where all pretence is dropped. Can you describe how the video of Ivy twerking with the close-up of her nude asshole and pussy can be found artistic? I personally can't. Because it's porn, and not of the artistic kind. But while Ivy has no morals stopping her from uploading such content, Lena does have those morals (initially), which can be softened and dropped with Ivy's influence on her, to the point where Lena can be okay filming masturbation of herself and selling it as a custom. In no way would Chapter 1 Lena be comfortable doing that. In fact, she wouldn't even be comfortable posing the way Seymour wants her to during his shoots (exposed, with the main focus on her private parts).

 

[DavDR]

You're not arguing with me dude. I said the same thing with my Filmmakers example. It doesn't matter where you choose to upload your content. What matters is whether you make it tasteful (whether it's SFW or NSFW is irrelevant), or you make it into soft-core or hardcore porn, where all pretence is dropped. Can you describe how the video of Ivy twerking with the close-up of her nude asshole and pussy can be found artistic? I personally can't. Because it's porn, and not of the artistic kind. But while Ivy has no morals stopping her from uploading such content, Lena does have those morals (initially), which can be softened and dropped with Ivy's influence on her, to the point where Lena can be okay filming masturbation of herself and selling it as a custom. In no way would Chapter 1 Lena be comfortable doing that. In fact, she wouldn't even be comfortable posing the way Seymour wants her to during his shoots (exposed, with the main focus on her private parts).

That's the thing though. In both games the only road to financial success is by going hardcore. Lena has a different attitude to art, and could put her artistic sense into anything she creates, but the game won't let her. Also, I have a hard time looking down on Ivy's twerking, I look at stuff like that on PornHub, and I would bet that most of the posters on this forum do too.

 

[XXXVAA]

Why wouldn't you like a Lena who liked sex? I'm sure that you enjoy having sex with women, why can't women enjoy having sex with other men?

The whole problem with 'corruption' in these games is that it assume's that Women are 'pure' to begin with. That's not the way that the world is made. Women enjoy sex too.

considering people like Ian and relate to him, i don't think most people would want a girl that fucked one of your best friends, her cheating ex, sold herself on the internet, had sex with her moron coworker, had an afair with a dude that has a girlfriend and got corrupted by a old rich dude. and before you say it, no in my main route o do not fuck anyone besides lena as Ian.

 

[DavDR]

considering people like Ian and relate to him, i don't think most people would want a girl that fucked one of your best friends, her cheating ex, sold herself on the internet, had sex with her moron coworker, had an afair with a dude that has a girlfriend and got corrupted by a old rich dude. and before you say it, no in my main route o do not fuck anyone besides lena as Ian.

Yes but those same people will choose to make Ian sleep with his friends girlfriend, fuck his married boss, as well as fuck every other woman that crosses his path. There's a word for those people, I think it starts with an H

 

[lipe2410]

In both games the only road to financial success is by going hardcore.

I think that in ORS the hardcore stuff can be just the shortcut for the financial success. But i'm confident that both Ian and Lena can have success in the end keeping their ideals of art. Seymour can block every job for Lena if she doesn'r accept be his sex toy, she can't make money like Ivy if she doesn't make the same content Ivy make in stalkfap and in the future with Billy, but she still have in the end of chapter 9 a new show with Emma and maybe, i hope, this next show can be the turning point for her music career.

 

[XXXVAA]

I think that in ORS the hardcore stuff can be just the shortcut for the financial success. But i'm confident that both Ian and Lena can have success in the end keeping their ideals of art. Seymour can block every job for Lena if she doesn'r accept be his sex toy, she can't make money like Ivy if she doesn't make the same content Ivy make in stalkfap and in the future with Billy, but she still have in the end of chapter 9 a new show with Emma and maybe, i hope, this next show can be the turning point for her music career.

yes, i hope both Lena as Ian get routes where they don't need Seymour. maybe we with Ian if we choose to train jiu-jitsu he can win the tournament and with Lena as you said she can have a music career.

 

[monk_56]

I think that in ORS the hardcore stuff can be just the shortcut for the financial success. But i'm confident that both Ian and Lena can have success in the end keeping their ideals of art. Seymour can block every job for Lena if she doesn'r accept be his sex toy, she can't make money like Ivy if she doesn't make the same content Ivy make in stalkfap and in the future with Billy, but she still have in the end of chapter 9 a new show with Emma and maybe, i hope, this next show can be the turning point for her music career.

God I sure hope so. The reduction of Lena to a sex object being her only path to success would leave a sour taste in my mouth.

I think it'll turn around soon- Eva needed to make us feel the squeeze in this last chapter so the people who like corruption kink and fin-dom kink can get off on the arcs being "compelling."

The music arc and the political "stick it to the man" stuff with Emma is really in a primordial state here; hopefully it ends up being a robust arc with a bunch of more romance / friendship / artisic nudes non-corruption oriented kinks in it

Sure women can find pornography or e-girl lifestyles empowering and some are very comfortable with the roles they've chosen for themselves and that is great for them - but for me its just generally feels bleak and dis-empowering.

I'm not going to judge others and their choices ect. But, I wouldn't have any respect for myself if I did that for a living; and since I self-insert when I play Lena; it'd be cool if I had more options that felt empowering.

 

[PervySageKem]

Yes but those same people will choose to make Ian sleep with his friends girlfriend, fuck his married boss, as well as fuck every other woman that crosses his path. There's a word for those people, I think it starts with an H

Not everyone does that, though. That's why we ask for more wholesome content, we try to do only Ian x Lena and have no content.