VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Xupuzulla]

I have a question that keeps me up at night.....................if you make Lena fuck Stan are you ruining his chances with Holly?
I hope not,the nerds make a cute couple

 

[crabboid]

There are 2 core problems, really -

1 - all other romances are written to either complement or sabotage/kink up the Ian-Lena dynamic. That's their primary purpose, they're not really written to be fully developed love stories on their own, even in the "love paths".

2 - all male characters are written to either make Ian look better in comparison (all the loser friends) or like a beta cuck (all the "alpha" fuckboys), depending on what you're into. That's their primary purpose, they're not really written to be three-dimensional characters or compelling love interests on their own.

I’d imagine that’s why most of these “choose your own adventure” VNs tend to see longer and longer gaps between updates, and so many just get outright abandoned; as more and more characters come on, each with their own stories and branching paths, it just becomes too much of a tangled mess for one person to keep track of.

If you look at big-budget games with choices like Mass Effect, each character has their own dedicated writer.

 

[russelld]

There are 2 core problems, really -

1 - all other romances are written to either complement or sabotage/kink up the Ian-Lena dynamic. That's their primary purpose, they're not really written to be fully developed love stories on their own, even in the "love paths".

2 - all male characters are written to either make Ian look better in comparison (all the loser friends) or like a beta cuck (all the "alpha" fuckboys), depending on what you're into. That's their primary purpose, they're not really written to be three-dimensional characters or compelling love interests on their own.

Very true. In fact, in the scene that I was referencing, when Lena meets up with Robert around the corner after her first kiss with Ian, she has the option to either go straight to her apt for sex or to walk with Robert and have an actual conversation. It seemed like she was trying to have a real relationship with him instead of just using him as her fuck toy. Even if you choose that option she still ends up using him as her fuck toy.

 

[JoeSte91]

To be fair, i think that some of the sex scenes actually add a lot to the narrative at certain points. Like that scene with Ian punishing Lena, e.g.? Not only it's fire, but it also shows very well how the whole cheating thing has affected their relationship going forward, as well as Ian's (and Lena's) feelings at the moment. Same for the trinity scene and some others, early in the game.

So i don't think it's jarring or that EK's games would necessarily be better if they're made purely sfw. There are some sex scenes which wouldn't make difference if they're removed, but overall i think EK's games would do better as equivalent of those romance novels, which do include some sex at the end of the day. It's just not main focus.

Some sex scenes add to the narrative, some don't. There's also a lot of times where ORS feels like a romance story that just allows the scene to continue without a fade to black, and in those moments, yeah it all aligns and it is great. But it's not an even spread across the board for all characters and all relationships.

 

[maelontuchanka]

Is it possible for Lena and Ian to be in an actual relationship and have Lena still cheat on him with other men? The option grays out for me when they make it official in the park and they just become casual hookups when I have Lena interested in Jeremy. Is there no way for her to cheat with Jeremy while being Ian's girlfriend?

 

[ffive]

Is there no way for her to cheat with Jeremy while being Ian's girlfriend?

Jeremy is sort of exception to the overall rule. If Lena gets sexual with him, she won't be interested in relationship with Ian.

You'll need to hold your horses until later in the game, if you can only be satisfied with illicit BBC use.

 

[russelld]

Is it possible for Lena and Ian to be in an actual relationship and have Lena still cheat on him with other men? The option grays out for me when they make it official in the park and they just become casual hookups when I have Lena interested in Jeremy. Is there no way for her to cheat with Jeremy while being Ian's girlfriend?

She can cheat with Axel at the photo shoot (when Ivy fails to show up and also when she misses her train to Perry's beachhouse) and then when she's working at Blazers she can cheat with Marcel, Axel, and/or Jack. Then also with Seymour in Italy as well. Jeremy won't work since if she woke him up in Louise's bed, then she won't get involved seriously with Ian.

 

[ffive]

She can cheat with Axel at the photo shoot (when Ivy fails to show up and also when she misses her train to Perry's beachhouse) and then when she's working at Blazers she can cheat with Marcel, Axel, and/or Jack. Then also with Seymour in Italy as well. Jeremy won't work since if she woke him up in Louise's bed, then she won't get involved seriously with Ian.

To add to this, Lena can also cheat with Mike and/or, if you really hate yourself, Robert. Also Mark, i think?

 

[maelontuchanka]

She can cheat with Axel at the photo shoot (when Ivy fails to show up and also when she misses her train to Perry's beachhouse) and then when she's working at Blazers she can cheat with Marcel, Axel, and/or Jack. Then also with Seymour in Italy as well. Jeremy won't work since if she woke him up in Louise's bed, then she won't get involved seriously with Ian.

damn those are some underwhelming options. Cheating with Jeremy seems the spiciest one since Jeremey is Ian's friend. None of the ones you mentioned idt Ian even cares. Such a bummer if it's limited to just that.

 

[ffive]

damn those are some underwhelming options. Cheating with Jeremy seems the spiciest one since Jeremey is Ian's friend. None of the ones you mentioned idt Ian even cares. Such a bummer if it's limited to just that.

Ian takes it quite personally if Lena fucks Robert, for what little it's worth.

(there's also fan theory that Mike is the guy Ian's former girlfriend Gillian cheated on him with, and her current boyfriend. Although that one has yet to be resolved one way or the other)

 

[colombianhoes]

Can Ian be with Holly meanwhile she is a slut and blows glory holes

 

[FugginDamaged]

i wanted to add my two cents to the conversation of patches and this one specifically i liked the scenes and i felt like they were really good, but i also felt like we just jumped for one scene to the next and like i get it if the author's intention was to tie up loose ends, but this also stops us from getting interactions that could possibly lead to something bigger later, so i hope I'm wrong bc this is indeed just the beta still but anyway...

 

[russelld]

Ian takes it quite personally if Lena fucks Robert, for what little it's worth.

(there's also fan theory that Mike is the guy Ian's former girlfriend Gillian cheated on him with, and her current boyfriend. Although that one has yet to be resolved one way or the other)

For what it's worth, in the new update if she's on the cheating path and Ian hasn't dumped her yet, Lena will fuck Robert as well. When Robert asks her if she's dating Ian she shuts him up and tells him it's none of his business. So yes, she will cheat with Robert as well.

 

[russelld]

To add to this, Lena can also cheat with Mike and/or, if you really hate yourself, Robert. Also Mark, i think?

She won't cheat with Mike. At the scene at Blazer's, she's pissed at Mike and Ivy for having an affair behind her back. Mark is only an option if she's not seriously dating Ian. So at Blazer's where most of the cheating can take place it's either Marcel and/or Axel and/or Jack. And like I mentioned earlier, if Ian decides to keep quiet about her cheating when he sees her at the beach house, then she can call Robert in the new update and have sex with him as well.

 

[russelld]

She can cheat with Axel at the photo shoot (when Ivy fails to show up and also when she misses her train to Perry's beachhouse) and then when she's working at Blazers she can cheat with Marcel, Axel, and/or Jack. Then also with Seymour in Italy as well. Jeremy won't work since if she woke him up in Louise's bed, then she won't get involved seriously with Ian.

As you can tell, Jeremy is a real creep towards Lena. Lena protects him by not informing Louise about his flirtations with Ivy. Nevertheless, he immediately throws her under the bus after the Blazer's scene and tells Ian that she's cheating on him.

 

[ffive]

She won't cheat with Mike.

Lena can cheat on Ian with Mike from Ch.10 onwards, if she's fucked him before and had a fight with Ian:

    if lena_mike_dating:
//...
        menu:
            "{image=icon_lust.webp}Call Mike over":
//...
                    $ v10_mike_sex = True
                    if ian_lena_couple:
                        $ lena_cheating = True

 

[russelld]

Lena can cheat on Ian with Mike from Ch.10 onwards, if she's fucked him before and had a fight with Ian:

    if lena_mike_dating:
//...
        menu:
            "{image=icon_lust.webp}Call Mike over":
//...
                    $ v10_mike_sex = True
                    if ian_lena_couple:
                        $ lena_cheating = True

If she has a fight with Ian that means they are not dating anymore. That doesn't count. Yes, when they have an argument outside of Blazer's about her Stalkfap, Ian leaves (they break up and never get back together) and she goes back inside and fucks Mike in the bathroom. That doesn't count as cheating.

 

[ffive]

If she has a fight with Ian that means they are not dating anymore. That doesn't count. Yes, when they have an argument outside of Blazer's about her Stalkfap, Ian leaves (they break up and never get back together) and she goes back inside and fucks Mike in the bathroom. That doesn't count as cheating.

You are arguing with quite literally the game's author, because it's EK who flags this as cheating in the game's script. When Lena and Ian have a fight that's just that, a fight between people who are in relationship. Lena acknowledged herself in her internal monologues that by fucking Mike she is cheating on Ian, but she is so pissed off at Ian that she does not care.

Ian and Lena most certainly can get back together after that fight, it's nothing like "they never get back together".

 

[Saerwen]

You are arguing with quite literally the game's author, because it's EK who flags this as cheating in the game's script. When Lena and Ian have a fight that's just that, a fight between people who are in relationship. Lena acknowledged herself in her internal monologues that by fucking Mike she is cheating on Ian, but she is so pissed off at Ian that she does not care.

Ian and Lena most certainly can get back together after that fight, it's nothing like "they never get back together".

It's kinda like that famous Ross-Rachel dilemma were they on a break or not/did Ross cheated or not.

 

[ffive]

It's kinda like that famous Ross-Rachel dilemma were they on a break or not/did Ross cheated or not.

Lena: "WE WERE ON A BREAK!"