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LaVinotinto

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But wouldn't that mean Cindy's canon path is the sluttiness one that Axel draws her down? Since Ian would be currently occupied and unable to be the loving rebound to keep her off that path?
Probably, but it's subjective. In my opinion, the ideal thing is for Ian (if you're into Holly Trinity) to help Wade not give up on Cindy, and for that to influence their relationship in future episodes.
 

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Eva has some... interesting views. I've still entirely forgiven them for having Jasmine from GGGB be a weird amalgamation of TERF tropes: Transwomen as looming muscular criminals who spend their time molesting cis women in changing rooms.
The sad part is that by slightly modifying her introduction Eva had a real winner with Jasmine.

Probably, but it's subjective. In my opinion, the ideal thing is for Ian (if you're into Holly Trinity) to help Wade not give up on Cindy, and for that to influence their relationship in future episodes.
Since getting with Cindy blocks Alison's love route my "canon" save is Ian trying to help Wade with the relationship while supporting Cindy. Gotta keep her away from that pos Axel.
 

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IDK about y'all, but I find it amusing that only Ian calls Lena out about her infidelity, trust breaking etc., and not the other way around! Especially when both my MCs are fucking everything that moves in FWB path.

Like I get that wee can see Ian's inner thoughts about the matter, with him acknowledging to be no angel either. Therefore, there has to be repercussions that go both ways. Otherwise it feels like a double standard to me.

Does it make any sense to y'all?
 

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So ffive I'm curious, you say that this combination wasn't achievable with Lena and Holly having had sex before. I presume this means, I can't recall what you pointed out in pages back, that this blocks off the point where Lena can tell her to give Mark a chance, correct? I always start Holly/Lena at its earliers opportunity, but do you know if it can be initated later? I'm curious if one could perhaps get Lena and Holly involved after this point, but I would presume that any such options, for example taking pics of her in Lena's room, requires them to already be involved.
Re-checking the script, i think it may actually be possible to still follow the initial outline, just with some small tweak: instead of interrupting Holly and Mark when they talk, pick "Leave them to it". This will advance holly_change by 1, but leave holly_guy at 1. If the resulting change is less than 5, you can still "Let Holly decide" in the follow-up discussion and she won't yet feel ready to hook up with Mark. You can then proceed with the blowjob etc as normal.
 
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Probably, but it's subjective. In my opinion, the ideal thing is for Ian (if you're into Holly Trinity) to help Wade not give up on Cindy, and for that to influence their relationship in future episodes.
I think the good path is getting Wade to accept the relationship is over and break up with Cindy. Maybe that could end with a reconciliation in late game after Cindy gets her modeling career fucked over. Or Wade will end up as a pro player with some egirl.

Regarding this, about a week ago I encountered something that I'm not sure if it's a bug or it's intended but I just forgot to put it here till now:

Python:
if holly_trinity == 2 or lena_holly_dating or (ian_lena_pure and ian_lena_3some == False) or (ian_lena_couple and ian_lena_open != "lena" and ian_lena_open != "ian"):
    jump v13emmadateend
So that confirms what you said that if relationship Lena/Holly or trinity, sex with Emma doesn't happen. Also if Lena and Ian are in a serious relationship and didn't already have a threesome with Louise, sex doesn't happen either, which makes sense. The part that I'm not sure if it's a bug is that if you have an open relationship since the beginning (ian_lena_open = True), sex doesn't happen. You need to have the relationship opened during the beach trip crisis.
Further testing this, I think there's another issue with that check. If Ian and Lena are in the pure path and have had the threesome with Louise, the (ian_lena_pure and ian_lena_3some == False) condition for not having sex with Emma is false but as the check is an OR, you don't get sex with Emma because the last condition would be true as ian_lena_couple is true and they are not in an open relationship.

I would suggest removing the ian_lena_couple in the last check as it's redundant because ian_lena_open can't have any other value other than false if Ian and Lena are not a couple:

Python:
if holly_trinity == 2 or lena_holly_dating or (ian_lena_pure and ian_lena_3some == False) or ( ian_lena_open and ian_lena_open != "lena" and ian_lena_open != "ian"):
    jump v13emmadateend
Maybe even separating each condition with several "else if" would be the best solution to make the code cleaner an easier to read:

Python:
if holly_trinity == 2
    jump v13emmadateend
elif lena_holly_dating
    jump v13emmadataend
elif ian_lena_pure and ian_lena_3some == False
    jump v13emmadataend
elif ian_lena_open and ian_lena_open != "lena" and ian_lena_open != "ian"
    jump v13emmadataend
else
    go to sex with Emma
 
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Further testing this, I think there's another issue with that check. If Ian and Lena are in the pure path and have had the threesome with Louise, the (ian_lena_pure and ian_lena_3some == False) condition for not having sex with Emma is false but as the check is an OR, you don't get sex with Emma because the last condition would be true as ian_lena_couple is true and they are not in an open relationship.
IIRC this was reported earlier, since i pretty much ran into that bug face-first. So, there's some chance this was fixed in more recent builds EK is now working on.
 
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IIRC this was reported earlier, since i pretty much ran into that bug face-first. So, there's some chance this was fixed in more recent builds EK is now working on.
Cool, it's a difficult if to write mixing conditions from completely different paths and checking for the negative result instead of the positive. Every dev has their quirks with these things but I think losing a bit of elegance with some extra lines instead of a single one it's worthy for the improvement on cleanliness and readibility. Specially when you have to go back to the code months after writing it for some maintenance or refactoring, I have cursed myself (and others) several times when I found myself in that situation :D.
 

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Eva has some... interesting views. I've still entirely forgiven them for having Jasmine from GGGB be a weird amalgamation of TERF tropes: Transwomen as looming muscular criminals who spend their time molesting cis women in changing rooms.
i have to be honest jasmine was good:love::love:i liked her

but I guess too much backlash from anti woke culture warrios:poop: and twitter/reddit (communist) that think (toxic sterotyps) in her community


sad I think jasmine was LIT

but I guess we will never see her again
 

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Eva has some... interesting views. I've still entirely forgiven them for having Jasmine from GGGB be a weird amalgamation of TERF tropes: Transwomen as looming muscular criminals who spend their time molesting cis women in changing rooms.
The first time I played the game, that scene made me uncomfortable and it's the reason I dropped the game.
 
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In her defense. EK never really wanted to touch Jasmine as they weren't comfortable doing a trans character in the first place. It was a capitulation to their patrons, and I would have to imagine that most of those TERF tropes came from them and not necessarily EK. EK has said they won't be doing trans characters again.
Hmm... possibly. I haven't even been on the Discord so I don't know what Eva was told about Jasmine but Jasmine behaves more like a figment of conservative fever dreams than something out of porn.
 
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That whole drug dealing mamacita route was cringe as fuck, too imo. I don´t remember the details, only played GGGB well after it was completed but there was talk, this Jasmine character got added in late. A high tier patron basically throwing money at Eva to do it? If true it might explain that one, to a degree at least.
I agree with everything you said... I am glad that Jasmine got a shot at redemption and I think her character was complicated and made more nuanced by the GGGB DLC.

The drug-dealing stuff was indeed super-cringe and out of pocket... I'm pretty sure that they don't put you in charge of a gang because you let the entire game run a train on you.
 

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Hmm... possibly. I haven't even been on the Discord so I don't know what Eva was told about Jasmine but Jasmine behaves more like a figment of conservative fever dreams than something out of porn.
I agree with you entirely. I didn't say it was a strong defense, just that EK has discussed that it wasn't something they were particularly comfortable doing in the first place.

I don't really like Jasmine's character either for most of the game. The love ending is nice, but we as players have to wade through a lot of uncomfortable situations with Jasmine to get to that.
 
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IDK about y'all, but I find it amusing that only Ian calls Lena out about her infidelity, trust breaking etc., and not the other way around! Especially when both my MCs are fucking everything that moves in FWB path.

Like I get that wee can see Ian's inner thoughts about the matter, with him acknowledging to be no angel either. Therefore, there has to be repercussions that go both ways. Otherwise it feels like a double standard to me.

Does it make any sense to y'all?
Lena can ask about Cindy and can break up with him.
Ian can also cheat on Lena with Alison, Minerva, Bad Jess, and potentially Louise and Ivy. Its likely that Lena can discover this and likely breaks up with him. Or Ian can hide it well or he can decide to break up with her because he is a cheater and feels guilty.
 

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sorry to annoy u again with my question. If i readed well the game walkthrough

If ian are in couple with lena,alison will break up with him no? I remember in one my old save he is in love/couple with lena
 
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I think part of the reason here is that GGGB has female protagonist, while most of the futa femdom games you mention have male MC on the receiving end of their behavior. So these changes allow Jasmine to approach and interact with Ashley... with all the unfortunate baggage that comes with it.

I've got similarly negative reaction to how Jasmine was presented in GGGB, but i don't think this was entirely intentional. Not that it really helps.
You are right, but almost every character in the game is negatively portrayed, Dave and Eric being kind of the only exceptions. The game is almost nothing but stereotypes and racial fetishization.
 

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So, if Eva add any sexual scene or a route with Ed, what would you like to see more? What kind of a dynamic between him and Lena could be interesting?
 
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sorry to annoy u again with my question. If i readed well the game walkthrough

If ian are in couple with lena,alison will break up with him no?
He will break up with Alison in chapter 10 automatically.
He can cheat on Lena with Alison starting in chapter 11. Alison seems fine with being his sidething on that route.

So, if Eva add Ed's any scene with him or a route, what would you like to see? What kind of a dynamic between them could be interesting?
Mostly a logical continuation of what was already implemented and removed. Ed is interested in her model career and his artistic talent is shown, possibly by paintig her. It can be a typical work affair akin to Ian-Minerva, them fucking behind their customers and Mollys/Arnolds eyes. Another weird take would be Mollys infertility and Lena willing to jump in, but frankly, they seem to old to start having children know. Molly can also die and Lena can comfort Ed.
 
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