VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[varpep]

True, we don't workout for attention. For most of us gym bros, it's like a ritual we follow to discipline ourselves; how far can we push and how far till we break. Most of us have their own demons to fight and not worry about how the people of the opposite sex would perceive us, that's like the least of our concern.

The people you see on social media are just minorities and they don't represent our gym culture. Getting attention is the side effect of chasing fitness as I see it.

Tbh, it's mostly the dudes who'll compliment you, not the girls.

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[SearingFive]

bro it ain't that deep. ngl this reads like some gen Z gym motivation short on yt or tiktok

Most dudes don't got no demons they're fighting out while doing 20lbs dumbbell press. they tryna look good at the beach to get the occasional baddie.

People are shallow and that's fine. No need for some grandiose reason to lift some weights 3 days a week lol


That I agree on. Then again most dudes still operate under the assumption that girls will like their physiques still.

Bro, chasing baddies lasts a summer. Chasing discipline lasts a lifetime. Yeah, you’re right; all those 5am lifters in the dead of winter are definitely just hoping a bikini model strolls past the squat rack.

 

[Saerwen]

This applies to girls too btw.

Of course, those tits and ass shots isn't to show the progress of "working out".

True, we don't workout for attention.

The best kind of erotica for women though.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

Bro, chasing baddies lasts a summer. Chasing discipline lasts a lifetime. Yeah, you’re right; all those 5am lifters in the dead of winter are definitely just hoping a bikini model strolls past the squat rack.

Thankfully you live through a lifetime worth of summers where you get to show off the results of your demon fighting

Oh and you can workout at 5-6AM because it fits your work schedule or hate overcrowded gyms. Doesn't mean you're fighting no demon.

You're trying too hard to give meaning and depth to the most basic activity.

The best kind of erotica for women though.

The male equivalent of the 'humble' woman who somehow lived all her life not knowing she's gorgeous.

 

[Private West]

Hey, guys, when EK's gonna release full 14.1 update? The last days of August or maybe in the beginning of September?

 

[falsapersona]

True, we don't workout for attention. For most of us gym bros, it's like a ritual we follow to discipline ourselves; how far can we push and how far till we break. Most of us have their own demons to fight and not worry about how the people of the opposite sex would perceive us, that's like the least of our concern.

The people you see on social media are just minorities and they don't represent our gym culture. Getting attention is the side effect of chasing fitness as I see it.

Tbh, it's mostly the dudes who'll compliment you, not the girls.

Sorry bro, but I don't buy it. You want to exorcise your demons, you sign for a contact sport that is a way more fit outlet. That way, you manage to get a good sweat, get a healthy discharge of the extra aggressiveness, and you build camaraderie with your fellow teammates, and leave the gym as an option for when the schedule doesn't allow going outside when the sun is up to get some fresh air

If you like the gym more than sports, that is fair when you find something that clicks with you, you just know it, but that is more an outlier behaviour. Generally, people go to the gym to look more attractive, and at the doctor's recommendation

 

[Gicoo]

The conversation about the purpose of going to the gym in general drifted away from the original argument, that Stan isn't becoming a man just because he hits the gym - which he doesn't do it on his own resolution to build discipline and confidence, but because the girl he wants to fuck suggested it to him, so he just does it to impress her.

He may get a six-pack, but he remains socially inept, dependent on girls, unconfident, incel-like, ugly (face, haircut, clothes) and uncharismatic. He expects hitting the gym magically becoming a better person, when its just one of a dozen steps to change your lifestyle. Once he gets rejected again, he will be immediately pissed about it that he didn't got it despite him trying.

Ian can go to the gym and while the girls compliment him, he can also not go to the gym and they can fall in love for him anyway. Because hitting the gym can only do so much to build character and attractiveness required for a long term relationship. The girls aren't attracted to Ian because he hits the gym and can beat up other rivals, its because he is well-adjusted, socially, witty, and coming out of his depression becoming more and more confident in all aspects in his life - friends, career, hobby.

 

[Saerwen]

The conversation about the purpose of going to the gym in general drifted away from the original argument, that Stan isn't becoming a man just because he hits the gym - which he doesn't do it on his own resolution to build discipline and confidence, but because the girl he wants to fuck suggested it to him, so he just does it to impress her.

He may get a six-pack, but he remains socially inept, dependent on girls, unconfident, incel-like, ugly (face, haircut, clothes) and uncharismatic. He expects hitting the gym magically becoming a better person, when its just one of a dozen steps to change your lifestyle. Once he gets rejected again, he will be immediately pissed about it that he didn't got it despite him trying.

Ian can go to the gym and while the girls compliment him, he can also not go to the gym and they can fall in love for him anyway. Because hitting the gym can only do so much to build character and attractiveness required for a long term relationship. The girls aren't attracted to Ian because he hits the gym and can beat up other rivals, its because he is well-adjusted, socially, witty, and coming out of his depression becoming more and more confident in all aspects in his life - friends, career, hobby.

Girls are attracted to Ian because he's good looking in general. His hobbies aren't extravagant but he's a nice guy and good in bed. Ian is a dream guy in one.

 

[ffive]

The conversation about the purpose of going to the gym in general drifted away from the original argument, that Stan isn't becoming a man just because he hits the gym - which he doesn't do it on his own resolution to build discipline and confidence, but because the girl he wants to fuck suggested it to him, so he just does it to impress her.

I mean, it's still kind of relevant because the original premise presented here is that doing gym to impress others "doesn't make Stan a man" when in reality this is very much regular male behavior. In this sense it doesn't mean "Stan doesn't become a man" if he does it -- he'd be in fact doing a normal male thing. As opposed to staying holed up in his room the entire time (and likely bitching on web forums how no woman appreciates him)

I think there's a mistake here of lionizing "doing gym for right reasons" as if that's supposedly the only thing women would appreciate in a man, and that it's somehow something that makes men "true" which is basically just a Scotsman fallacy. When in reality, while that's a bonus, so is not looking like a walking tub of lard. Something Stan can achieve regardless if he's on a self-induced path of improvement or simply because he wants to impress others.

 

[Gicoo]

Girls are attracted to Ian because he's good looking in general. His hobbies aren't extravagant but he's a nice guy and good in bed. Ian is a dream guy in one.

Sure. It additionally has to do that he is creative and leaves a foot print in the world, so to speak. There is a reason to interact with him, because he has his own ideas and identity. Stan is just consuming stuff other people created. He doesn't have anything original to say or contribute that other people couldn't do as well.

 

[ffive]

Stan is just consuming stuff other people created. He doesn't have anything original to say or contribute that other people couldn't do as well.

Pfft you're just saying this because you haven't read his treatise on the qualities of Tali's sweat he had produced on BioWare forum.

 

[exazubi]

The conversation about the purpose of going to the gym in general drifted away from the original argument, that Stan isn't becoming a man just because he hits the gym - which he doesn't do it on his own resolution to build discipline and confidence, but because the girl he wants to fuck suggested it to him, so he just does it to impress her.

He may get a six-pack, but he remains socially inept, dependent on girls, unconfident, incel-like, ugly (face, haircut, clothes) and uncharismatic. He expects hitting the gym magically becoming a better person, when its just one of a dozen steps to change your lifestyle. Once he gets rejected again, he will be immediately pissed about it that he didn't got it despite him trying.

Ian can go to the gym and while the girls compliment him, he can also not go to the gym and they can fall in love for him anyway. Because hitting the gym can only do so much to build character and attractiveness required for a long term relationship. The girls aren't attracted to Ian because he hits the gym and can beat up other rivals, its because he is well-adjusted, socially, witty, and coming out of his depression becoming more and more confident in all aspects in his life - friends, career, hobby.

That's all true. Stan needs a change of type to appeal to women. That applies to his body as well as his personality. I wasn't exactly beautiful at his age either. And I am sure I am not the big exception. This changes later, also through the decision to make something of my type. And today I'm 46, married, in a relationship for 27 years, married for 12 of those years, two children, a good job, everything is fine. So, it's all possible, even for a guy like Stan.

I didn't do it that way, but going to the gym is definitely not the worst way to start. Sure, you can't really achieve much there at first; a good body doesn't develop overnight. But it's also not bad for developing your social skills. Because you have to have the courage to go there first. You can definitely train a bit of courage that way. And it's perhaps not the worst place to meet people either. So, it's certainly not the worst place to go, no matter what motivation brings you there.

 

[Gicoo]

Pfft you're just saying this because you haven't read his treatise on the qualities of Tali's sweat he had produced on BioWare forum.

Imagine he would make video games (and for the sake of the argument decent ones). That would make him far more interesting and he had a lot more to talk about.

 

[ffive]

Imagine he would make video games (and for the sake of the argument decent ones). That would make him far more interesting and he had a lot more to talk about.

To be honest, i'm not sure if that'd really help, because --i'm trying to be objective here-- i feel that most of the stuff game devs get involved in and may want to talk about are very opaque to people who lack any first-hand experience. It'd probably isolate him even more from anyone not familiar with those subjects.

Ironically, he's already has a hobby that's fairly easy to show off and for other people to connect with, and that's photography. He just lacks social skills to interact with people and share that interest.

 

[SearingFive]

Yeah, this nails it. This was the point before we got lost in “bro just lift for baddies” land.

Stan hitting the gym because a girl told him to is like grinding XP in the wrong skill tree; yeah, the number goes up, but you’re still useless in the boss fight.

Ian’s proof that charisma, confidence, and actually having a life outside of the weight rack pull way more aggro than just showing off a six-pack. The gym’s a solid buff, but it’s not the main quest.

Otherwise, you’re basically the same NPC… just with higher-resolution biceps.

 

[dolfe67]

If ORS only had Lena as MC, I'm 100% sure it'd be less popular.

You mean like GGGB? That one with ORS "graphics" would be more popular.

Would it be more popular with only male MC? I don't really know, but probably yes knowing those games' audience. Though Ian is not "chad" enough for them

 

[dolfe67]

Yeah, this nails it. This was the point before we got lost in “bro just lift for baddies” land.

Stan hitting the gym because a girl told him to is like grinding XP in the wrong skill tree; yeah, the number goes up, but you’re still useless in the boss fight.

Ian’s proof that charisma, confidence, and actually having a life outside of the weight rack pull way more aggro than just showing off a six-pack. The gym’s a solid buff, but it’s not the main quest.

Otherwise, you’re basically the same NPC… just with higher-resolution biceps.

Yeah so Stan's a lost cause, at least in Lena's league. He has to fish into a lower league, even the bottom one

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

The conversation about the purpose of going to the gym in general drifted away from the original argument, that Stan isn't becoming a man just because he hits the gym - which he doesn't do it on his own resolution to build discipline and confidence, but because the girl he wants to fuck suggested it to him, so he just does it to impress her.

It is still perfectly relevant, though. Whether he starts training for "himself" or to attract girls, he (or a real life equivalent of Stan) is still going to build resolution and confidence. That's the point of lifting. It's the only habit you pursue which has a clear cut effects on your body based on consistency and progression alone. That's why is so damn popular.

That's not even talking about the effect of actively going to the gym, putting yourself out there and getting used to being in public and awkward positions for social skills in general.

Lifting is a solid waypoint to have in your life and to fall back on at almost any point.

Sure. It additionally has to do that he is creative and leaves a foot print in the world, so to speak. There is a reason to interact with him, because he has his own ideas and identity. Stan is just consuming stuff other people created. He doesn't have anything original to say or contribute that other people couldn't do as well.

There are uber drivers who get laid by clapping their fingers and they only leave a carbon footprint to the world.

I doubt Stan being 'creative' and passionate about some fancy ass topic will make him more suitable as a date than not looking like a slime and smelling like one.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

You mean like GGGB? That one with ORS "graphics" would be more popular.

Sure, it would be popular to the niche audience into niche fetishes that GGGB heavily emphasizes.

Though I'd argue that to the general populace that plays the 4-5 big AVNs with a yearly update? I truly believe Ian-only ORS outsells Lena-only ORS.

But yeah... All hypotheticals.

 

[ffive]

Yeah so Stan's a lost cause, at least in Lena's league. He has to fish into a lower league, even the bottom one

Maybe he'll catch Minerva's eye on one of those gym trips. She'd probably appreciate another boy toy to step on.