Blurpee69

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Of course, then came the what I call the Robert flanderisation
A lot of characters have ended up this way. Moving from complex, interesting, characters to more one dimensional cutouts. The fact of the matter is it is easier to write characters this way. When trying to juggle as many variables as this game has flanderizing the characters is an easy corner to cut to keep them consistent across all the other variables.

Robert has actually been the most consistent in all honesty, especially in comparison to Ivy, Louise, Stan, and Allison. Even in the early development of ORS he was at best described as a ok one night stand type of fuck by Lena. Lena has also consistently held the belief that he's not particularly improved at giving her pleasure either. He's always been portrayed as a somewhat pathetic character who thinks he's more important than he is. He is slightly above average in many things; looks, self defense, and income; but it's also been clear that he is a charisma vacuum, not particularly intelligent, and that he doesn't have much in the way of mobility.

Compare that to Ivy. She used to be the slut with the heart of gold. Tried to do right by Lena and Holly, but has not become a manipulator and dragging those girls down. Allison's loving path as you said used to be interesting, but then became a repetitive: complains about work > fuck me > ignores clear signs of affection > laments that they're not a couple. I think the foundation of a good genuine romance is there, but there probably should have been more of a progression in their relationship by now. Basically where Cindy and Ian are is where Allison and Ian should also be, probably even more so, since Allison doesn't have to worry about breaking up with someone else.
 

Yellowie The Goldie

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Compare that to Ivy. She used to be the slut with the heart of gold. Tried to do right by Lena and Holly, but has not become a manipulator and dragging those girls down.
Heart of gold? She was shitting on Miranda for trying to keep in shape and do pole dancing. And Lena can join in on the shit talk as well, which also has a variable added in for some reason.

Upon being aware that Jeremy is taken by Louise, she doesn't really care about it and uses it to keep Jeremy chasing her. Having no intention of ultimately refusing to do something with him, just leading him on to make him suffer.

I think the problem here is that a lot of characters have gradually changed for the better, or worse. Ivy, being who she is: changed for the worse. We don't know what sort of company she keeps most of the time, excluding Axel. The fact that she's all in on doing stupid shit like drunk driving or doing drugs (not even THAT super far ahead in the story) is...well, let's face it: pretty fucking stupid.

Also, we can easily argue that her trying her best to push Lena into doing ORS version of OnlyFans is dragging Lena down. Because guess what? That can actually lead her down a bad path in terms of reputation, being known as a whore does not look good on your resume. It's 9/10 negatively impacting one's career prospects. (Source: actual OF girls irl getting exposed and fired from their jobs)

The issue with Ivy is that while Lena is degrading/upgrading in terms of her character during the story, Ivy is constantly degrading in her path of depravity. Her turning Holly into a full-on town bicycle is just a reflection of that, and guess what? Ivy participates in that as well. What do you think that says about her, as a person?
 
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- "Proximity/history really matters to make Ian's encounters feel 'interesting' and rewarding to pursue as a player. If Louise was just a random bitch Ian meets at the pub instead of Lena's close friend and Jeremy's 'ex', nobody would give a fuck about that encounter."

and a random fuckboy for lena is somehow more interesting?
i'm sure that nobody will throw a tantrum should john never appear on screen again, but people will still like it that john appeared in the first place. the reason for that can be many. one which is most likely the main one, is to make lena slutty.
so the reason why john appears and how interesting he is, has nothing to do what makes his encounter interesting in the slightest.
what this means is that for random bitches for ian, one would just have to write a compelling encounter for her. for example jess didn't have to be jess. she could have just been a random and new to the franchise, porn star meetup and work as impressing jeremy, maybe axel, or create drama for existing relationships of ian. there are a myriad of options that would have worked and there are still a myriad of options to include new random encounters in the future.
in all fairness proximity/history are not needed to make it interesting (at most it is your preference).

- "Extremely attractive male MC who does have it easy by virtue of looking good won't be relatable."

that's the thing. male protagonists are never relateable to me for obvious reasons.
but sure, maybe that just means i am not the target group for this game. though honestly i also never looked at lena and thought "wow! she is just like me!"
generally speaking a character will always have features you won't be able to identify yourself with. and you cannot tell me that a character becomes likeable the more akin they are to me. you don't even know if i like myself!

that's another thing i don't get. in games like MMOs some guys always argue that they can't play female characters, because they are not girls and can only play as themselves. and others can't play male characters because they rather want girl's asses bounce in front of them.
is it so bizzare to play as a character with a defined story? i never play myself in games. i am myself my whole life, why would i want in my hobby of escapism to be myself?
or looking at it from a different perspective. are games with cardboard cutout nobodies as protagonists insulting me? "here look at this entity with no character, no personality and no redeeming quality! that is basically you!" well thanks!

tl;dr: there is no reason to make the protagonist relateable to the player, as a) it is impossible to relate to every player and b) otherwise power fantasies wouldn't work ever, as for example Doom as nobody is like the doom slayer.
This is far too juicy for me to reply during my break.

Gimme a few hours and I'll respond properly as well as explain why Rob is best boy. :BootyTime:
 

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Heart of gold? She was shitting on Miranda for trying to keep in shape and do pole dancing. And Lena can join in on the shit talk as well, which also has a variable added in for some reason.

Upon being aware that Jeremy is taken by Louise, she doesn't really care about it and uses it to keep Jeremy chasing her. Having no intention of ultimately refusing to do something with him, just leading him on to make him suffer.

I think the problem here is that a lot of characters have gradually changed for the better, or worse. Ivy, being who she is: changed for the worse. We don't know what sort of company she keeps most of the time, excluding Axel. The fact that she's all in on doing stupid shit like drunk driving or doing drugs (not even THAT super far ahead in the story) is...well, let's face it: pretty fucking stupid.

Also, we can easily argue that her trying her best to push Lena into doing ORS version of OnlyFans is dragging Lena down. Because guess what? That can actually lead her down a bad path in terms of reputation, being known as a whore does not look good on your resume. It's 9/10 negatively impacting one's career prospects. (Source: actual OF girls irl getting exposed and fired from their jobs)

The issue with Ivy is that while Lena is degrading/upgrading in terms of her character during the story, Ivy is constantly degrading in her path of depravity. Her turning Holly into a full-on town bicycle is just a reflection of that, and guess what? Ivy participates in that as well. What do you think that says about her, as a person?
I would add that Ivy is a danger to anyone who gets close to her. She is corrupting Holly in a way that is neither friendly nor healthy and will try to introduce both Holly and Lena to drugs while she is clearly showing no self-control whatsoever. Ivy is on a crash course to some major drama, and it's better not to be dragged into it with her.
 

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The best reaction to scamming and lazy developers like Eva Kiss My Ass is to share the update here just minutes after it is released. This, of course, assuming that an update is actually released and the game is not on track to be abandoned, as it seems increasingly likely.
 
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It's embarrassing if Eva actually pushes the update to October on purpose to get the extra bag after all the delays and false promises. How many people became a member in September on her patreon thinking that they will play the update in that period of time?! Not cool..
No one knows what happened. It is like Eva is turning into stoper and L&P.
 

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If you are subscribing for a particular update of a game, never do it before it has been released. Just wait until the Patreon tier you would want gets the update and do it then.
 

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Ivy is objectively a horrible person. A lot of people including myself thought she would be the Jess of ORS but there’s no fixing this bitch.
Yeah, I have a feeling that the player (through Lena) will have a choice in either enabling her behaviour and gaining points, or bringing her back down to earth at the cost of their friendship. She literally hops on the train with Billy's modelling gig without even knowing anything about him. Where he goes, what he does, how he gets his money, who his friends are, what his long-term plan is. Just recklessly spontaneous with a stranger that just happens to be friends with Jeremy.

Now I'm not saying Billy is evil, but it sounds like he's from a "rich kid" background who has a lot of money to spend. That is not a good introduction to a guy who is starting up a new business in an old, exclusive af industry, it's guaranteed to fail no matter what: he's got no infrastructure, no foundations. And Lena can actually dig in and ask some basic questions that already paint a bad light on it.

And Ivy is too ambitious and greedy to become a model to care. And while I know Ivy isn't completely stupid, let's not pretend as if she's smart either.
 
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I have already started spraying on Patreon, can't I tolerate others deceiving me? There are still a bunch of licking dogs on DC trying to protect her
 

Chemish

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Eva Kiss has been online in her Discord server pretty much all day yesterday and today. My guess is she's playtesting the update with her testers, but we'll see.
 
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I have already started spraying on Patreon, can't I tolerate others deceiving me? There are still a bunch of licking dogs on DC trying to protect her
There's no need to go beg her, Weidong. Just cancel the renewal of your sub and get it for free here when it's released. The delay and deception sucks, but you can just treat the whole thing as a one time donation as an appreciation for the time you've had with the game and play it for free going forward. Even if it does release in October, you don't have to pay a second time. Not worth getting anxious over it.
 
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