VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

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BlandChili said:
Is this a reply to me? I don't believe I brought up Lena/Axel or cuck Ian on the Alison voyeur route.

I don't think it's weird at all. Lots of people like playing as the opposite sex without it having anything to do with a skewed sense of sexuality.

Sure, like I said I play Lena in a way that conforms somewhat with my own sexuality, the same was the case with Ash generally. That doesn't mean I can't veer off to explore other content, I did that in GGGB too, but I find little desire to do so in ORS.

But isn't that in of itself sexualising them in a way? Do you recall real life in regards to your straight friends when you play straight content? Relationships come in all kinds of versions, abusive, loving, distant, regardless of the sexualities and individuals involved after all. Lesbian relationships aren't that different to those experienced by straight couples or gay ones.
I've never really thought about other people that I know when I play these kinds of games. My partner maybe or myself if a character reminds me of either of us, or they share a kink with us, but otherwise not. I've always liked role-playing games because I can get to play around with morals, virtues and other ways of expression, even if they mostly conform to my actual personal views and interests.
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I brought up my Axel/Lena save in the sense that it is one route I have saved that does not involve Ian/Lena as a couple.

I agree with what you say about exploring content that does not conform to what one likes in ORS specifically, I think it is one of the weaknesses of the game: until Chapter 9 I was happy to explore other routes, I thought the slut path was good and the cuck path was promising. But then, from Chapter 10, I got growingly bored with those routes and admittedly quite annoyed by the place they took, especially the slut path.

I am really upset at Eva Kiss for investing so much time and work on the slut path while slowing down on paths I find far more interesting, in my case vanilla Ian/Lena becoming swingers.

As far as reminiscing real life in the porn game one plays, I have to admit I live a different experience than yours, probably not just in games but in all fiction.

First of all, yes, I admit it, I tend to sexualise all the people I know. Not in a desirable manner, more like in a Freudian manner. I'm more of a Jung fan than Freud's, but I admit the latter was right on one point: everything comes down to sex, eventually.

So, yes I sexualize my lesbian friends AND any of my friends, which is completely different from fantasizing about them.

And yes again, in any fiction I relate the story and the characters to my knowledge of real life and real people. I'm sure I'm not the only one in any audience to do so.

I've read sth in an essay about the principles of fiction and story telling, saying that if the Human species have been telling stories to each other since the dawn of time, that is because it is a strategy to approach The Real, the challenges of life, and building a moral compass and creating one's own identity. So, yeah, I do recall real life and real people when I play games, watch and read fiction, and I suspect it is the whole point of the said fiction.

Whilst I agree with you on the immense varieties of possible natures of relationships be them straight, homo, poly or anything, I disagree with the idea that there are no proper characteristics to each of them. I can see common trends in the straight couples I know, which are different from the gay couples I know, and even within the gay couples I know I see trends that are proper to lesbian couples which are different from male gay couples, especially in terms of dynamics. And now that I do know since recently a real trouple (God the guy of the lot is my hero), I see again a new (at least to me) trend of relationship dynamics I had never observed before. I cannot put actual words on it yet tbh. However I can say one thing, credit where it is due: the Holly Trinity is one path Eva Kiss has nailed; from what I have observed IRL Eva Kiss has developed the Holy trinity in a very pertinent way.
 
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Pornstars' talents, what kind of talents do they have?
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Stuff like knitting, crocheting and whittling. There is also world renowned doctor/plumber/astrophysicist/astronaut/teacher/step-dad/preacher/gamer, Johnny Sins! :whistle:
 
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DaLuke2 said:
I agree with what you say about exploring content that does not conform to what one likes in ORS specifically, I think it is one of the weaknesses of the game: until Chapter 9 I was happy to explore other routes, I thought the slut path was good and the cuck path was promising. But then, from Chapter 10, I got growingly bored with those routes and admittedly quite annoyed by the place they took, especially the slut path.
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Curiously it's somewhat the other way around for me, or I guess I've done a flip-flop realy, where I trended more slutty with Lena as development went but have turned back to the more wholesome version again recently. To me it's more the length of the game at this point.
DaLuke2 said:
As far as reminiscing real life in the porn game one plays, I have to admit I live a different experience than yours, probably not just in games but in all fiction.

First of all, yes, I admit it, I tend to sexualise all the people I know. Not in a desirable manner, more like in a Freudian manner. I'm more of a Jung fan than Freud's, but I admit the latter was right on one point: everything comes down to sex, eventually.

So, yes I sexualize my lesbian friends AND any of my friends, which is completely different from fantasizing about them.

And yes again, in any fiction I relate the story and the characters to my knowledge of real life and real people. I'm sure I'm not the only one in any audience to do so.
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I'm pretty confident you are not the only one, people come in all shapes and sizes and personalities after all.
DaLuke2 said:
I've read sth in an essay about the principles of fiction and story telling, saying that if the Human species have been telling stories to each other since the dawn of time, that is because it is a strategy to approach The Real, the challenges of life, and building a moral compass and creating one's own identity. So, yeah, I do recall real life and real people when I play games, watch and read fiction, and I suspect it is the whole point of the said fiction.
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Our histories reference the world we live in, even if the subject is otherworldly and foreign, yeah. I think there's a difference between recognising those connections and actively comparing the content you get involved with to people you know in real life. Not necessarily wrong or right, but I think people can vary somewhat in both what they put into and take from a story.
Some stories are about the bigger questions of life, sure, some are about basic survival too, it can very much depend on the circumstances and options people in a society have. Read inuit folklore for example and you'll find that most of their cultural narratives revolve around surviving in a frozen hellscape and explaining the things they see in the world, rather than bothering about moral questions in life, which tribal leaders were likely to deal with more directly in small isolated communities one might imagine.
DaLuke2 said:
Whilst I agree with you on the immense varieties of possible natures of relationships be them straight, homo, poly or anything, I disagree with the idea that there are no proper characteristics to each of them. I can see common trends in the straight couples I know, which are different from the gay couples I know, and even within the gay couples I know I see trends that are proper to lesbian couples which are different from male gay couples, especially in terms of dynamics. And now that I do know since recently a real trouple (God the guy of the lot is my hero), I see again a new (at least to me) trend of relationship dynamics I had never observed before. I cannot put actual words on it yet tbh. However I can say one thing, credit where it is due: the Holly Trinity is one path Eva Kiss has nailed; from what I have observed IRL Eva Kiss has developed the Holy trinity in a very pertinent way.
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Common trends sure, but not exclusive ones. There can be a certain culture to any combination of a given relationship and like your point about fiction narratives before, they also take and add variety to the narratives we tell about each other. Homosexual relationships have different tendensies from one culture to another depending on how accepted in general their family constitutions are for example.
In Northern European countries where homosexual relationships are generally accepted, you see the people in such families share traits with straight couples more often because the identity they represent is less controversial and therefore less isolated. When you are isolated from persecution or just pucling humiliation, the references material you can take and add to society is rather limited. So in a similar fashion to how an isolated community without a stable food source might build their mythology up around things other than moral questions, isolated relationships with no common ground with straight couples will also structure their dynamics in different ways.

I can't comment on the situations you encounter personally, but my point is mainly that there are structures of all kinds in all kinds of relationships and trends are influenced by the conditions in which they exist. Many homosexual relationships share certan traits with similar relationships because those are the sources they reference.

Anyway I think the topic of this thread of discussion is becoming more general than the scope of the thread, so don't be surprised if the mods come in a delete them :)
Suffice it to say that I think it's kind of you to try and not view your lesbian friends as objects of sexual interest, but Holly/Lena and Lena's other female options have sexual themes of their own that can be fun to explore and I don't think you have to feel an obligation not to explore them because you have friends that happen to share a sexuality with it. We are more than just what's between our legs and what we use those things for after all.. ;)
 
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I still wonder who's the real person Ian was based on. But I believe that with Mike it was Alex "Voodoo" / Johnny Castle / John Strong.
 
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