I'd have to double check, but i seem to vaguely remember that if Lena has been cheating, she needs to make decision to stop that shortly before the beach house trip, as well as get over her Axel hangup if she still has one. If she opts to keep cheating this drops her from "pure relationship" route which the Holly trinity is a variant of.
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Apologies, somehow I had missed your reply above, didn't mean to ignore you.Well, I don't know that I agree with the general statement either. Consider ORS alone, Seymour isn't a compelling villain either.
Fair enough, Cindy does end up rushing into the modelling thing. If all NPC's had variable routes similar to Holly maybe some alternative outlet could have been explored.
I mean, it's not like I'd claim Eva is a master of script writing, but for what it is, yes I generally think Ian and Cindy have fun interactions. Ian can be charming or more overt or even put off by Cindy's traits. When they do get together I think their sexual dynamic is fun because Ian can stumble here and there if he pushes things, but playing his cards right he can get Cindy to lower her barriers to do new things.
And I will freely admit that I am perhaps a bit too into Cindy. I don't really find your view disagreeable, I can see how Cindy's scenes wouldn't work for everyone.
At the end of the day all the characters and pairings are subject to individual preference. I don't enjoy Ian/Lena so I wouldn't mind whatsoever if Eva neglected that route wholly in favour of spending dev time on the routes I enjoy or the potential routes I would wish to start.
- Half disagree/agree on Seymour. I find him to be a good villain, probably the best villain in AVNs. However I do agree that "compelling" would be exagerated.
- I do believe that Eva Kiss is a master of script writing actually, at least by AVNs standards. She's no Flaubert but compared to other developers out here she is Kafka really. Or Cervantes in her case. All I'm saying is that she has screwed the writing of quite many of her branches, and she had better not waste time on those, and invest the time gained on developing the branches and paths that do work, muuuuuuuuch faster and deeper.
- I really, really - and respectfully - don't get the players that favour other paths than Ian/Lena. I mean, the whole red string is about their link in how their respective lives evolve, so yeah I get why there would be other characters playing a part, obviously, but how, on such a game with two MCs, on can favour all the SIDE paths above the MAIN path, I mean you do you, but it is not just a matter of personal preference, it is a matter of the whole point of the game.
Whilst I worship Vanilla Wits Lena, I actually don't find Ian to be particularly interesting. I would have preferred Axel as the male MC, I've said so before. Nevertheless, the creator gives me that boy, gives me that girl, and takes me into the world she has created around them. OK then, for my beloved Lena, Ian it is.
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The whole point of the game is that you can play it how you like. Ian and Lena are obviouslly connected no matter what you choose, but the connection is yours to define within the choices that are presented.
It's not that I have a dislike for the route as such. I just mainly want to play a female perspective and I prefer female options as well. So to me Ian functions fine as a friend to Lena, but my Lena isn't that interested in him.
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We have a troll guys. Apparently this game is better than ORS. https://f95zone.to/threads/welcome-to-port-haven-v0-6-sofia-skye.236807/post-18396344
You are right, of course. Same goes for the minerva cheating too. As long as both Leads reaffirm their feelings about each other before meeting on the beach house, Ian should be able to ask Lena about her feelings for Holly on the second day.
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Sadly I don't believe they are trolling. They genuinely believe wholeheartedly the rubbish they are spouting. I respect other people's "opinion", even if that opinion is OBJECTIVELY wrong. For example, there are those who believe in pouring the cereal before the milk then there are cereal killers...
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I'm going to try to get serious with Holly then, because I only tried to get serious with Lena, but the relationship opened up and there was no Ian/Lena/Holly.
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NGL your signature of Shadowcute getting railed is hot AF
I mean, that pfp kind of gives it away from the get-go.
It's very interesting. I've played that route, out of curiosity, a long time ago. Have saved one single path along those lines, where Wits pure Lena can't get over Axel and only fucks him, and Ian dates exclusively Alison, is on the cuck route and gets humiliated by Jeremy on the threesome. That was funny, but not fulfilling. I still update that save, but on skipping mode.
It might surprise you, but I also mainly want to play the female perspective. I know it sounds weird as I am a male, straight, not a sissy and - at least to my knowledge- not a cuck, but the female perspective fascinates me - because I'm only fascinated by what is not me.
Then of course you always project on the characters some parts of you. I suppose the way I build up Lena resonates with what I want in a woman, even just subconsciously.
I have not digged into the lesbian paths, especially with Holly, because I have lesbian friends who confide in me about their own relationships and it is not always going crazily well, so ORS' lesbian routes recall me into real life and that's definitely not my purpose in playing a porn game.
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Is this a reply to me? I don't believe I brought up Lena/Axel or cuck Ian on the Alison voyeur route.
I don't think it's weird at all. Lots of people like playing as the opposite sex without it having anything to do with a skewed sense of sexuality.
Sure, like I said I play Lena in a way that conforms somewhat with my own sexuality, the same was the case with Ash generally. That doesn't mean I can't veer off to explore other content, I did that in GGGB too, but I find little desire to do so in ORS.
But isn't that in of itself sexualising them in a way? Do you recall real life in regards to your straight friends when you play straight content? Relationships come in all kinds of versions, abusive, loving, distant, regardless of the sexualities and individuals involved after all. Lesbian relationships aren't that different to those experienced by straight couples or gay ones.
I've never really thought about other people that I know when I play these kinds of games. My partner maybe or myself if a character reminds me of either of us, or they share a kink with us, but otherwise not. I've always liked role-playing games because I can get to play around with morals, virtues and other ways of expression, even if they mostly conform to my actual personal views and interests.
Make best with what you've been offered, more like. This whole obnoxious event that we're currently forced to go through should've been entirely skippable.
If the statement play it how you like was true, for example, players who don't care that much for choosing between whether or not Lena gets high on the patio or how much dick she takes in the ass in the spawn of a single day, are, say, presented with an option for Lena to wave goodbye to Ivy, wipe a single tear while watching her bright pink pussymobile disappear over the horizon and then go spend some quality time with the significant other of her choice. But, I guess, that's not tightly interconnected enough.
This game needs to represent the dating sim tag for a change, there's too much emphasis on hooking up in the rooms/toilet stalls. But making a unique scene where a couple has a good time together, in a movie theater or cafe is too much of a challenge compared to sorting through your old art and deciding which one to reuse again.
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Yes, that is what "play it how you like" means when said about video games. You can't do anything besides what being offered in any game so that limitation is implied.
But that's the unavoidable trap, isn't it? You make a game with 15 routes a player might go down through yet you need to keep the size of content manageable and somehow going through the same hoops lest you end up making 2 or more different games at the same time.
I will agree that the current chapter caters more towards some routes than others, but the same was true to chapter 12, for example. Which was very much in line with what you apparently want from the game. It might be a situation of the writer digging their own grave regarding the direction they want the story to go, but from what I've read rewrites have happened before and might still happen again, so I wouldn't take this as the end of the world just yet.
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I saw Lena is like Jennifer White although she doesn't have the blue eyes, but in POV there are some similar videos
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Cindy - Tiffany Tatum
Lena - Lexi Dona
Emma - Abella Danger
Lena - Lexi Dona
Emma - Abella Danger