VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[dontcarewhateverno]

(i also wouldn't call such arrangement plausible, much less realistic, but that's another story)

Don't want a huge back-and-forth, so just replying to this portion. Of course it's more plausible and natural. A lot more. Couples into that kink/lifestyle are real and in long-term permanent relationships with each other, whether living together or married. With few if any exceptions, those long-term partners still have sex with each other and have some sort of mutual respect and bond, usually just playing out a kink or fantasy together for spice. Without that sort of connection and genuine need for each other beyond a kink, the relationship would fall apart very quickly. The whole cruel-mistress wife/never-inside husband or findom/paypig thing is the stuff of S&M fantasies alone, or some simp paying some camwhore online for private humiliation sessions. A couple could play-act it occasionally, but few if any would/could carry that sort of thing permanently in a real long-term relationship. Everything else is the stuff of exaggerated, poorly written erotica.

You're basically just speaking with authority on something you have no familiarity with, assuming your gut feeling is as good as any.

 

[iainmore]

In playing Ian I found myself gravitating towards Lena, Cindy and Minerva more by accident than design. Ivy and Louise just didn't do anything for me in fact I found both of them irritating but to each their own I guess. I closed off the Holly path by picking Cindy i guess.

 

[lucadiadis]

I don't know if you noticed but in the ch11 prologue Lena suggest to Ian a threesome with another girl (I'm guessing it's either Ivy, Louise, Emma or even Holly)... So a FFM threesome is almost guaranteed in ch11 (you need to have an "open" relationship with Lena for this)

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No, they dont need to be in an open relationship, it works in a comitted relationship too.

 

[ffive]

Don't want a huge back-and-forth, so just replying to this portion. Of course it's more plausible and natural. A lot more. Couples into that kink/lifestyle are real and in long-term permanent relationships with each other, whether living together or married.

We're perhaps thinking about two different things. Based on your description, it sounded to me you're talking about an arrangement where one person sleeps around as they please and occasionally "teases" the other about being a little, worthless cuck, but both sides still remaining loving and respectful for each other.

"Playful teasing" about person being essentially worthless simply doesn't remain just teasing with no impact on the relationship. Keep it up long enough and it will get under the skin of person who keeps hearing they're worthless, and take a root in the mind of the person who does the "teasing", as well. Maintaining a good, equivalent relationship in such situation becomes increasingly difficult. The implausible/unrealistic aspect i was referring to was apparent expectations such thing will have no effect on relationship dynamic and the pair will remain as loving and respectful for each other as they ever were.

You're basically just speaking with authority on something you have no familiarity with, assuming your gut feeling is as good as any.

I think you're presuming way too much here, and coming strongly as someone who tries to speak from position of authority yourself.

 

[ffive]

No, they dont need to be in an open relationship, it works in a comitted relationship too.

That's correct. In fact, this scene offers the player second chance to set Lena/Ian relationship as "open", if they haven't done so when it was initially formed. (picking We could give it a try activates the relevant flag)

 

[lucadiadis]

That's correct. In fact, this scene offers the player second chance to set Lena/Ian relationship as "open", if they haven't done so when it was initially formed. (picking We could give it a try activates the relevant flag)

Agreed, depending on your definition of "open". An open relationship implies the possibility to sleep around without one's partner present, while in this instance Lena does sayè "as long as we do it together".

 

[ffive]

Agreed, depending on your definition of "open". An open relationship implies the possibility to sleep around without one's partner present, while in this instance Lena does sayè "as long as we do it together".

I think this is sort of universal interpretation for Eva's games -- it's similar in Good Girl Gone Bad, where "open relationship" was effectively the MC and her partner having sex with some third party together, and sleeping with someone behind the partner's back would activate cheating route(s).

 

[manscout]

We're perhaps thinking about two different things. Based on your description, it sounded to me you're talking about an arrangement where one person sleeps around as they please and occasionally "teases" the other about being a little, worthless cuck, but both sides still remaining loving and respectful for each other.

"Playful teasing" about person being essentially worthless simply doesn't remain just teasing with no impact on the relationship. Keep it up long enough and it will get under the skin of person who keeps hearing they're worthless, and take a root in the mind of the person who does the "teasing", as well. Maintaining a good, equivalent relationship in such situation becomes increasingly difficult. The implausible/unrealistic aspect i was referring to was apparent expectations such thing will have no effect on relationship dynamic and the pair will remain as loving and respectful for each other as they ever were.

Just chiming in that those things are usually a matter of degrees and compartmentalization. What you are describing is essentially the worst case scenario of taking it to the max (refering to someone as worthless in a general sense) with the person on the giving end having a sadistic streak and imposing it on the person on the receiving end who is not really into it but isn't putting a stop to their partner (could be an introvert person with low self-esteem but that doesn't really have that kind of masochistic kink).

Usually the lighter approaches can be as simple as the person doing the teasing talking to their partner about how they have the hots for another person, or about how other people could give them a better sexual experience in some aspects. As long as those types of comments and attitudes are kept to specific circumstances and plays then both sides can be comfortable with it without it damaging a mutually respectful relationship. You were asking for games that do this lighter approach thing, there is Indecent Wife Hana, it does a decent amount of building it up without rushing it and exploring the protagonist's thoughts (the one being teased/cucked), him and his wife also keep having normal "healthy" sex thoroughout the story although those scenes are shortened up/omitted later on for story pacing reasons.

The issue with porn games, and EK's games are no different from this, is that usually story progression is tied to escalating the existing fetishes as much as possible. I think the logic is that you need to have something to hook the player into coming back to play the game in a future session, if it feels like it is more of the same and the rest of the game doesn't have the quality to stand in its own merits, the idea is to intensify what the player previously enjoyed and take it to the next level so it doesn't end up feeling like just more of the same. This is usually fine since porn is about exploring all kinds of fantasies, no matter how ridiculous or unfeasible.

The problem is that sometimes this makes it so a specific dynamic a person is enjoying gets rushed onto something they aren't particularly interested on, but that's just an inherent struggle of games aiming for broader appeal. It is better to shoot for all the extremes to cover more ground and hope the people that wanted a more "middle of the road" approach at least appreciate the buildup parts of it. And in the specific case of ORS, I think that a player that wants that could just do the open relationship but only have 1 of the characters sleeping with other people a lot while the other one only stays in the route with their SO. Such a dynamic probably won't hijack the story into being its own "light teasing" route or have unique scenes, but the variable dialogue of the game could address it.

I think this is sort of universal interpretation for Eva's games -- it's similar in Good Girl Gone Bad, where "open relationship" was effectively the MC and her partner having sex with some third party together, and sleeping with someone behind the partner's back would activate cheating route(s).

To be fair, that's kinda how it works with Eric at the start of GGGB, but the "open relationship" at the end of the game would allow the MC to sleep with other people without it being considered cheating (although I think the wording for it there was a "liberal relationship"? Maybe it is just a Eva Kiss wording kink or something), just a shame that arrangement required a bimbo Ashley and it was portrayed essentially as "MC is just too much of a sex demon to be with 1 person even if she really loves them now and so she seduces and manipulates their partner into agreeing to it" rather than a mutual thing.

 

[ffive]

Just chiming in that those things are usually a matter of degrees and compartmentalization. What you are describing is essentially the worst case scenario of taking it to the max (refering to someone as worthless in a general sense) with the person on the giving end having a sadistic streak and imposing it on the person on the receiving end who is not really into it but isn't putting a stop to their partner (could be an introvert person with low self-esteem but that doesn't really have that kind of masochistic kink).

Usually the lighter approaches can be as simple as the person doing the teasing talking to their partner about how they have the hots for another person, or about how other people could give them a better sexual experience in some aspects.

I think you're underestimating the extent of effect the "lighter approach" can have over long term. The worthlessness i mentioned wasn't specifically what the person would be told, it's just how it can eventually start to build up and feel for the recipient, after repeatedly hearing relatively minor remarks like you describe. It also doesn't require any sort of sadistic streak from the partner. It's not unlike propaganda works, through repetition that over time molds both the recipient and the provider who can wind up buying their own shit.

Compartmentalization can work, but often only to certain degree and then it doesn't. We aren't all perfect robots and things can easily spill from their neat mental boxes.

The issue with porn games, and EK's games are no different from this, is that usually story progression is tied to escalating the existing fetishes as much as possible. I think the logic is that you need to have something to hook the player into coming back to play the game in a future session, if it feels like it is more of the same and the rest of the game doesn't have the quality to stand in its own merits, the idea is to intensify what the player previously enjoyed and take it to the next level so it doesn't end up feeling like just more of the same. This is usually fine since porn is about exploring all kinds of fantasies, no matter how ridiculous or unfeasible.

To be fair this isn't far off from how people wind up experimenting with different sexual kinks, because they grow bored of doing the same thing and with the same partner all the time.

 

[JoJoPool]

No, they dont need to be in an open relationship, it works in a comitted relationship too.

Thanks for correcting me

 

[manscout]

I think you're underestimating the extent of effect the "lighter approach" can have over long term. The worthlessness i mentioned wasn't specifically what the person would be told, it's just how it can eventually start to build up and feel for the recipient, after repeatedly hearing relatively minor remarks like you describe. It also doesn't require any sort of sadistic streak from the partner. It's not unlike propaganda works, through repetition that over time molds both the recipient and the provider who can wind up buying their own shit.

Compartmentalization can work, but often only to certain degree and then it doesn't. We aren't all perfect robots and things can easily spill from their neat mental boxes.

Which is why people that practice those kinks have things like aftercare and rest periods, to counteract the "propaganda" effect and give reassurance that it was done as part of a play. If it was nothing but incessant demeaning remarks and humiliating actions and then "wham bam see ya later" then I would agree with you that it would be hard to fathom a healthy relationship between two healthy individuals with such a dynamic.

Ironically enough, I have seen some rationalizations of why carefully done plays can actually be helpful to people with low self-esteem, although this is more of a sidenote because it would start entering "why any sexual kink" territory.

To be fair this isn't far off from how people wind up experimenting with different sexual kinks, because they grow bored of doing the same thing and with the same partner all the time.

Yeah, but it isn't like everyone wants to explore every kink to their logical extreme. Boredom is not inevitable and even then people can still draw lines of up to which point they actually enjoy a kink. People are more likely to skirt around this line here and there when it comes to porn because of how low commital and inexpensive/inoffensive it is, but it is not like it is ad infinitum. And being honest in well-written or otherwise good adult games, it kinda sucks when it feels like some fetishes are taken too far, even in detriment of the story, just because of the expectation that the porn always needs to be escalated further and further to keep the story going.

 

[Marley300]

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released, I just realized I haven't posted a proper status report on Chapter 11 yet. I had been keeping the prologue stuff under wraps since I wanted it to be some kind of surprise, and after finishing the release cycle, I've been laser focused on the script for Chapter 11.
These past two weeks I've been working mostly on the writing, and I feel I'm making good progress. I began writing the script the same day the Alpha was published, and in this time I've completed what I think is about 65-70% of it. The art is about 50% done.
I've finally found a couple of artists I can delegate some illustrations too, which has enabled me to focus on the writing during these weeks. I still draw all of the heads and faces, and I want to keep drawing the most important scenes myself, but I'll try delegating as much as I can, as long as the final result is up to my standards.
I've also been working on enhancing the music department (and a bit of the audio), and I'm trying something pretty cool that I still don't know if will work, but if it does I'll let you know more.
Other than that, I'll keep focusing on writing and try to finish Ian's part as fast as I can, and then continue with Lena's and the remaining art stuff. I'll keep you posted!

 

[fatpussy123]

65% of the the script and 50% of the art. Call me crazy but it sounds like chapter 11 is progressing pretty fast, compared to the last 2 chapters at least. I hope she isn't overhyping the chapter's progress so we don't have to wait 6 months for the next update.

 

[Arvie33]

Our Red String Chapter 11 -Prologue (Full version)
PC:
Mega

Mac:
Mega

Android?

 

[ffive]

65% of the the script and 50% of the art. Call me crazy but it sounds like chapter 11 is progressing pretty fast, compared to the last 2 chapters at least. I hope she isn't overhyping the chapter's progress so we don't have to wait 6 months for the next update.

The pace is similar to what it used to be typically, it's just the last couple of chapters were outliers in this regard.

 

[MrHoneyCraft]

This is a very nice game indeed.

 

[Darth Helmet]

Android?

There's no Android version officially released. Use JoiPlay. Works for me.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

We're perhaps thinking about two different things. Based on your description, it sounded to me you're talking about an arrangement where one person sleeps around as they please and occasionally "teases" the other about being a little, worthless cuck, but both sides still remaining loving and respectful for each other.

"Playful teasing" about person being essentially worthless simply doesn't remain just teasing with no impact on the relationship. Keep it up long enough and it will get under the skin of person who keeps hearing they're worthless, and take a root in the mind of the person who does the "teasing", as well. Maintaining a good, equivalent relationship in such situation becomes increasingly difficult. The implausible/unrealistic aspect i was referring to was apparent expectations such thing will have no effect on relationship dynamic and the pair will remain as loving and respectful for each other as they ever were.

I think you're presuming way too much here, and coming strongly as someone who tries to speak from position of authority yourself.

TLDR: We're definitely speaking past each other.
Though you were making quite a few assumptions here too. I never once said anything about playfully teasing "about a person being essentially worthless". That's the sort of unrealistic fetish usually relegated to extreme porn or bad erotic writing (fair enough, very common in a lot of badly written games on here). I wouldn't generally call it playful & it's actually the kind of thing I'd rather avoid in these stories, only partially because of that implausibility*. (I mean, if your partner considers you "worthless", why the hell are you together? It takes out all the tension and push/pull dynamic, too. If the relationship isn't worth it, there are no stakes = Not interesting). Never said "sleeps around as they please" either, fwiw. That can be open to interpretation and degree, but any healthy long-term relationship is eventually going to need some mutually agreed upon boundaries and considerations for each other for it to last.

So it seems like you've based your interpretation and argument on a few things I didn't say. I was thinking more along the lines of her being a big slut "that can't help herself" & playfully teasing about all the big cocks she can't resist filling her up, like some of the dialogue at the end of Chapter 10, which an astute Lena may interpret turns the right kind of Ian on. The turn towards intentional meanness I detect that path heading towards is exactly what I didn't want. Helpless nymphos with a heart of gold FTW.

I never said I was against anyone speaking with authority in general, either. Only when they're also unfamiliar with the subject matter. You just struck me as having a narrow view of what that kink entailed based on your responses & interpretation of what I was talking about.

People have different communication styles, leading to bad communication/interaction, which I think is the case with us. Unfortunately for everyone, we're both similar in wanting to have the last word. Zero fun for anyone, tbh.

*Fair enough to note, the more extreme, S&M style humiliation kink can be handled well too for a plausible long-term relationship, provided both partners set boundaries & discuss before & after + get something out of it. It's just not my particular preference - Neither the kink or subject matter.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

To be fair, that's kinda how it works with Eric at the start of GGGB, but the "open relationship" at the end of the game would allow the MC to sleep with other people without it being considered cheating (although I think the wording for it there was a "liberal relationship"? Maybe it is just a Eva Kiss wording kink or something), just a shame that arrangement required a bimbo Ashley and it was portrayed essentially as "MC is just too much of a sex demon to be with 1 person even if she really loves them now and so she seduces and manipulates their partner into agreeing to it" rather than a mutual thing.

I cringed in the last third of that route and quickly rerouted to the more wholesome, family-friendly experience of "Ashley Bangs Her Mom & Her Stepdad For A Boob-Job." Monacle.gif.

Was definitely hoping for a better re-do in ORS, but it looks like your well-described common development trend towards the extremes likely won out, based on the recent path turn.

 

[Vurg]

It seems like now that all the set-up in the earlier chapters is done, these later chapters might be easier for Eva to finish because she is just playing out the subplots to their conclusion. I'm hoping this is the case and there is not as much branching complexity, but we will see.