VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[mommysboiii]

especially if they're all coincidentally at the same beach at the same time.

that would be sad imagin a OPTION were ian,wade and perry sitting alone at their cool party while all other girls are at the more wild party

Not really. A lot of the games on the list have unbelievable stories which are a result of world development were the universe revolves around the MC of the game. Most of them are over dramatic stories as well which are a result of the Dev believing grandiose developments and sudden Drama will turn their VN into HBO quality. It will not.

A lot of posters automatically assume a game with great renders and absence of grammatical errors means a great story. Feelings like Jealousy, insecurity, competitiveness are absent from 99% of the VNs listed in that thread, in order to give the player a (((safe space))) and not feel challanged or insecure to avoid the dreadsome NTR label.

But as a result, those game feels artificially designed, with characters existing to stroke the players ego and missing critical human emoticons everyone deals with daily.

For example of what I mean: Players here were very furious at Jeremy for fllirting with Alison and competing with Ian to score, because they are not used to that concept. MC best friend tropes in the VNs listed exist to boost player ego, as funny sidekick, to give him girls (but never want one for themselves). Basically carboard cutouts to boost the player but never having real desires of their own.

I did not like Jeremy's action, but it made the game more believable in my eyes, and more enjoyable in my opinion, when you finally get her instead of Jeremy. It feels earned.

There are very few VNs where the world does not revolve around the MC, were other characters exist and compete with the MC for affection with LI and ORS is the best in that field. Every accomplishment feels earned. Motivations feel believable and grounded.

There is no sudden outburst of drama and emotions, there is no deus ex machina to force plot points.

Because of this, Eva Kiss is one of the best writer in F95 bar non.

100% agree I could not write it better this is why I always say every good game needs light ntr elements. I am not talking about full focus ntr game which is also not good from a story point because it plays like a reverse harem game which is not a believable game world or has much potential for good story plots.

But I never replayed a erotic game this much or played one that has a believable game world like this if Ian dosent do anything the game world would still function and people would chase their dreams or go on dates for girls and so on....in other games if the mc dosent exist the whole gameworld dosent function anymore you are basicly the 10 inch choosen one.

People that like to be more dominant feel like they earned the girl ,people that like the shy insecure more loser typ can play this fantasy or people that just want a romance can also play a vanilla kind of way.There are so many possiblities its insane.

You don't need all these—jealousy, insecurity, and competitiveness—to make a good game. One or two is usually enough. Besides, signs of a good game usually come from well-developed world building, compelling characters, gripping dialogues, significant choices, etc., not because the MC has to compete with his best friend to get the girl.

yes you exactyl need this if you want to tell a good story or want to make a believable game world but the mc out of this game guess what? the game world still functions compared to all other VN that I played.

you want to have things like jealousy, insecurity, competitiveness if you want to make a good story or cheracter progression to give the player options to overcome his fears or stayes that way(if you want to).

There are so many story possibilities imagin multiple options for axel for example

1. axel beaing a thread for ian and they have competition but than they work together against old grandpa and there comes a great friendship like a bromance true lost brothers that find themself as best friends sticking together at the end that would be cool.

2.axel is a treath for ian and they dont become friends and have competition depends on the cheracter that you shape ian to be
- it could be eather a powerfantasy for ian to train get better stats become stronger and (become a true chad) and win vs axel
- ian losing against axel and losing cindy ,alison ..... whoever axel is after if he wanna hurt ian

and so on...

you basicly have so many more options if light ntr (again NOT FULL FOCUS which are often very unbelievable and badly written too even if I like the kink) elements are a thing it will 100% make the world more believable and gives way better options for cheracter growth,fears,insecurities, betrayels maybe a best friend turns against you for example, intrigues, drama ,corruption and so on....

 

[Gicoo]

1. axel beaing a thread for ian and they have competition but than they work together against old grandpa and there comes a great friendship like a bromance true lost brothers that find themself as best friends sticking together at the end that would be cool.

I was expecting this, but the rewrite put a damper on it. It removed Ian and Axel hanging out and Axel encouraging Ian to talk to Jessica.
Instead, Ian constantly remarks how Axel is trouble and a threat in the rewrite. I currently see little value in the affection points Ian can have with Axel. It's also bad in the birthday scene, when the two are always at odds, unless Lena manages to get Mike/Mark. It's also bad that we don't see Ian's perspective in this regarding Axel and Cherry (especially since he and Perry comforted her about her ex). Since its from Lena's PoV, we leave this, maybe chapter 11 fixes that once it switches to Ian's perspective? Or would it refuse to backtrack and skip to a later date?

 

[jollyjoker27]

Someone tell me how to proceed stan quest how to open the 3 outfit for last stan photo session?

The bunny outfit you can get either as a gift from Robert, if you stay on his path long enough or alternatively you can buy it at the sex/tattoo shop.

The lingerie you get for free if you do the photo shoot with Seymore (2nd one I think?!) or you can buy it at the luxury boutique that becomes available just before Iyv´s birtheday party.

 

[Blurpee69]

The bunny outfit you can get either as a gift from Robert, if you stay on his path long enough or alternatively you can buy it at the sex/tattoo shop.

The lingerie you get for free if you do the photo shoot with Seymore (2nd one I think?!) or you can buy it at the luxury boutique that becomes available just before Iyv´s birtheday party.

Man that luxury boutique came out of seemingly no where. I wasn't expecting it during my first playthrough and when it was introduced thought I would have a bit more time to purchase something from there. Turns out... Nope. I'm just poor, unless you're on the Seymour route, or never send money to your parents (you monster)

 

[John Doe Jr.]

It removed Ian and Axel hanging out and Axel encouraging Ian to talk to Jessica

Yeah this crushed all hopes of any potential of a friendship. I think Eva decided to just simplify the story and have Axel be the antagonist for Ian no matter what

 

[BloodyMares]

Man that luxury boutique came out of seemingly no where. I wasn't expecting it during my first playthrough and when it was introduced thought I would have a bit more time to purchase something from there. Turns out... Nope. I'm just poor, unless you're on the Seymour route, or never send money to your parents (you monster)

Yup, Lena's budget is very unbalanced. After being fired from the restaurant there simply is not enough money available. She earns 2 Money from the Cafe (if you decided to help Molly and Ed) but has to spend 3 Money (+1 if you want to help your parents). Even with Stalkfap you still can't really buy much. I only had money to buy 1 outfit and 2 sex toys (dildo and collar). And that leaves you with 2 money which you need for rent. Lena really needs to look for a second gig ASAP especially if she's not doing stalkfap (or it has been unsuccessful) otherwise she'll just never be able to buy anything.

Meanwhile Ian not only could move up the ladder thanks to Seymour but also was reinstated full-time with Minerva (if he's still her intern). And he doesn't have much opportunities to spend money aside from the outfits.
Here's my balance both for Ian and Lena:

Ian: 6 (was delivering food and later reinstated by Minerva + had max allowance from dad) - bought 2 outfits and spent the weekend with Alison

Lena: 2 (helped save the cafe, does spicy stalkfap without custom content, was fired from the restaurant in Ch 3) - bought the collar and 2 outfits, no piercings, no tattoos. If my Lena didn't do Stalkfap I don't think she'd be able to afford to buy anything at all with all the money she sent to her parents.

 

[fatpussy123]

Yup, Lena's budget is very unbalanced. After being fired from the restaurant there simply is not enough money available. She earns 2 Money from the Cafe (if you decided to help Molly and Ed) but has to spend 3 Money (+1 if you want to help your parents). Even with Stalkfap you still can't really buy much. I only had money to buy 1 outfit and 2 sex toys (dildo and collar). And that leaves you with 2 money which you need for rent. Lena really needs to look for a second gig ASAP especially if she's not doing stalkfap (or it has been unsuccessful) otherwise she'll just never be able to buy anything.

Meanwhile Ian not only could move up the ladder thanks to Seymour but also was reinstated full-time with Minerva (if he's still her intern). And he doesn't have much opportunities to spend money aside from the outfits.
Here's my balance both for Ian and Lena:

Ian: 6 (was delivering food and later reinstated by Minerva + had max allowance from dad) - bought 2 outfits and spent the weekend with Alison

Lena: 2 (helped save the cafe, does spicy stalkfap without custom content, was fired from the restaurant in Ch 3) - bought the collar and 2 outfits, no piercings, no tattoos. If my Lena didn't do Stalkfap I don't think she'd be able to afford to buy anything at all with all the money she sent to her parents.

The I've been doing Lena's finances is as you've said, but also going to Seymour's photoshoot. At the chapter 9 special contract I add the extra clause and refuse the vibrator bit. You still get paid, but I wonder what consequences that might bring later.

 

[KingNtr++]

slowly update.... milky dev

 

[Flowing Thought]

Yup, Lena's budget is very unbalanced. After being fired from the restaurant there simply is not enough money available. She earns 2 Money from the Cafe (if you decided to help Molly and Ed) but has to spend 3 Money (+1 if you want to help your parents). Even with Stalkfap you still can't really buy much. I only had money to buy 1 outfit and 2 sex toys (dildo and collar). And that leaves you with 2 money which you need for rent. Lena really needs to look for a second gig ASAP especially if she's not doing stalkfap (or it has been unsuccessful) otherwise she'll just never be able to buy anything.

Meanwhile Ian not only could move up the ladder thanks to Seymour but also was reinstated full-time with Minerva (if he's still her intern). And he doesn't have much opportunities to spend money aside from the outfits.
Here's my balance both for Ian and Lena:

Ian: 6 (was delivering food and later reinstated by Minerva + had max allowance from dad) - bought 2 outfits and spent the weekend with Alison

Lena: 2 (helped save the cafe, does spicy stalkfap without custom content, was fired from the restaurant in Ch 3) - bought the collar and 2 outfits, no piercings, no tattoos. If my Lena didn't do Stalkfap I don't think she'd be able to afford to buy anything at all with all the money she sent to her parents.

I think this is good storytelling. Lena's finances if you side with Seymour and go into Stalkfap big time are amazing. She is overflowing with money. However if you try to walk the path of opposing Seymour he uses his influence to try to ruin you financially like cutting off your modeling gigs and your life drawing events and kicked out of the restaurant if you are still there by that point. The gameplay and the narrative are tied together into a cohesive whole.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Man that luxury boutique came out of seemingly no where. I wasn't expecting it during my first playthrough and when it was introduced thought I would have a bit more time to purchase something from there. Turns out... Nope. I'm just poor, unless you're on the Seymour route, or never send money to your parents (you monster)

Yup, Lena's budget is very unbalanced. After being fired from the restaurant there simply is not enough money available. She earns 2 Money from the Cafe (if you decided to help Molly and Ed) but has to spend 3 Money (+1 if you want to help your parents). Even with Stalkfap you still can't really buy much. I only had money to buy 1 outfit and 2 sex toys (dildo and collar). And that leaves you with 2 money which you need for rent. Lena really needs to look for a second gig ASAP especially if she's not doing stalkfap (or it has been unsuccessful) otherwise she'll just never be able to buy anything.

Meanwhile Ian not only could move up the ladder thanks to Seymour but also was reinstated full-time with Minerva (if he's still her intern). And he doesn't have much opportunities to spend money aside from the outfits.
Here's my balance both for Ian and Lena:

Ian: 6 (was delivering food and later reinstated by Minerva + had max allowance from dad) - bought 2 outfits and spent the weekend with Alison

Lena: 2 (helped save the cafe, does spicy stalkfap without custom content, was fired from the restaurant in Ch 3) - bought the collar and 2 outfits, no piercings, no tattoos. If my Lena didn't do Stalkfap I don't think she'd be able to afford to buy anything at all with all the money she sent to her parents.

I had an idea that if this is Eva's original plan. Lena is in a difficult financial situation due to sick parents, low-paid work. Plus, girls have needs and are very costly.
Eva pushes players down the path of corruption by offering a simple and quick solution to make money.
I have a "good Lena" route where Robert was fuck off, Stalkfap is not used in "total slut" mode. And of course Seymour was refused.
I didn't use cheat mode. I realized how difficult the financial situation is Lena, got a complete immersion.

 

[Simponia]

This game is Disco Elysium of adult visual novels.

 

[ArcherHades46]

So.. any news? Update dating?

 

[fatpussy123]

So.. any news? Update dating?

Yes the game will be updated.

 

[Simponia]

path of corruption

I wouldn't call Lena's choices a 'corruption' at all. In GGGB, yeah, there was a real corruption. Compared to mugging. selling drugs, Tyrone's pool party and Arthur's quest, Lena sleeping with manager to keep a job and making erotic photos for rich old man is nothing.

 

[mommysboiii]

I wouldn't call Lena's choices a 'corruption' at all. In GGGB, yeah, there was a real corruption. Compared to mugging. selling drugs, Tyrone's pool party and Arthur's quest, Lena sleeping with manager to keep a job and making erotic photos for rich old man is nothing.

dude this game is half way done eva cant give everything away so fast I am 100% sure there will be way more corruption and options even if in a relationship with cindy,alison,holly,lena,gillian... but this need build up I am pretty sure the things that you expect will probably happen between cheapter 15-20.

the game needs a fundation and proper build up first which happend until now GGGB was already done at this point because it was lees complex, less content.

 

[fatpussy123]

dude this game is half way done eva cant give everything away so fast I am 100% sure there will be way more corruption and options even if in a relationship with cindy,alison,holly,lena,gillian... but this need build up I am pretty sure the things that you expect will probably happen between cheapter 15-20.

the game needs a fundation and proper build up first which happend until now GGGB was already done at this point because it was lees complex, less content.

The cheating from Lena is absolutely corruption. Seymour's route can be corruption if Lena is dating Ian, otherwise it depends if you see being blackmailed as Lena being corrupt, maybe it depends if she begins to enjoy it. If she's into Seymour from the start maybe it's not corruption, but if she reluctantly agrees to it then I guess it counts. GGGB was all about corruption tho it literally says in the title.

 

[ArcherHades46]

Yes the game will be updated.

It's obvious, but when?

 

[dolfe67]

It's obvious, but when?

When it's ready obviously

 

[JohnnyKiss]

When it rains, it pours. Not only was one of the games I have been following for a long time been abandoned but now, ORS has had a 2 week long delay. There is also a game I have been following where the author hasn't made any progress in a month because they decided to add animations, a game where the author hasn't communicated with the players in 2 months and a game that is seemingly just getting endlessly rendered XD

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I wouldn't call Lena's choices a 'corruption' at all. In GGGB, yeah, there was a real corruption. Compared to mugging. selling drugs, Tyrone's pool party and Arthur's quest, Lena sleeping with manager to keep a job and making erotic photos for rich old man is nothing.

Lena is not as shy and prude as basic Ashley, but it's still corruption. At the moment it's a lighter version than GGGB, but we've only covered half of the game. Stalkfap, cheating, sex with everything that moves, become Axel's slave again or go under a perverted oligarch, as for me, this fits the definition of corruption.