VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[El_Magnifico]

For what it's worth I'm also sceptical if EK is a woman, she writes scenes like a man would, draws them from a male gaze and in general this is a ridiculously male dominated field. But Eva, if you're reading this and are in fact a guy, please keep up the charade. I miss the old internet where I would spend years being an online friend with someone on a message board and only know their username and avatar. Then social media rolled into town and made everybody show their ugly faces and dysfunctional lives. It's never been the same since. Please f95zone users, never show your face to the world. Bonus points if you pretend to be a hot chick, let me dream.

For the last time, there's no woman here. Girl = Guy In Real Life.

What kind of woman would write characters like Stan and Seymour ? Of course Eva is a dude.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Evakiss gains literally nothing for lying about her sex.
Also why you guys care?
I never understood this discussion and it happens quite often.

 

[LHDLLB]

For the last time, there's no woman here. Girl = Guy In Real Life.

What kind of woman would write characters like Stan and Seymour ? Of course Eva is a dude.

I am mostly a observer in this thread and don't wanna to butt in. But have you see some of this erotic literature written by and for women ? Some of th games on this site is child play next to them.

I don't know if Eva is or not a woman but whatever she is, she cleary knows what her public likes and expects and delivers it.

 

[Xupuzulla]

EK panders her mostly male patreons,F95 nerds be like WOW WHAT IS THIS SORCERY HES MAKING THE MALES HAPPY!?

 

[Nifferman]

For what it's worth I'm also sceptical if EK is a woman, she writes scenes like a man would, draws them from a male gaze and in general this is a ridiculously male dominated field. But Eva, if you're reading this and are in fact a guy, please keep up the charade. I miss the old internet where I would spend years being an online friend with someone on a message board and only know their username and avatar. Then social media rolled into town and made everybody show their ugly faces and dysfunctional lives. It's never been the same since. Please f95zone users, never show your face to the world. Bonus points if you pretend to be a hot chick, let me dream.

Actually she posted her photos a long time ago on patreon for the high tiers, a brunette if I remember. And I'm not sure about this one but isn't she friends with red lolly??

 

[ffive]

What kind of woman would write characters like Stan and Seymour ? Of course Eva is a dude.

Well, if we're going into stereotypes, then on the other hand, what sort of a guy would write a character like billionaire simp Seymour that Lena can fall in love with so hard she'll even cheat on her beloved throuple and hold hands with him?

I mean, even Patrons are apparently more into Arthur type of billionaires.

 

[El_Magnifico]

Evakiss gains literally nothing for lying about her sex.
Also why you guys care?
I never understood this discussion and it happens quite often.

I am mostly a observer in this thread and don't wanna to butt in. But have you see some of this erotic literature written by and for women ? Some of th games on this site is child play next to them.

I don't know if Eva is or not a woman but whatever she is, she cleary knows what her public likes and expects and delivers it.

Well, if we're going into stereotypes, then on the other hand, what sort of a guy would write a character like billionaire simp Seymour that Lena can fall in love with so hard she'll even cheat on her beloved throuple and hold hands with him?

I mean, even Patrons are apparently more into Arthur type of billionaires.

 

[Nutterbutts]

As a gay man, I was partially interested in this game due to playing as Lena, and yeah... aside from Ian, she doesn't have that many physically attractive options. I think Axel and Jeremy are the only two others who arguably look better than Ian, but personality-wise, they're terrible. More or less

When I'm playing Ian's section, I'm interested in pairing him with Cherry, Lena, and Holly. But for Lena, I feel like Ian is my only choice for her, assuming I don't turn Ian into a douche. Because she deserves better

For the last few days I've been using the game's Easy and Cheat modes to explore various branching paths, and honestly... Appearance aside, I find that I like most of the girls that Ian can hook up with (dislike Minerva and Cindy, Allison is... okay, depending on the path) and dislike almost all of the guys that Lena can hook up. With the possible exceptions of Stan and John (haven't thoroughly explored Stan's scenes yet) they're all a bunch of toxic douchebags. And Stan and John are among the least attractive guys in the game - at least, in my opinion. I'm sure someone out there is into them.

 

[aifgamer]

they're all a bunch of toxic douchebags.

Yeah I made a post a while back that Lena's partners are a pretty disappointing bunch. None of the men even really take Lena out on dates. They pop up in the story to fuck her and that's pretty much all she gets out of the relationships. Ian gets courted more by the women than Lena does by the men.

I'm still unsure whether this is flaw or a potentially clever narrative choice. A young, hot, stylish women like Lena would have better romantic options than the rogue's gallery of cheaters and douchebags in ORS. It could be the author is using the roster of love interests as a tacit means of communicating that this character is an insecure mess.

If so, it's essentially a reversal of the standard female PC corruption plot. The character starts off corrupt and the player can redeem her or not.

 

[ffive]

If so, it's essentially a reversal of the standard female PC corruption plot. The character starts off corrupt and the player can redeem her or not.

Uhmm no? There's nothing about Lena that's "corrupt" when she starts the game, or anything to "redeem" her from. She's potentially a nerd who only had two boyfriends ever, and one of those boyfriends was a wanna-be dom who cheated on her with another girl. That is her source of insecurity -- the guy she was in love with apparently didn't value her as much as she valued him, and their relationship.

 

[Saerwen]

Uhmm no? There's nothing about Lena that's "corrupt" when she starts the game, or anything to "redeem" her from. She's potentially a nerd who only had two boyfriends ever, and one of those boyfriends was a wanna-be dom who cheated on her with another girl.

I think they meant that Lena's corrupted because she's not a virgin anymore, since it's usually the innocent/pure virgin trope in games as a start. As for redemption, I can only think of is that slutty Lena decide to be in an actual relationship, idk.

 

[Stephanie98]

I think they meant that Lena's corrupted because she's not a virgin anymore, since it's usually the innocent/pure virgin trope in games as a start. As for redemption, I can only think of slutty Lena decide to be in an actual relationship, idk.

maybe the after finished the game the dev told us about lena past, 5 night at diddy's Axel

 

[ffive]

I think they meant that Lena's corrupted because she's not a virgin anymore, since it's usually the innocent/pure virgin trope in games as a start. As for redemption, I can only think of slutty Lena decide to be in an actual relationship, idk.

Hmm i thought it was about the character being insecure mess as reflected by her possibly settling for assholes in the game, while choosing the "good option" of Ian would be the "redemption". I admit, the "not a virgin = corrupted" angle didn't even occur to me. But i guess some could view it in such way.

 

[GokutheG]

Hmm i thought it was about the character being insecure mess as reflected by her possibly settling for assholes in the game, while choosing the "good option" of Ian would be the "redemption". I admit, the "not a virgin = corrupted" angle didn't even occur to me. But i guess some could view it in such way.

The reality might just be that each guy li is just a vehicle for certain fetishes with no real character. The exceptions seem to be Stan, Axel, Ian and Seymour. I would hope that being a complete asshole wasn't an intentional decision to push players towards Ian because it seems that if you aren't into Ian or those exceptions currently there are no guy li that I can see leading to a happy ending for Lena.

 

[Hungover00]

The reality might just be that each guy li is just a vehicle for certain fetishes with no real character. The exceptions seem to be Stan, Axel, Ian and Seymour. I would hope that being a complete asshole wasn't an intentional decision to push players towards Ian because it seems that if you aren't into Ian or those exceptions currently there are no guy li that I can see leading to a happy ending for Lena.

At least there is Holly. Maybe that's the commentary, if you don't find yourself a unicorn (decent guy), switch teams and go to clam town! Maybe EK is a believer in the spaghetti theory, women are straight until wet.

 

[aifgamer]

I would argue that the basis for a corruption story is a character who doesn't value themselves or their sexuality. That's Lena in ORS (depending somewhat on player choices, of course). It's not about how many partners she's had or how nerdy she is.

 

[Hungover00]

One aside mechanics question, why does it cost a willpower during the second Holly Trinity threesome to focus on Holly a bit extra for a few slides? Seems way out of proportion. Does it create a new flag of some kind?

 

[ffive]

One aside mechanics question, why does it cost a willpower during the second Holly Trinity threesome to focus on Holly a bit extra for a few slides? Seems way out of proportion. Does it create a new flag of some kind?

IIRC this depends on what level of Lust skill Lena has. If it's high enough it's a "free action" otherwise it'll cost you some willpower to rim Holly's other hole.

And yes, it does set a flag that Holly had naughty things done to her (and liked it)

 

[JoeSte91]

Yeah I made a post a while back that Lena's partners are a pretty disappointing bunch. None of the men even really take Lena out on dates. They pop up in the story to fuck her and that's pretty much all she gets out of the relationships. Ian gets courted more by the women than Lena does by the men.

I'm still unsure whether this is flaw or a potentially clever narrative choice. A young, hot, stylish women like Lena would have better romantic options than the rogue's gallery of cheaters and douchebags in ORS. It could be the author is using the roster of love interests as a tacit means of communicating that this character is an insecure mess.

If so, it's essentially a reversal of the standard female PC corruption plot. The character starts off corrupt and the player can redeem her or not.

It's not like anyone really dates these days. The modern version of meeting people is through dating apps whether there's conversation/sussing each other out before anyone ever meets. I'm sure some people do it the old fashioned way of meeting, asking for a number, and calling to arrange a date, but it's becoming increasingly atypical.

Besides that, the majority of men that Lena does meet/know aren't in positions to date her. Axel comes with baggage, and when they finally do sit down to meet properly, it's over coffee where he apologizes. Mike is a no-go because he's in a relationship, so he wouldn't explicitly date Lena. Jeremy at least puts up a front of not fucking around with Lena because of Ian and Louise, although he's easy to break. Even if they want to, their circumstances prevent them from dating Lena. Unless you're suggesting they just dump their girlfriends or come clean to the conflicted parties, in which case yeah, but then there's no story. Eva isn't the first writer to abuse a lack of communication to create narrative tension.

But there is one guy outside of Ian who tries to date Lena. Stan, although he's too shy to do it for most of the current story. Lena has to take the initiative to invite HIM out, and perhaps that's a commentary of the changing gender roles in modern dating. But he does ask Lena to a movie date later on. It can become sexual but it's Lena that nudges it in that direction, and that's also true of Ian. Lena is the one to invite him to her room, there's no pressure from Ian.

 

[Hungover00]

It's not like anyone really dates these days. The modern version of meeting people is through dating apps whether there's conversation/sussing each other out before anyone ever meets. I'm sure some people do it the old fashioned way of meeting, asking for a number, and calling to arrange a date, but it's becoming increasingly atypical.

Besides that, the majority of men that Lena does meet/know aren't in positions to date her. Axel comes with baggage, and when they finally do sit down to meet properly, it's over coffee where he apologizes. Mike is a no-go because he's in a relationship, so he wouldn't explicitly date Lena. Jeremy at least puts up a front of not fucking around with Lena because of Ian and Louise, although he's easy to break. Even if they want to, their circumstances prevent them from dating Lena. Unless you're suggesting they just dump their girlfriends or come clean to the conflicted parties, in which case yeah, but then there's no story. Eva isn't the first writer to abuse a lack of communication to create narrative tension.

But there is one guy outside of Ian who tries to date Lena. Stan, although he's too shy to do it for most of the current story. Lena has to take the initiative to invite HIM out, and perhaps that's a commentary of the changing gender roles in modern dating. But he does ask Lena to a movie date later on. It can become sexual but it's Lena that nudges it in that direction, and that's also true of Ian. Lena is the one to invite him to her room, there's no pressure from Ian.

People who are seeing each other, however it starts, still go on dates though. Basically any activity, out and about, with the people in the relationship, can be a date. Even chore dates (shopping/errands) are a bit more than fucking someone at their work, or calling them for a hookup. Ian and Lena walk in the park at least. Go on a mini-beach vacation, hit the club together. No one else even takes her out to a movie or dinner (forgot, rich guy takes her to dinner to grill her about Nitzche), the most cliched of dates. Even Ian seeing Lena at the life drawing class is closer to a date than everyone else, iirc. (haven't played the recent Stan route) I think the point stands that all Lena's male LIs are not treating her well stands.

At least lampshade that shit by them not wanting to be caught out, while on a date.