VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[aifgamer]

they're all a bunch of toxic douchebags.

Yeah I made a post a while back that Lena's partners are a pretty disappointing bunch. None of the men even really take Lena out on dates. They pop up in the story to fuck her and that's pretty much all she gets out of the relationships. Ian gets courted more by the women than Lena does by the men.

I'm still unsure whether this is flaw or a potentially clever narrative choice. A young, hot, stylish women like Lena would have better romantic options than the rogue's gallery of cheaters and douchebags in ORS. It could be the author is using the roster of love interests as a tacit means of communicating that this character is an insecure mess.

If so, it's essentially a reversal of the standard female PC corruption plot. The character starts off corrupt and the player can redeem her or not.

 

[ffive]

If so, it's essentially a reversal of the standard female PC corruption plot. The character starts off corrupt and the player can redeem her or not.

Uhmm no? There's nothing about Lena that's "corrupt" when she starts the game, or anything to "redeem" her from. She's potentially a nerd who only had two boyfriends ever, and one of those boyfriends was a wanna-be dom who cheated on her with another girl. That is her source of insecurity -- the guy she was in love with apparently didn't value her as much as she valued him, and their relationship.

 

[Saerwen]

Uhmm no? There's nothing about Lena that's "corrupt" when she starts the game, or anything to "redeem" her from. She's potentially a nerd who only had two boyfriends ever, and one of those boyfriends was a wanna-be dom who cheated on her with another girl.

I think they meant that Lena's corrupted because she's not a virgin anymore, since it's usually the innocent/pure virgin trope in games as a start. As for redemption, I can only think of is that slutty Lena decide to be in an actual relationship, idk.

 

[Stephanie98]

I think they meant that Lena's corrupted because she's not a virgin anymore, since it's usually the innocent/pure virgin trope in games as a start. As for redemption, I can only think of slutty Lena decide to be in an actual relationship, idk.

maybe the after finished the game the dev told us about lena past, 5 night at diddy's Axel

 

[ffive]

I think they meant that Lena's corrupted because she's not a virgin anymore, since it's usually the innocent/pure virgin trope in games as a start. As for redemption, I can only think of slutty Lena decide to be in an actual relationship, idk.

Hmm i thought it was about the character being insecure mess as reflected by her possibly settling for assholes in the game, while choosing the "good option" of Ian would be the "redemption". I admit, the "not a virgin = corrupted" angle didn't even occur to me. But i guess some could view it in such way.

 

[GokutheG]

Hmm i thought it was about the character being insecure mess as reflected by her possibly settling for assholes in the game, while choosing the "good option" of Ian would be the "redemption". I admit, the "not a virgin = corrupted" angle didn't even occur to me. But i guess some could view it in such way.

The reality might just be that each guy li is just a vehicle for certain fetishes with no real character. The exceptions seem to be Stan, Axel, Ian and Seymour. I would hope that being a complete asshole wasn't an intentional decision to push players towards Ian because it seems that if you aren't into Ian or those exceptions currently there are no guy li that I can see leading to a happy ending for Lena.

 

[Hungover00]

The reality might just be that each guy li is just a vehicle for certain fetishes with no real character. The exceptions seem to be Stan, Axel, Ian and Seymour. I would hope that being a complete asshole wasn't an intentional decision to push players towards Ian because it seems that if you aren't into Ian or those exceptions currently there are no guy li that I can see leading to a happy ending for Lena.

At least there is Holly. Maybe that's the commentary, if you don't find yourself a unicorn (decent guy), switch teams and go to clam town! Maybe EK is a believer in the spaghetti theory, women are straight until wet.

 

[aifgamer]

I would argue that the basis for a corruption story is a character who doesn't value themselves or their sexuality. That's Lena in ORS (depending somewhat on player choices, of course). It's not about how many partners she's had or how nerdy she is.

 

[Hungover00]

One aside mechanics question, why does it cost a willpower during the second Holly Trinity threesome to focus on Holly a bit extra for a few slides? Seems way out of proportion. Does it create a new flag of some kind?

 

[ffive]

One aside mechanics question, why does it cost a willpower during the second Holly Trinity threesome to focus on Holly a bit extra for a few slides? Seems way out of proportion. Does it create a new flag of some kind?

IIRC this depends on what level of Lust skill Lena has. If it's high enough it's a "free action" otherwise it'll cost you some willpower to rim Holly's other hole.

And yes, it does set a flag that Holly had naughty things done to her (and liked it)

 

[JoeSte91]

Yeah I made a post a while back that Lena's partners are a pretty disappointing bunch. None of the men even really take Lena out on dates. They pop up in the story to fuck her and that's pretty much all she gets out of the relationships. Ian gets courted more by the women than Lena does by the men.

I'm still unsure whether this is flaw or a potentially clever narrative choice. A young, hot, stylish women like Lena would have better romantic options than the rogue's gallery of cheaters and douchebags in ORS. It could be the author is using the roster of love interests as a tacit means of communicating that this character is an insecure mess.

If so, it's essentially a reversal of the standard female PC corruption plot. The character starts off corrupt and the player can redeem her or not.

It's not like anyone really dates these days. The modern version of meeting people is through dating apps whether there's conversation/sussing each other out before anyone ever meets. I'm sure some people do it the old fashioned way of meeting, asking for a number, and calling to arrange a date, but it's becoming increasingly atypical.

Besides that, the majority of men that Lena does meet/know aren't in positions to date her. Axel comes with baggage, and when they finally do sit down to meet properly, it's over coffee where he apologizes. Mike is a no-go because he's in a relationship, so he wouldn't explicitly date Lena. Jeremy at least puts up a front of not fucking around with Lena because of Ian and Louise, although he's easy to break. Even if they want to, their circumstances prevent them from dating Lena. Unless you're suggesting they just dump their girlfriends or come clean to the conflicted parties, in which case yeah, but then there's no story. Eva isn't the first writer to abuse a lack of communication to create narrative tension.

But there is one guy outside of Ian who tries to date Lena. Stan, although he's too shy to do it for most of the current story. Lena has to take the initiative to invite HIM out, and perhaps that's a commentary of the changing gender roles in modern dating. But he does ask Lena to a movie date later on. It can become sexual but it's Lena that nudges it in that direction, and that's also true of Ian. Lena is the one to invite him to her room, there's no pressure from Ian.

 

[Hungover00]

It's not like anyone really dates these days. The modern version of meeting people is through dating apps whether there's conversation/sussing each other out before anyone ever meets. I'm sure some people do it the old fashioned way of meeting, asking for a number, and calling to arrange a date, but it's becoming increasingly atypical.

Besides that, the majority of men that Lena does meet/know aren't in positions to date her. Axel comes with baggage, and when they finally do sit down to meet properly, it's over coffee where he apologizes. Mike is a no-go because he's in a relationship, so he wouldn't explicitly date Lena. Jeremy at least puts up a front of not fucking around with Lena because of Ian and Louise, although he's easy to break. Even if they want to, their circumstances prevent them from dating Lena. Unless you're suggesting they just dump their girlfriends or come clean to the conflicted parties, in which case yeah, but then there's no story. Eva isn't the first writer to abuse a lack of communication to create narrative tension.

But there is one guy outside of Ian who tries to date Lena. Stan, although he's too shy to do it for most of the current story. Lena has to take the initiative to invite HIM out, and perhaps that's a commentary of the changing gender roles in modern dating. But he does ask Lena to a movie date later on. It can become sexual but it's Lena that nudges it in that direction, and that's also true of Ian. Lena is the one to invite him to her room, there's no pressure from Ian.

People who are seeing each other, however it starts, still go on dates though. Basically any activity, out and about, with the people in the relationship, can be a date. Even chore dates (shopping/errands) are a bit more than fucking someone at their work, or calling them for a hookup. Ian and Lena walk in the park at least. Go on a mini-beach vacation, hit the club together. No one else even takes her out to a movie or dinner (forgot, rich guy takes her to dinner to grill her about Nitzche), the most cliched of dates. Even Ian seeing Lena at the life drawing class is closer to a date than everyone else, iirc. (haven't played the recent Stan route) I think the point stands that all Lena's male LIs are not treating her well stands.

At least lampshade that shit by them not wanting to be caught out, while on a date.

 

[Hungover00]

The fastest and funniest path to corruption for Holly so far is when Lena is on her romance path but spends the night at Ivy's (no biggie when only girls are involved, right) after the birthday party and further down the line not puts up any resistance in the showers which eventually leads to the threesome. Apparently even a whiff of Ivy' pussy is so potent it hijacks our poor little geek and transforms her in a matter of hours into a little dick addict, who wants nothing else from this life but to spend it getting high on the penis. Mind you, previously you protected Holly on every step, picked heart options every chance you get and didn't pursue anyone else (again, lesbomancy doesn't count), but faltered on the finish line, happens all the time, ever heard of Orpheus? I expected, like, maybe for Lena to voice some displeasure at this turn of events, but so far the only thing is checked whether or not she watches the gh video or not, or when she presses pause while viewing it, and it just goes from "maybe my friend went a little overboard" to "hell yeah, penises". In conclusion, to all paladins of Order of the Venom Ivy, who are threatening bodily harm on themselves in case if they don't get into her pants the next update, maybe EK was saving you all this years, denying you any story progression with the violet eyed whore, just look what it does to characters who weren't prepared for it.

I'm waiting for the final of this chapter/part to see if Holly is really meant to go off like that so often, or if some of them are bugs.

Question for you though, did Ivy push Holly and Mark(?) together on this path for you?

 

[Hungover00]

The fastest and funniest path to corruption for Holly so far is when Lena is on her romance path but spends the night at Ivy's (no biggie when only girls are involved, right) after the birthday party and further down the line not puts up any resistance in the showers which eventually leads to the threesome. Apparently even a whiff of Ivy' pussy is so potent it hijacks our poor little geek and transforms her in a matter of hours into a little dick addict, who wants nothing else from this life but to spend it getting high on the penis. Mind you, previously you protected Holly on every step, picked heart options every chance you get and didn't pursue anyone else (again, lesbomancy doesn't count), but faltered on the finish line, happens all the time, ever heard of Orpheus? I expected, like, maybe for Lena to voice some displeasure at this turn of events, but so far the only thing is checked whether or not she watches the gh video or not, or when she presses pause while viewing it, and it just goes from "maybe my friend went a little overboard" to "hell yeah, penises". In conclusion, to all paladins of Order of the Venom Ivy, who are threatening bodily harm on themselves in case if they don't get into her pants the next update, maybe EK was saving you all this years, denying you any story progression with the violet eyed whore, just look what it does to characters who weren't prepared for it.

It's kinda sad too, Ivy's view of releasing Holly's sexuality is to get Holly to perform sex acts on other people. Why not turn Holly into a man eater (figuratively) that tells men and women how to please her (Holly)?

 

[Saerwen]

It's kinda sad too, Ivy's view of releasing Holly's sexuality is to get Holly to perform sex acts on other people. Why not turn Holly into a man eater (figuratively) that tells men and women how to please her (Holly)?

Yeah, I don't get Ivy's motive. I remember in middle school, girls were trying to get me to smoke and use profanity and I was like why would I listen to you? I will do whatever I want to do, nobody can tell me what to do.

 

[Nifferman]

Yeah, I don't get Ivy's motive. I remember in middle school, girls were trying to get me to smoke and use profanity and I was like why would I listen to you? I will do whatever I want to do, nobody can tell me what to do.

Well not everyone is that level headed. Holly is desperate to fit in, so she is willing to go to extreme length to show her new frds that she has what it takes to be their equal, and ik a decent amount of people who will go to similar length to prove they are "cool".

 

[Xupuzulla]

It's kinda sad too, Ivy's view of releasing Holly's sexuality is to get Holly to perform sex acts on other people. Why not turn Holly into a man eater (figuratively) that tells men and women how to please her (Holly)?

Because Ivy is a horrible person who only cares about her own pleasure,the end of that scene proves it.

 

[varpep]

Now Wade is on the market Lena better not drag her feet! Sure he may be something of a slob but...I can fix him

 

[varpep]

In all these talks about Ivy corrupting Holly, people are not talking about Lena's involvement in the whole ordeal. Lena is just as well a culprit in the slootification of our beloved Innocent geek. She can stand by and watch Ivy consume Holly. She can encourage her to pursue Mark. And to top it all off, she could encourage Holly to embrace her inner slut which without doing, Ivy would not be as successful in corrupting Holly to the state she is in now.

 

[Xupuzulla]

In all these talks about Ivy corrupting Holly, people are not talking about Lena's involvement in the whole ordeal. Lena is just as well a culprit in the slootification of our beloved Innocent geek. She can stand by and watch Ivy consume Holly. She can encourage her to pursue Mark. And to top it all off, she could encourage Holly to embrace her inner slut which without doing, Ivy would not be as successful in corrupting Holly to the state she is in now.

Stop blaming other for the viper crimes,that whole drugged scene has only one culprit and her name is Ivy FUCKING Feynman