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Eva turns "Our Red String" into "Requiem for a Dream" finale. I'm going to be one in a crowd shouting: Ass to ass! Ass to ass!Food stamp survivor, welfare check connoisseur looking ass crack hoe.
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Hungover00
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Really, people think Robert is evil? I just thought he was generally shitty and not good enough, which the game seems to agree with.I mean im defending Holly of all people
Im still waiting for the Ivy essays btw you guys loved writing about Robert and his "evil" acts,where is the outrage for Ivy actions and her evil stench being felt all over game.
WHERE!?
As for Ivy, I think the problem is we get hints of her being a snake in the grass, but we haven't gotten the actual proof yet. She's a master of deflection and plausible deniability.
Those do seem to be the two big offenses that are hinted at. Her not showing up at Axel's was a favour to Axel, not failing to do one for Lena. She's probably been fucking Axel the whole time, too, but just when convenient. She treats Holly as her personal sex slave and slut apprentice, and doesn't really think ethics or morality should apply to herself. But has she been love-bombing Holly and dominating her that way, or are her methods more malevolent? It's kind of the core of Ivy's character, trying to figure out if she is a sexually liberated hedonist with a different set of values, or a sociopath that loves manipulating everyone around her for her own amusement and benefit. Both arguments can be made, and there is no conclusive evidence for either side, just a lot for both.
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Lena and Holly do/can start before Ian gets there for the first post-start threesome. I imagine that there will be solo scenes of every variety, well, unless that becomes more work for EK than they want. But there's at least some Lena/Holly scenes that wouldn't have been seen on that playthrough that could be recycled. And some for Ian/Holly or Ian/Lena depending on how you got there, but that does leave a bit of a gap. Though that could be explained by spending a bit more time on the new partner, and the gap would be the scenes that would already be written for committed paths.
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Bro people in this thread acted like Stan was the worst person ever for fapping to the Lena pics
But somehow Ivy gets a pass for destroying a beloved character,a fan favourite,the patreons and F95 darling and queen.
REALLY MAKES ONE THINK AND WONDER!
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Well, she bought that toy she'd seen in that movie, so...yeah.
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Some people play the cuck path, and think Axel is a good partner. There's no accounting for taste.Bro people in this thread acted like Stan was the worst person ever for fapping to the Lena pics
But somehow Ivy gets a pass for destroying a beloved character,a fan favourite,the patreons and F95 darling and queen.
REALLY MAKES ONE THINK AND WONDER!
And it's kind of on the players if they let Holly be defiled/sluttified. There's plenty of chances to not let that happen (though once it starts, it doesn't look likely to stop).
if ivy-axel are team,for me it is betrayal against lena.I love the sluttly side of ivy but no more
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What slutty side? We have yet to see her having sex with anyone besides Lena, Holly and sucking off Jeremy once. Mike is off-screen and only a claim too!
We all know Ivy is secretly chaste and waiting for the right guy or gal.
sluty doesnt necessary mean sex!What slutty side? We have yet to see her having sex with anyone besides Lena, Holly and sucking off Jeremy once. Mike is off-screen and only a claim too!
We all know Ivy is secretly chaste and waiting for the right guy or gal.
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That's not what i asked about. Who is to say that Jeremy isn't offering Alison drugs, and that Alison isn't taking them because she feels pressurized to keep Jeremy's interest? Maybe Ian's remarks are also supposed to highlight that her behavior is not "normal" for her?
The game literally refers to Alison who goes this route as a bimbo. This is, if anything, the extreme form of "corruption" in these games, that goes beyond basic "slutty" behavior of sucking a few cocks.
The lack of any evidence, and how it undermines these theories when they concern Ivy instead of another character is precisely the point.
Lena potentially never seen Holly fuck, period, and yet her remark is taken as a gospel. As if she is suddenly an expert on both Holly's sex life *and* drugs, when she has potentially never ever taken any herself.
To be exact, she offers drugs to Lena once. If Lena turns down the offer Ivy herself concludes the next time Lena doesn't want any, and you have to make an active choice there to get drugs from her.
Given this, the presumption that Ivy is drugging Holly against Holly's consent is not just far-reaching but actively ignoring/contradicting what the game actually shows us, regarding Ivy and drugs.
whatever it is just a little details.With a game full of hot women in skimpy clothing it does
Xupuzulla
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You are missing the point of my post,people in this thread never cared about different paths while talking SHIT about Jeremy,Stan,Robert,Seymour,etc(basically all the male characters not named Ian).
But somehow Ivy gets a pass.
Somehow Ivy gets the benefit of doubt.
Somehow Ivy gets no heat for her crimes.
Thats the point of my posts.
Lena is able to walk in on Holly In flagrante delicto a few times before that point in the game, and also notes how Holly is purposefully trying to be like Ivy.
But there's not a lack of evidence in Ivy's case. Hard evidence sure, but to completely dismiss it out of hand as preposterous (especially since that was a big plot line in EK's previous game) is just denial.
But like i said, the actual evidence in the game is that Ivy will offer people drugs openly and that she will respect the other person's choice on whether they want to take them. If there's any denial to speak of, it's ignoring these facts in favor of theory that Ivy is pressuring Holly or otherwise drugging her without Holly's consent. Even though this is opposite to what we get to see.
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Though that ignores that Ivy/Lena and Ivy/Holly's relationship is very different. Lena is her best friend, confident already and can (usually) manage her own boundaries, so aggressively pressuring her won't work as well. Though she does try and push Lena into situations without checking in first, like setting up that first shoot, or hides/neglects to mention things, such as she was at Axel's place, she asked Mark to send her pics/vids of Holly, and that she blocked Lena out of Holly's graduation, so it could be presented as a fait accompli. Lena is more of an equal to Ivy (though she may also harbour envy and want to sully her), so she treats her as one.
Holly has never been treated like Ivy's equal by Ivy. She is under her, under her tutelage and under her snatch and under her control. So, while we don't know if Ivy would try and force drugs on Holly, it actually wouldn't necessarily be contradicting what we have seen, as their dynamic is different. I honestly don't know if she would sneak drugs into Holly's drink, or if she'd just use her dominant position in the relationship to pressure Holly to take drugs, but neither would completely surprise me. She'd just find an excuse afterwards if Holly or Lena was upset, rationalising her behaviour and taking no accountability.
But that's part of the character Ivy's charm, she's going around, making moves (many of them secretive), and always has a smoke screen up so you never really know if any action is earnest or is part of a greater manipulation.
With Lena, Ivy needs to play a slow game of corruption. With Holly, there is no such restriction (if Lena doesn't protect her). Ivy loves pulling strings.
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An interesting part to this is that Ivy brings Lena to the washroom the second time even if Lena refused the first. She creates an opportunity for Lena to change her mind.
I feel like Ivy has created this part time job for herself to corrupt Lena, but approaches it like a wave slowly eating away at a cliff. Adds pressure, takes it away, comes at her from a different angle and adds pressure again. Patient and slowly, but always trying to make Lena more and more like her, so Lena's natural advantages over Ivy are washed away, and Ivy can finally be triumphant.
But that's mixed in with the admiration and long standing friendship.
At least that's my working theory.
I think that, given as you note yourself, Ivy doesn't actually have problem with trying to push boundaries with Lena, or do things behind Lena's back, the idea that she treats Lena and Holly differently is, well, just another presumption the game itself doesn't really support. Wouldn't it be more logical to take things at face value, and conclude that there's things Ivy thinks are okay to do (like fucking a guy she knows Lena is interested in, or making a move on a girl she's interested in) and there's things Ivy thinks aren't okay, like drugging people against their consent?
Seriously, it kind of boggles the mind why exactly people believe Ivy is the sort of a person who'd drug and rape someone while what, pretending to be their friend? It's funny that for all the talk about "double standards that give women a pass" she seems to be the only person who get smeared with this kind of talk.
Meantime, fucking Arthur: Hello, Lena
*audience: wild cheers*
double standards, indeed.