Eleanorduval

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I don t see a lena/alison happen,she is jealous about the fact lena is a model and in relation with ian.
same for lena/minerva,as ian having an affair with ian.But a throuple maybe.
same for cherry as perry pursue her,ian can be in relation with her,lena hate her...

Eva is using the mecanism jealous/cheating so some paths seem impossible in the game.
 

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I don t see a lena/alison happen,she is jealous about the fact lena is a model and in relation with ian.
same for lena/minerva,as ian having an affair with ian.But a throuple maybe.
same for cherry as perry pursue her,ian can be in relation with her,lena hate her...

Eva is using the mecanism jealous/cheating so some paths seem impossible in the game.
Ian can also not be in a relationship with Lena. That is how Lena and Holly, the not apparently bisexual girl, get into a relationship.

Lena/Ian may be the default that the game is designed behind, but it's not the one rule to override them all.
 

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And? Wanting to be with her and kissing her is more than enough to indicate an attraction to that person with her same gender.

How can Holly be "curious" about bi, when she had several romantical and/or sexual relationships with girls? She is confirmed to be bi.
man there is difference between kiss than sex! kissing isn t necessary mean romantic relation! u need more than kiss to make it romantic relation.

seem to me u want every girls in the game to be bi lol
 
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she quited holly to hangout with popular girl...u can presume the relation was from side of holly or not strong lol
I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. But Holly expressed that her feelings with this woman were romantic, regardless of how deep their relationship was and how it turned out.
It's similar to what you say when you want to send someone to the friend zone. :KEK:
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Lena is very protective over Holly and doesn't believe that she can take it being used by man, hence she either drops Ian or leaves him so that he and Holly get together, if he fucked Holly. Though it is possible that it ends in a throuple in which all threee love each other.

A similar case is when Minerva ends her affair with Ian if he dates Holly, because she believes Holly wouldn't take it well. Once again, Holly is the only girl where Minerva cares.

Louise also doesn't sent a text if Ian is with Holly. He can be together with every other girl and she still texts him to flirt with him. This could be sloppy coding to avoid messing with Holly, or Louise knows Ian is taking with her and once again doesn't want to interfer, while she has less issues contacting him if he is with Lena (currently a questionable plot point, at least Ian comments on it and can back out because of that).

Overall, its impossible for Ian to cheat on Holly in the long run, he automatically ends their relationship on his own if he still has feelings for other people, because he doesn't believe he can make her happy, then.

Hollys special threatment is sort of consistent in that people around her correctly assume that Holly can't take getting cheated on as well as say Lena, who is a used to it and tougher. Still, EvaKiss bias and special plans toward Holly are noticable and it can understandibly seen as inconsisten since Ian and Lena are behaving different with other people.


While Ian and Lena can cheat a lot, at least in Ian case it starts to have consequences and he is forced to decide between ending love relationships or stop cheating with some exceptions. In Lenas case, it is questionable how she can still fuck 10+ people in one run and don't commit to anyone aside Ian. Supposedly its the nature of her relationship that she isn't serious with most of them, but she really should start commiting and ending other relationships. She does it with Ian, but there are still many flings that can still be go on and it can be seen as a writing inconsisty, either voluntarily by Eva, or involuntarily if the many choices and paths just overwhelmed them.

Do I have to remind you that Ian knew Holly before either of them knew Lena and that Holly wanted to sleep with Ian? Holly invited him to go with her, and Holly "messed up" their sleeping arrangements, and it was Holly that kissed Ian FIRST!

May I also remind you that Lena is so protective of Holly, she lets her sleep with Ivy and encourages her to sleep around with other guys that Ivy suggests... some protection.

Ian actually cares about Holly as more than a piece of meat as they have the same interests and... most importantly, IAN AND LENA WERE NOT A COUPLE AT ALL!

Shortly after all that bullshit happened, Lena calls up Mike, who has a girlfriend, and has him over to her place and fucks him. The next morning Mike left early and Lena finds out that Jeremy, her best friends boyfriend and Ian's friend, is sleeping in Louise's room, so Lena sucks and fucks him as well.

All through this, I have to endure the bullshit dialog of SIMP Ian being in perpetual guilt for fooling around on his fuck buddy. Ridiculous! I ended up holding down CTRL and speeding past most of the dialog lately as it is utterly ridiculous.

As for how well Holly "can take getting cheated on", that is irrelevant as Holly admitted to both Ian and Lena that SHE THOUGHT THE TWO OF THEM WERE INTERESTED IN EACH OTHER, yet she PLANNED to have sex with Ian anyhow... and why not, HOLLY KNEW IAN BEFORE EITHER OF THEM EVEN MET LENA and was interested in him first!

Again, the dialog is utterly ridiculous, even if our woke writer has plans for the future, the dialog is beyond annoying. I am on the verge of deleting this game and moving on as I am all about a good story, and this is turning into a really poorly written one.

At the very least, Ian should have raised the fact that Lena was sleeping with Robert, that is one he knew about. Perhaps bring up her hypocrisy in all of this and the fact that he knew Holly first, and him and Holly actually have the same interests and Holly hit on him first and he treated her well. He certainly shouldn't be apologizing to what is a FUCK BUDDY at best! Very annoying and insults the reader.
 
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You *are* aware there's other ways of going about things in the game, I hope? You're complaining about one specific way things can unfold if *you*, the player, *make* them happen that way.
Yup, I 100% understand that. So show me the OPTION I get to call Lena a hypocrite?! You don't get that as an option, do you?? No, you do not, you have to endure Ian feeling perpetually guilty when he did nothing wrong, no matter how you swing it, that is poor writing, poor options... pure bullshit. Especially when Lena is doing the same, or worse. Were we given the option for Lena to realize how hypocritical it would be to criticize Ian when she was far worse?! NO. Don't give me your bullshit.


Oh, and I actually played a route where Ian sleeps with NOBODY, and Lena does... guess how much shit she got in for that route? None.
 
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Do I have to remind you that Ian knew Holly before either of them knew Lena and that Holly wanted to sleep with Ian? Holly invited him to go with her, and Holly "messed up" their sleeping arrangements, and it was Holly that kissed Ian FIRST!

May I also remind you that Lena is so protective of Holly, she lets her sleep with Ivy and encourages her to sleep around with other guys that Ivy suggests... some protection.

Ian actually cares about Holly as more than a piece of meat as they have the same interests and... most importantly, IAN AND LENA WERE NOT A COUPLE AT ALL!

Shortly after all that bullshit happened, Lena calls up Mike, who has a girlfriend, and has him over to her place and fucks him. The next morning Mike left early and Lena finds out that Jeremy, her best friends boyfriend and Ian's friend, is sleeping in Louise's room, so Lena sucks and fucks him as well.

All through this, I have to endure the bullshit dialog of SIMP Ian being in perpetual guilt for fooling around on his fuck buddy. Ridiculous! I ended up holding down CTRL and speeding past most of the dialog lately as it is utterly ridiculous.

As for how well Holly "can take getting cheated on", that is irrelevant as Holly admitted to both Ian and Lena that SHE THOUGHT THE TWO OF THEM WERE INTERESTED IN EACH OTHER, yet she PLANNED to have sex with Ian anyhow... and why not, HOLLY KNEW IAN BEFORE EITHER OF THEM EVEN MET LENA and was interested in him first!

Again, the dialog is utterly ridiculous, even if our woke writer has plans for the future, the dialog is beyond annoying. I am on the verge of deleting this game and moving on as I am all about a good story, and this is turning into a really poorly written one.

At the very least, Ian should have raised the fact that Lena was sleeping with Robert, that is one he knew about. Perhaps bring up her hypocrisy in all of this and the fact that he knew Holly first, and him and Holly actually have the same interests and Holly hit on him first and he treated her well. He certainly shouldn't be apologizing to what is a FUCK BUDDY at best! Very annoying and insults the reader.
Lena is upset with Ian if he sleeps with Holly and leaves her to dry in any route. Thats because she is naturally protective of Holly and she knows Holly has feelings for Ian. So her beef isn't that Ian slept around, but that he mishandled Lena's friends feelings. I don't see how the Mike situation correlates, Lena isn't close to his girlfriend and thus not protective of her. Jeremy situation can be seen as hypocritical, Lena should be wary of her roomates feelings. But that is your decision to make her act that way and Ian doesn't even know about that happening so he can't even raise it as a an argument. Lena sleeping with Robert is also irrelevant, nobody is getting hurt by them sleeping with each other.

I also don't understand the point of saying Ian knew Holly longer. Prior to the game starting Ian was friendly with Holly and she had a crush on him, but they weren't good friends or anything. Lena and Holly on the other hand are hard coded to become friends during the game, so their friendship is greater and more important.
 

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Lena is upset with Ian if he sleeps with Holly and leaves her to dry in any route. Thats because she is naturally protective of Holly and she knows Holly has feelings for Ian. So her beef isn't that Ian slept around, but that he mishandled Lena's friends feelings. I don't see how the Mike situation correlates, Lena isn't close to his girlfriend and thus not protective of her. Jeremy situation can be seen as hypocritical, Lena should be wary of her roomates feelings. But that is your decision to make her act that way and Ian doesn't even know about that happening so he can't even raise it as a an argument. Lena sleeping with Robert is also irrelevant, nobody is getting hurt by them sleeping with each other.

I also don't understand the point of saying Ian knew Holly longer. Prior to the game starting Ian was friendly with Holly and she had a crush on him, but they weren't good friends or anything. Lena and Holly on the other hand are hard coded to become friends during the game, so their friendship is greater and more important.
Yeah it's obvious that Holly has a crush that Ian's oblivious to at the beginning of the game. Jeremy's a sack of shit so any inconsistencies regarding his route isn't surprising to me especially since you can warn Louis about him to try and spare her feelings in one route .

That's why the backgound of the mc getting cheated on in this game is so massively underwhelming is because there are routes where they can turn around a do the exact same thing when they know how devastatingit can be.
 
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So show me the OPTION I get to call Lena a hypocrite?! You don't get that as an option, do you??
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If Lena didn't sleep with Robert, he just calls it unfair, but if she did he says it's not different from what he did. Which is pointing at supposed hypocrisy. He doesn't literally call her a hypocrite but you do have the option to point at her apparent hypocrisy.
 

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While Ian and Lena can cheat a lot, at least in Ian case it starts to have consequences and he is forced to decide between ending love relationships or stop cheating with some exceptions. In Lenas case, it is questionable how she can still fuck 10+ people in one run and don't commit to anyone aside Ian. Supposedly its the nature of her relationship that she isn't serious with most of them, but she really should start commiting and ending other relationships. She does it with Ian, but there are still many flings that can still be go on and it can be seen as a writing inconsisty, either voluntarily by Eva, or involuntarily if the many choices and paths just overwhelmed them.
She can try and commit to Mark (the DJ, damn I hate that there are two M names at the club), luring him away from his girlfriend. It just blows up in her face. And Holly, though I don't know if you can cheat on her (though I imagine you can at least with Seymour, since that can happen in the Holly Trinity route). Axel seems like he'll become a romance at some point, for those foolish enough to follow that path. But yeah, she doesn't have great options for romance.
 

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Besides, in these kinds of games sexualities are often technicalities that are easily ignored. Eva has the very typical "straight until you bang a chick" and "lesbian doesn't count for cheating" attitudes to f/f pairings so I don't really see any limits besides how much any character interacts with another. Alison, Minerva and Cherry would surprise me as bi options simply because they don't really interact with Lena.
Yeah, EK definitely leans into the 'woman are like spaghetti, straight until wet,' worldview.
 

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Oh, and then there's a more generic problem I see with a lot of visual novels, and that is the "we need to talk about the sex we had"... I'm like, "who in the hell does that in real life?! I never did!". Whenever I see that starting up in a VN I roll my eyes and think "Oh no, not again! NO YOU DON'T NEED TO TALK!" LMAO... what is it with VNs and their need to have a serious talk after a quickie with a fuck buddy?? I don't know about the rest of you, but I didn't sit down and have a serious discussion after each hookup. LOL

I have thought about creating my own visual novel and adding in some humour into it. Like when someone wants a serious talk and then have the *DEV* suddenly comment with something humorous. I even had the idea that a character would avoid something common and annoying and not do it then have the a *DEV* comment appear where he says "someone's getting an extra orgasm in the next scene" ;)
 
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