VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[CreativeCritic2]

Lesbianism is not cheating, according to EK

It's one of two things...

a) It's not cheating because bisexual sex doesn't count.
b) It's not cheating because it isn't real sex if it doesn't involve a cock going into a pussy or ass.

Neither is correct but both are amazingly prevalent notions. I know a lesbian woman who is *constantly* at it but if she goes to a doctor to talk about her reproductive health, her doctor puts her down as a virgin because she's never fucked a guy.

Eva is a thoughtful writer with a real eye for the subtleties of human sexuality but she also has some quite regressive ideas that surface from time to time.

 

[fatpussy123]

Cheating is done when you sleep with someone your partner doesn't want you to. For most people that means anyone that's not your partner. In open relationships it's not cheating to sleep around, but would be cheating if your partner said not to sleep with someone specific and you still did. For certain couples, both fictional and in real life, it's not cheating if the woman sleeps with other women. From both Ian and Lena's perspective, it's not a big deal for Lena to sleep with Louise. That doesn't give Ian the right to sleep with Louise, threesome or not, the code of ethics dictates no sleeping with someone your girlfriend doesn't want you sleeping with, in Lena's case and most 99% of other women, that means all women. If Ian doesn't like these rules, he shouldn't be in a romantic relationship.

And if we want to say Ian should be given the opportunity to be upset at Lena for sleeping with Louise, I would agree, but the game does not have infinite choices. And certain things need to be hard coded into Ian. The fact that he is into FFM threesomes is also hard coded. Sucks, but we can't decide his stance on lesbian sex during hetero romance.

 

[Blurpee69]

Lesbianism is not cheating, according to EK; hence, Lena gets out scot-free. Can't say that for Ian cuz he's not a lesbian.

Simple solution. Go full brokeback with Wade or Jeremy. Not cheating cuz it's gay.

 

[MF_DOOM]

Simple solution. Go full brokeback with Wade or Jeremy. Not cheating cuz it's gay.

There is nothing gay about a friendly Brojob between bros.

 

[Saerwen]

b) It's not cheating because it isn't real sex if it doesn't involve a cock going into a pussy or ass.

I know a lesbian woman who is *constantly* at it but if she goes to a doctor to talk about her reproductive health, her doctor puts her down as a virgin because she's never fucked a guy.

It's the old mentality of a girl becomes a woman when she's consummating her marriage on a wedding night.

For certain couples, both fictional and in real life, it's not cheating if the woman sleeps with other women. From both Ian and Lena's perspective, it's not a big deal for Lena to sleep with Louise. That doesn't give Ian the right to sleep with Louise, threesome or not, the code of ethics dictates no sleeping with someone your girlfriend doesn't want you sleeping with, in Lena's case and most 99% of other women, that means all women.

That's because those couples(guy and a girl)don't see women as threat if a woman is bisexual. You are right though, for 99% other women are threat when they are in a heterosexual relationship, just like for guys other men are threat in heterosexual relationship.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

Cheating is done when you sleep with someone your partner doesn't want you to. For most people that means anyone that's not your partner. In open relationships it's not cheating to sleep around, but would be cheating if your partner said not to sleep with someone specific and you still did. For certain couples, both fictional and in real life, it's not cheating if the woman sleeps with other women. From both Ian and Lena's perspective, it's not a big deal for Lena to sleep with Louise. That doesn't give Ian the right to sleep with Louise, threesome or not, the code of ethics dictates no sleeping with someone your girlfriend doesn't want you sleeping with, in Lena's case and most 99% of other women, that means all women. If Ian doesn't like these rules, he shouldn't be in a romantic relationship.

And if we want to say Ian should be given the opportunity to be upset at Lena for sleeping with Louise, I would agree, but the game does not have infinite choices. And certain things need to be hard coded into Ian. The fact that he is into FFM threesomes is also hard coded. Sucks, but we can't decide his stance on lesbian sex during hetero romance.

When did Lena specifically say Ian should not sleep with louise solo? That's the point. It is not even mentioned, its presumed. Just like Lena asking for Ian's permission to fuck Ivy, the same thing can also happen in case of Ian. That's the point which i was discussing. You can read it a few posts above.

 

[ffive]

PilotLara seems there's couple minor bugs left in the beta:

            elif v13_louise_date:
                "And to make things sweeter, I had my date with Louise later today..."
                if v13_louise_date:
                    "And, if everything went according to plan, I would be meeting Minerva tonight too. The day looked really promising..."
//...
            elif v13_louise_date:
                "I tried not to beat myself over it more than necessary. My focus was on the date I had with Louise later today..."
                if v13_louise_date:
                    "And, if everything went according to plan, I would be meeting Minerva tonight too. The day looked promising..."

The second check in those two should be for v13_minerva_date instead of louise again.

 

[ffive]

When did Lena specifically say Ian should not sleep with louise solo? That's the point. It is not even mentioned, its presumed.

When they made the arrangement that their "experimenting" in the relationship would be together. All way back in CH.8. And then later when they agreed to have a threesome with Louise. Not that Ian would be free to fuck her on his own.

It's not presumed, it's explicitly stated and Ian recognizes it, hence all his internal monologues on how problematic it is for him to sleep with Louise solo.

I get that you want carte blanche to fuck Louise alone, but this simply doesn't match how the story has arranged Lena/Ian pairing. At least when they are not in open relationship which can be established in Ch.12.

 

[IlikebeingaDIK]

Cheating is processed differently between men and women tbh.

A girl isn't a threat cuz it often doesn't have performance implications (or lack thereof) to the guy being cheated on.

If a girl cheats on a dude with another dude, questions like size, performance and whatnot gonna rise up for the guy being cheated. Most dudes won't think about whether a girl can fuck their girl better.

Similarly a girl will compare beauty, age and whatnot if they got cheated on with another girl. Meanwhile if it's a dude... Well, it's mostly humiliating more than anything else I assume.


I don't think the psyche of cheating is badly done in ORS. But tbh, the only way to understand that properly is if Ian bangs another dude which, for my mental health, hopefully won't happen.

 

[Xupuzulla]

The only thing i know is that Lena is having lesbians parties with the whole female cast but gets mad if Ian fucks the that grounded geek Holly,fuck off

 

[PilotLara]

PilotLara seems there's couple minor bugs left in the beta:

            elif v13_louise_date:
                "And to make things sweeter, I had my date with Louise later today..."
                if v13_louise_date:
                    "And, if everything went according to plan, I would be meeting Minerva tonight too. The day looked really promising..."
//...
            elif v13_louise_date:
                "I tried not to beat myself over it more than necessary. My focus was on the date I had with Louise later today..."
                if v13_louise_date:
                    "And, if everything went according to plan, I would be meeting Minerva tonight too. The day looked promising..."

The second check in those two should be for v13_minerva_date instead of louise again.

 

[ffive]

Case in point:

 

[Saerwen]

Case in point:

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Yeah, imagine MMC and FMC games start having lesbians who will ntr husbands instead of ugly bastards. Male players who don't like lesbian content would be pissed off.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

When they made the arrangement that their "experimenting" in the relationship would be together. All way back in CH.8. And then later when they agreed to have a threesome with Louise. Not that Ian would be free to fuck her on his own.

It's not presumed, it's explicitly stated and Ian recognizes it, hence all his internal monologues on how problematic it is for him to sleep with Louise solo.

I get that you want carte blanche to fuck Louise alone, but this simply doesn't match how the story has arranged Lena/Ian pairing. At least when they are not in open relationship which can be established in Ch.12.

You guys are just not getting the point….
“Together” means Lena as well, she is going around fucking every girl solo without even telling Ian first. The recent update is the first time where she explicitly asks Ian if it would be okay for her to fuck Ivy.
I had explained in detail about how their “experimenting together” arrangement is making exceptions for lena to go solo with girls. But no option for Ian to even ask for the same exceptions.
When Ian & Louise were flirting, was it soo difficult for Ian to ask lena, “Hey, ever since we had that 3some, louise has been trying to get me to fuck her, would it be okay if i had sexual fun with her?”.
Simple……

And i just want this thing to happen in case of Ivy & Emma, we are definitely getting 3somes with them, but Ian needs solo scene with Ivy man, without dumping Lena. Ask her permission ffs, just like she is asking Ian’s

 

[haryel]

Do anyone have saves for each of the routes for ch12 onwards?

 

[ffive]

“Together” means Lena as well, she is going around fucking every girl solo without even telling Ian first.

Yes, Lena is basically not following the arrangement early in the game. This is hand-waved as "it's different when it's two girls" and in particular when it's long-time friends of hers, but if you opt in Ch.12 for Lena to stop cheating, or if you have Lena/Ian to "evolve" to the "pure" status then Lena tries to do better, and follow the same rules that Ian is expected to follow in their relationship.

In other words, instead of Ian acting shitty and cheating on Lena "because she did it first" Lena instead tries to shape up to the expected level of exclusivity their relationship is supposed to have. This is in accordance with the choices you've made about their relationship.

If you want Ian to fuck Louise solo just turn Lena/Ian in open relationship. It's this simple. In this scenario it'll actually cost Ian a will point to pass on Louise's offer.

When Ian & Louise were flirting, would it had been wrong for Ian to ask lena, “Hey, ever since we had that 3some, louise has been trying to grt me to fuck her, would it be okay if i had sexual fun with her?”.

Ian doesn't ask because he already knows the answer to that question: yes, it would be wrong and all sorts of problematic. He explains it in his internal monologues. If you can't understand how it's problematic... well, i think it's more on you..?

Or, to put it differently, if Ian has asked and Lena answered that she is not comfortable with it and doesn't agree to this, would you simply accept that Ian isn't permitted to fuck Louise solo, or complain how it's hypocritical of her and still demand to be allowed to do it just the same?

 

[varpep]

Surprise, surprise... It's funny that you think that a woman would cheat on a guy with another woman because of sex.

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This makes so much sense! I may not be gay but put a dick in front of me and I'm sucking the soul out of that man on God! No pause! All homo!

 

[fatpussy123]

Yes, Lena is basically not following the arrangement early in the game. This is hand-waved as "it's different when it's two girls" and in particular when it's long-time friends of hers, but if you opt in Ch.12 for Lena to stop cheating, or if you have Lena/Ian to "evolve" to the "pure" status then Lena tries to do better, and follow the same rules that Ian is expected to follow in their relationship.

In other words, instead of Ian acting shitty and cheating on Lena "because she did it first" Lena instead tries to shape up to the expected level of exclusivity their relationship is supposed to have.


Ian doesn't ask because he already knows the answer to that question: yes, it would be wrong and all sorts of problematic. If you can't understand how it's problematic... well, i think it's more on you..?

Or, to put it differently, if Ian has asked and Lena answered that she is not comfortable with it and doesn't agree to this, would you simply accept that Ian isn't permitted to fuck Louise solo, or complain how it's hypocritical of her just the same?

To add to this, it's also just not worth it for Eva to add the option to ask about Louise. Most relationships in this game are half run by the player and other half by the game, but Ian x Lena is player choosing against their own choices, controlling both sides. Making branches for this path is complex enough. If you were to add asking about Louise, Lena would automatically refuse and you'd complain about the lack of control there. If you then added the choice to control Lena's answer you're adding way too much complexity for something that's really not that important nor beneficial for the game.

 

[Saerwen]

This makes so much sense! I may not be gay but put a dick in front of me and I'm sucking the soul out of that man on God! No pause! All homo!

Well, according to bisexual men, a man better suck cocks than a woman, so... it's all about practice.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

when it's long-time friends of hers

Emma is a long time friend of Ian’s not lena’s, although we don’t have it right now but, after their upcoming threesome, Ian should get Solo scenes with emma or not? with Lena’s consent ofcourse. Logic fails here if you say no.

and if you apply the same logic of why Ian & Louise cannot have a solo scene after their threesome on Ivy, then that would actually suck. This “Open” relationship is shaping up to be wayy more sexually beneficial for Lena when they agreed to explore Together