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Eh 'my house my rules' applies to what happens in said house. If the parents don't want boys coming over that's fair. But what Holly does outside isn't really any of their business and it's pretty controlling.
I mean it is controlling for sure, but at the same time there's a grey area where the owner of the house can impose the rules on outside behavior by making it clear that they don't want tenants who engage in certain activities outside. This grey area would be especially wide for parents/children given the regular dynamics between these two.

So i really don't see it as extremely strange that Holly's parents would arrange it in a way along the lines of "so long as you're staying for free in my house, i expect you not to act in public in a way that'd shame you, and by extension, us as well."

If Holly has a problem with her parents being this controlling, then she's had years to address that and move out. But as long as she didn't her claims of independent adulthood aren't very convincing and easy for her parents to wave away as evidently lacking.

She had to lie about who was going to the beach and got shit for practicing safe sex outside of their house. I've never heard of that controlling parents in my circles even amongst those that have lived with their parents past adulthood.
But how many parents have you known who were religious fundamentalists that believed sex is only permitted after marriage?

Like if Ian asked Perry to cover his rent, I don't think that'd give Perry the right to forbid him from sex. And as we see from Holly, those kinds of rules aren't enforceable.
Doesn't Perry literally kick Ian out for having sex with the girl Perry wanted to get on? This might've been unspoken rule, but pretty easy to foresee and effectively a limitation on "outside behavior" Ian was allowed to engage in, if he wanted to keep his place at Perry's.

Similarly, Ian is expected not to antagonize Perry, and this expectation isn't limited only to "while we're at the flat". If Ian is repeatedly a dick to Perry in public, this can eventually come back and bite him on the ass.

Like all regulations, those rules are only enforceable in the sense the person subjected to them gets to choose whether they value more breaking the rule or maintaining benefits they get from following them.
 
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If Holly has a problem with her parents being this controlling, then she's had years to address that and move out.
I agree she should have moved out by now. But Holly being dumb doesn't change her parents also being dumb. Two parties can be wrong on different counts.

But how many parents have you known who were religious fundamentalists that believed sex is only permitted after marriage?
I have quite a few friends with devout religious upbringings, both christian and islamic, but none of had as controlling parents as Holly's, grounding a 26yr old for having safe sex with her boyfriend. Either way, I would in general say very religious fundamentalists are unreasonable people, which is the same thing I am saying about Holly's parents.

Doesn't Perry literally kick Ian out for having sex with the girl Perry wanted to get on? This might've been unspoken rule, but pretty easy to foresee and effectively a limitation on "outside behavior" Ian was allowed to engage in, if he wanted to keep his place at Perry's.
Yes there can be edge cases where some rules for the outside must be held. For example no living under my house if you're a serial killer, no living under my house if you're a super racist, no living under my house if you're a terrible friend that betrays me. But those kinds of unspoken rules are for bad behavior that affects others. Ian and Holly having safe sex while being an official couple does not fall into that category.

I harp on the safe sex thing as well because if Holly was having unprotected sex with Ian, the parents somehow found out, and grounded her. It would be much more reasonable. Holly can't afford to live on her own and now wants to risk having a kid and spending her parents money on it? Much more reasonable to set rules for that. You're potentially affecting a child's life and risk spending money that's not yours. But that's not why the parents are upset. Seems like they're only mad because of religious reasons, no sex before marriage.
 
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Yes there can be edge cases where some rules for the outside must be held. For example no living under my house if you're a serial killer, no living under my house if you're a super racist, no living under my house if you're a terrible friend that betrays me. But those kinds of unspoken rules are for bad behavior that affects others. Ian and Holly having safe sex while being an official couple does not fall into that category.
The most common reason I've heard that kids are kicked out by their parents are because they came out or are found out to be LGBTQ+.

40+ years ago it was more common to be kicked out for getting pregnant or sex before marriage. I don't think we're meant to see Holly's family as reasonable or benevolent, but controlling and unreasonable. They hold archaic and reactionary views about sexual morality. But that's all going to be more of an impetus for Holly to move out and move in with Ian and/or Lena (or into the gloryhole for slutty Holly? It's unclear).
 

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Zzz zzz.. Holly's parents are very religious people and have old values. It's not that deep. Sex before marriage is a very big deal to those people. As to why Holly is not leaving the place? Because she was hardwired from childhood by those religious nutjobs. Hence lack of self respect and awkward asf.
 

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Good Jess can also end up with Dave in GGGB. Provided Eva went all-in in degen mode. There are two variants of good Jess dating partners in ORS, too. The non-Seymour path is Ash and Seymour's path is Dave.
Ah, that's a good point I forgot about Dave that was achieved by Ash helping Dave and Jess to reconnect. But that wouldn't make much sense in the event that Ivy has a good path and the partner is Jeremy. I mean so far the only relationship you can encourage is with Jeremy and I do not see that as a win:cautious:Jeremy's only good quality is being a lay (and not a very good lay at that), so he doesn't really qualify as a good romance opinion. He's had no character development and i think that's how he's meant to be. Despite Jack being an arrogant ass in GGGB, he had character beyond being a fuck boy, the more you got him to open up, the more he showed in both personality and intimacy( he was setting up the ground work for his business). On a more deprived path Jeremy makes more sense to me in the form of simple entertainment for Ivy and he's not the only one who fills that narrative. Now that I think about it:unsure: what good male love interest exist in the ORS that has development so far that isn't Ian?. In GGGB you had Dave, Jack, Eric and Ashley's boss. So far in ORS mostly the females love interests are winning not that I'm complaining :love:.But the game is also not finished so alot can be added or changed. I'm a vanilla player with a bit of spice added to my play throughs (i am enjoying a chad Ian with high wit). As you can see, I'm mostly interested in the romance and character development aspects of the game and when it comes to the game's depravity aspects.... well I have this forum for that and you guys don't hold back:LOL:
 
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It's no joke. Emma almost flushed herself down a toilet, Boogerman style, after being dicked down by Ian at the beach. A true testament to the power of his penis.
:oops::ROFLMAO:.....I'm dying laughing why did you have to phrase it in such a way;)
Your not wrong tho and I have no rebuttal :LOL:
 
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It's no joke. Emma almost flushed herself down a toilet, Boogerman style, after being dicked down by Ian at the beach. A true testament to the power of his penis.



Cindy's reasoning during the "serious talk" on the relationship path with Ian really made her lose points with me. It really is hardwired into her character to treat every relationship as a stepping stone. It would've been an interesting examination to watch her navigate through life as a single individual.
No matter what path is taken within the game, Cindy will always be a cheater
 
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Cindy's storyline, in my opinion, is going in a weird direction. We've been trying to build a relationship with her for a long time, confessing our feelings twice, yet now she's saying:
I want to figure myself out.
I just broke up with Wade.
We’re not officially dating.
You said you’d be patient.
It’s going too fast.

There’s a limit to how much a person can tolerate before feeling like they’re just being strung along. Cindy has been my favorite from the start, but her behavior feels inconsistent to the point where you just want to give up on her (which, to be fair, you can). It almost feels like the developer is intentionally making you question or even dislike her with how outright disrespectful she’s acting. What do you guys think?
 
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It almost feels like the developer is intentionally making you question or even dislike her with how outright disrespectful she’s acting.
That applies to many characters. Most of them are surprisingly unlikeable.

Cindy is self-centered from the get go, interacting with her is always one drama and another. Also, the entire relationship is an affair. Even now when she is available, dating her still is a hazzle, since Wade and Co. will 100% lash out to her and Ian.

There is no "peaceful" route for her. Granted, a relationship without a drama would be poorly for story, some sort of conflict needs to happen.
 

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That applies to many characters. Most of them are surprisingly unlikeable.

Cindy is self-centered from the get go, interacting with her is always one drama and another. Also, the entire relationship is an affair. Even now when she is available, dating her still is a hazzle, since Wade and Co. will 100% lash out to her and Ian.
Right?

If we just look at Cindy’s situation, we took the direct approach and confessed to her twice. But based on what happened in those situations, it feels like she accepted it—even if she didn’t say it verbally. Her actions, whether through physical intimacy or simply going along with us, seemed to confirm it.

I don't know anymore.
 

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Finished mostly vanilla Ian x Lena route. Yeah, it was pretty good, decently written romance, for a weg. Makes you wonder if there are actually any "Lenas" among real models. Or do they lean more into being "Ivys"...

I am intrigued what will happen to some characters - Cindy among them, since everyone is posting about her. I wonder if she will get burned by Axel, and potentially saved by the Gang if you tried to fix her relationship with Wade. Or if by some miracle she even fixes Axel and makes no longer go after Lena.
Also, I wonder what are the end goals of Cherry and Ian's ex.
 
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Cindy's storyline, in my opinion, is going in a weird direction. We've been trying to build a relationship with her for a long time, confessing our feelings twice, yet now she's saying:


There’s a limit to how much a person can tolerate before feeling like they’re just being strung along. Cindy has been my favorite from the start, but her behavior feels inconsistent to the point where you just want to give up on her (which, to be fair, you can). It almost feels like the developer is intentionally making you question or even dislike her with how outright disrespectful she’s acting. What do you guys think?
Try the good approach on her love path, IMO it's top writing in this game (and by extension the entire VN scene). And I would say yes, dev is intentionally making the character dislikable (specially during "bad" love path). At least if your expectations are that Cindy is devoted to Ian, maybe it works if you are a simp and that's your thing (being devotedly in love with someone who doesn't respect you).

That applies to many characters. Most of them are surprisingly unlikeable.

Cindy is self-centered from the get go, interacting with her is always one drama and another. Also, the entire relationship is an affair. Even now when she is available, dating her still is a hazzle, since Wade and Co. will 100% lash out to her and Ian.

There is no "peaceful" route for her. Granted, a relationship without a drama would be poorly for story, some sort of conflict needs to happen.
Surprising but in a good way for me. I really dislike when in some games (almost) all of the LI are lovingly perfect in their own way and they make you choose one (and I generally don't like harem games). Not mentioning a (very) famous game in this site to not derail the discussion too much, Persona 5 is such a game for me.
 
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Cindy's storyline, in my opinion, is going in a weird direction. We've been trying to build a relationship with her for a long time, confessing our feelings twice, yet now she's saying:


There’s a limit to how much a person can tolerate before feeling like they’re just being strung along. Cindy has been my favorite from the start, but her behavior feels inconsistent to the point where you just want to give up on her (which, to be fair, you can). It almost feels like the developer is intentionally making you question or even dislike her with how outright disrespectful she’s acting. What do you guys think?
Personaly I feel like this update was a step in the right direction but the next couple CAN NOT be more of the same "I don't know what I want" from Cindy. Cause it's been this way for fucking time already... just show she's committed to the relationship or not so we can move our playthrough along already...
 
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