VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[SerHawkes]

My issue with EK's games is that we don't get (nor get to play) a caring male dom to pair with the female LIs

That likely because EK listens more to the vocal elements of the kinkdom and panders to the degeneracy. The woman's "ideal" of being used, railed, and then left to clean up the mess. Most of her fans want that, specially since most came from GGGB which had that notion.

The main problem is though is that EK listens more to these people rather than actual do things on her own. Before the first rework ever happened, the story itself could very well have had some measure of uniqueness to it. Maybe we could have had Ian being a dom (after being built up a bit of course) that is caring with the female interests. However, while there is some hinting that it's a maybe overall, I don't put much faith in it actually happening, as we will very likely see more and more of the opposite.

 

[Saerwen]

That likely because EK listens more to the vocal elements of the kinkdom and panders to the degeneracy. The woman's "ideal" of being used, railed, and then left to clean up the mess. Most of her fans want that, specially since most came from GGGB which had that notion.

The main problem is though is that EK listens more to these people rather than actual do things on her own. Before the first rework ever happened, the story itself could very well have had some measure of uniqueness to it. Maybe we could have had Ian being a dom (after being built up a bit of course) that is caring with the female interests. However, while there is some hinting that it's a maybe overall, I don't put much faith in it actually happening, as we will very likely see more and more of the opposite.

The problem with what I see in porn games is BDSM. There's maybe 5 games that it does right, meaning that most male characters doesn't even domming female characters per their agreement, they are just straight up using them without any consent about kinks. Sure, no one can accurately write BDSM unless if you aren in that community, but this game is supposed to be realistic so at least does have some semblance I think. The worst example I saw is a male character choking female character with all his force and she was fine ofc, porn logic/it's not real and it just broke the immersion. I was cringing hard.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Well, no. The point is that with your choices and prioritizing different attributes you literally define Lena's past. Lena has not slept around together with Ivy if she's Wits based. Heck, she didn't even really sleep around when she's Charisma based, as she doesn't do one-night stands in this scenario, either. Similarly, iirc there's no indication that Lena who refuses to take drugs from Ivy has done it before; much like the choice whether Lena smokes this seems to be applied to Lena's background retro-actively.

Also, Lena had sex with Ivy exactly once, when Ivy was upset/heartbroken over some guy. I think your idea of Ivy corrupting Lena into a huge slut is way off base in most cases (short of player choosing to play very promiscuous Lena themselves) and frankly, i have no clue why you'd cling so much to this idea, seemingly discarding any possibility this is not universal scenario.

What sense does that actually make though? Why should choices you make half way through a game, to make Ian or Lena smarter or more charismatic, determine something that happened years ago? There's no logic to that whatsoever. It might very well be the case, but that doesn't make it right. Why didn't the Dev give us these choices at the start of the game, so we could set the parameters then, of what kind of background we wanted Ian and Lena to be coming from? Then logically, players would be building on that, instead of the situation we've got, where it's determined arbitrarily by how many Wits or Charisma points you amass. Those points should be all about changes the player wants to make in the game, and the past should be determined at the start, and not after the event.

So you have the unfathomable situation where a certain number of attribute points, ushers in a certain set of past circumstances, but one point less and it's all different, even though you were always going to make the same decision to get that additional point.

It would have been so much easier, if both the MCs started from a common position, in all instances (somewhere in the middle range of possibilities). I would have been perfectly happy with that set-up. But instead the Dev is trying to please everybody, and it just doesn't work very well, because we get all these different pasts, determined by an entirely arbitrary set of circumstances, all happening in the present.

 

[wivers]

Sure, no one can accurately write BDSM unless if you are in that community

Well I disagree with that sentiment. It really isn't that hard to look up the basic tenant of consensual BDSM nowadays, and that's really all it would take to start writing character in -- or interested in -- such a relationship.

In ORS in particular, given Lena's past relationship with Axel (Where she obviously loved the dom-sub / power exchange dynamic), it would have been easy to write her exploring such a relationship with "Nice" Ian, simply by opening up about her interests and then the couple trying things out. (Even Alison and Holly's characters seem like they would have been good fit, if EK had wanted to explore "kinkier" yet consensual routes through them.)

I get that fiction is useful to explore non-consent fantasies safely; but all the countless readers of slop like 50 shades of Grey -- or the whole romantasy genre I keep hearing about lately -- aren't really fantasizing about abusers, but rather consensual kinky sex with their honorable, trustworthy dream guy. Seemsto me like there is money in some consensual BDSM smut.

 

[Saerwen]

Well I disagree with that sentiment. It really isn't that hard to look up the basic tenant of consensual BDSM nowadays, and that's really all it would take to start writing character in -- or interested in -- such a relationship.

In ORS in particular, given Lena's past relationship with Axel (Where she obviously loved the dom-sub / power exchange dynamic), it would have been easy to write her exploring such a relationship with "Nice" Ian, simply by opening up about her interests and then the couple trying things out. (Even Alison and Holly's characters seem like they would have been good fit, if EK had wanted to explore "kinkier" yet consensual routes through them.)

I get that fiction is useful to explore non-consent fantasies safely; but all the countless readers of slop like 50 shades of Grey -- or the whole romantasy genre I keep hearing about lately -- aren't really fantasizing about abusers, but rather consensual kinky sex with their honorable, trustworthy dream guy. Seemsto me like there is money in some consensual BDSM smut.

OK, fair enough, a little research is always recommended. Yes, there's a whole catalogue of kinky but consensual BDSM books for women but this isn't what the majority of straight male players who are Eva's main patrons want to see. If Patreon didn't had it's rules on taboo and hardcore content, games would be have such content which borderline on what there's on Dark Web, like snuff.

 

[prpa]

OK, fair enough, a little research is always recommended. Yes, there's a whole catalogue of kinky but consensual BDSM books for women but this isn't what the majority of straight male players who are Eva's main patrons want to see. If Patreon didn't had it's rules on taboo and hardcore content, games would be have such content which borderline on what there's on Dark Web, like snuff.

I agree with you to some extent, but a few years ago, for a short time, I fell deep into the world of fanfiction (until I realized how badly written the vast majority of it is). And let me tell you, about 99% of fanfiction writers and probably the big majority of readers are women, and I’ve seen some truly disturbing content there. Honestly, some of it was far more intense and messed up than anything I ever came across on F95Zone. So please don’t assume that only men are capable of writing and reading that kind of material. Women can be just as extreme.

 

[Saerwen]

I agree with you to some extent, but a few years ago, I fell deep into the world of fanfiction. And let me tell you, about 99% of fanfiction writers and probably the big majority of readers are women, and I’ve seen some truly disturbing content there. Honestly, some of it was far more intense and messed up than anything I ever came across on F95Zone. So please don’t assume that only men are capable of writing that kind of material. Women can be just as extreme, if not more so.

They write underaged ero guro?

 

[prpa]

They write underaged ero guro?

Go on AO3, and see for yourself.

 

[Saerwen]

I personally wouldn't mind muscle mommy Lena. Maybe she could be a wrestler or a gym instructor.

Gym sex, gym sex!

There're some options for Ian which move him towards dominant attitude with his partners, as opposed to the cuck route. I think this will be developed further and you can pair them with Ian's default caring attitude, so it should provide what you're after..?

Ohhh, I would like to see more various versions of Dom Ian. Teasing and playful dominant, gentle and caring dominant, strict and punishing dominant you know or some roleplay to make it more interesting.

 

[ffive]

What sense does that actually make though? Why should choices you make half way through a game, to make Ian or Lena smarter or more charismatic, determine something that happened years ago? There's no logic to that whatsoever.

The choices you make shape character's personality, and the game uses it to build the character's past which matches it, to ensure coherent experience. It's very simple.

In fact, you are perfectly able to understand this concept, when it's executed in a slightly different manner:

It might very well be the case, but that doesn't make it right. Why didn't the Dev give us these choices at the start of the game, so we could set the parameters then, of what kind of background we wanted Ian and Lena to be coming from?

Having these choices at the start of the game wouldn't do anything to alleviate your complaint -- as you would be defining something "that already happened in the past", years after it already "happened". Doing it on the day the game starts or having the game determine this a bit later as a result of decisions made over a few in-game weeks, there's zero difference here in terms of functionality and/or logic. The only difference is you are willing to suspend your disbelief for one approach, but balk at the other.

It would have been so much easier, if both the MCs started from a common position, in all instances (somewhere in the middle range of possibilities). I would have been perfectly happy with that set-up.

It's unfortunate the game does something you aren't perfectly happy with, but i don't think it makes the game's approach illogical or any worse than your suggestion. I quite enjoy being able to have three different versions of the character instead of all of them starting the same, utter average. The way it's implemented is uncommon, but it's also interesting how the game uses player's actual decisions and character they've built organically, instead of the usual "pick your background when you have zero idea about characters, settings, plot or how you're going to play the game".

 

[ffive]

Gym sex, gym sex!

"Jasmine has entered the chat."

 

[ffive]

In ORS in particular, given Lena's past relationship with Axel (Where she obviously loved the dom-sub / power exchange dynamic), it would have been easy to write her exploring such a relationship with "Nice" Ian, simply by opening up about her interests and then the couple trying things out.

This already happens in game to some extent -- Lena can e.g. ask Ian to choke her during sex, and if Ian complies this gives him a dom point and enables him to perform these actions "automatically" in subsequent scenes. Having dom point(s) also enables further actions and allows Ian to move further down this path.

I imagine that Lena and Ian can have some discussion regarding that, at some later point.

 

[yuvce]

"Jasmine has entered the chat."

Jeremy had better sew his ass cheeks shut. But thankfully, he won't cause he's an idiot.

 

[varpep]

They write underaged ero guro?

A few years ago when an anime called Re-do of Healer came out, Journalists were all over it about how crude and a quintessential male fantasy it was and how the writer had never touched a woman in their life. Turns out the creator was a woman lol.

 

[Tarandil]

That's not true lol. The writer of Redo of Healer is definitely a man.

 

[JoeSte91]

ORS is better written than Re-do of Healer.

 

[StrawberryCheese83]

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Chapter 14.1 Status Report (1)

Hi everyone! Sorry for the reduced frequency of status updates, but as I mentioned before, this week and next I’m in the middle of moving to another country. The relocation, paperwork, and getting settled are taking up quite a bit of my mental (and physical) energy.
That said, and now that Chapter 13 is wrapped up, I’m continuing work on the next chapter.

Aside from the challenges of moving, this part of the story has proven to be a bit tricky for several reasons, the main one being the need to carefully determine and structure the key events, scenes, and narrative developments that will take place.
As you already know, this chapter will focus on Lena and the Billy event.

The tricky part, beyond the complexity of all the possible narrative states (player choices, character relationships, etc.), is deciding which scenes to include, how to present them, and in what order.

There’s a lot of potential here and many ideas floating around, but I have to be very selective about what makes it in and what doesn’t, or the development could drag on forever.

Condensing has never been my strongest skill, and I know there are high expectations for this chapter, so I really want to make it count.
My goal is to include the most meaningful and satisfying scenes I can, while using them to push forward the core narrative threads we’ve been building throughout the story.

While I keep wrestling with the script and story structure, I’ve been making progress on the visual side of things, selecting and commissioning several illustrations that I’m pretty confident will make it into this chapter.

Settling on which pictures to use and what new ones to create is also taking up quite a bit of mental space, since each illustration requires a significant investment of time and resources.

Aside from my colorist, I now have an artist helping out with simpler drawings. She handles the body sketches, while I, as always, take care of the character faces.

Get ready for some seriously spicy photo shoots!

Nice and good to know. So i can easily skip the next 2-3 Updates and can come back to Christmas this year....because "my" Lena doesn t want to be near Billy...not even in the slightest....! I guess i have to be patience for a while and watch when and how the Path between "Lena x Ian" will be go on.... Bombshell Lena and Crackhead-Billy...yeah....not gonna happen...not now...not ever..! *shudders*...

 

[JM24]

I think what you see in a playthrough is canon for that particular playthrough. The background of the characters ultimately adapt to the choices of the player. The best example of this is the drinking game at the beach. In the drinking game for Ian you can choose yes or no and it seems that whatever you choose is the truth.

So you're saying that if we choose Ian to say he's stuck a finger in his ass before there may be a chance that he gets pegged later? Damn I'm going back and changing my answer.

 

[JM24]

Well, no. The point is that with your choices and prioritizing different attributes you literally define Lena's past. Lena has not slept around together with Ivy if she's Wits based. Heck, she didn't even really sleep around when she's Charisma based, as she doesn't do one-night stands in this scenario, either. Similarly, iirc there's no indication that Lena who refuses to take drugs from Ivy has done it before; much like the choice whether Lena smokes this seems to be applied to Lena's background retro-actively.

Also, Lena had sex with Ivy exactly once, when Ivy was upset/heartbroken over some guy. I think your idea of Ivy corrupting Lena into a huge slut is way off base in most cases (short of player choosing to play very promiscuous Lena themselves) and frankly, i have no clue why you'd cling so much to this idea, seemingly discarding any possibility this is not universal scenario.

I get what you're saying, but I wanna ask did wit-based Lena have a threesome with Axel and the ebony girl (forgot her name)? That's an undeniable truth right? Also her photos taken with Axel, are those things you can't change no matter which path you're on?

 

[soprano31]

So you're saying that if we choose Ian to say he's stuck a finger in his ass before there may be a chance that he gets pegged later? Damn I'm going back and changing my answer.

Bazsa4 stop using alt accounts