VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Nifferman]

Frankly Jeremy is a pretty shitty human being, as far as I'm concerned. He's a pathetic liar, treats women like garbage, has no problem cucking Ian and you need to be his best pal to have a chance of him even trying to stop himself (anybody knowingly doing something like that to somebody in their friend circle or even in general is scum), stupidly hides news about Gillian from Ian telling Allison at the same time when A- it's not his place to make the call; B- if he had any balls he would take it on himself to tell his friend in the most tactful way possible; C- the chance of Ian discovering it is extremely high.
Nah, sorry but I wouldn't want a "buddy" like that, liars never make good friends, I'll take Wade with all his flaws any day

Actually, Jeremy is a decent friend to Ian. And he never treated anyone like garbage.....maybe he is bit too horny, but I don't think he is a "shitty human"

 

[sztrb]

Actually, Jeremy is a decent friend to Ian. And he never treated anyone like garbage.....maybe he is bit too horny, but I don't think he is a "shitty human"

Also, the irony of someone being too horny, given that we're all playing an eroge.

 

[ffive]

Not in Ivy’s case he doesn’t. Dude spends the entire game simping for Ivy even when she’s no longer interested in him and needs Lena to talk her into giving him another shot.

It’s a pretty pathetic display for a self proclaimed “player” and leaves me wondering why EK bothered to set him up as that character archetype in the first place.

I mean, we have plenty people in this very thread who keep simping for Ivy and hoping she'll throw them a bone, too.

Je suis Jeremy.

 

[Gicoo]

Not in Ivy’s case he doesn’t. Dude spends the entire game simping for Ivy even when she’s no longer interested in him and needs Lena to talk her into giving him another shot.

I concede that Ivy's disinterest of Jeremy wasn't communicated by her entirely understandable, considering her mouth was wrapped around his dick.

Ivy is interested and doesn't mind stringing a men along. Whether she ultimately goes full in depends on Lena's and Ian's advice, since they know Jeremy better.

You are suggesting she outright rejected him and he ignored that, but that didn't happen. Ivy likes to toy with men.

It’s a pretty pathetic display for a self proclaimed “player” and leaves me wondering why EK bothered to set him up as that character archetype in the first place.

My take is that Jeremy is meant to be the best friend and kind of mentor for Ian when he decides to go the player route, similar to Ivy for Lena. The problem that arose with that is that it would disappoint the audience if Jeremy was too successful and would've claimed all of Ian's conquests before him. The solution was that Jeremy usually makes the first move, but Ian can respond and succeed, to reward the audience. Hence, Jeremy became redundant if not contradictory.

 

[Blurpee69]

I concede that Ivy's disinterest of Jeremy wasn't communicated by her entirely understandable, considering her mouth was wrapped around his dick.

Nothing says "I'm not into you" like wrapping your mouth around that person's dick. Just don't tickle the balls and the message is clear as day.

 

[Socrambus]

Considering Cindy gets frustrated with how Wade treats her to the point she'll cheat on him and ultimately break up, and that Wade is pretty responsive to Ian's girlfriend hitting on him even when Ian is right there, it's quite funny you'd present him here as some sort of a better human being, one that doesn't treat women like garbage and is above cucking.

The "treats her to the point she'll cheat on him" is victim blaming. It also could be said that Cindy is such a bitch that cause Wade depression and to become the pathetic loser she later cheats on. I don't think we got an explicit reason for Wade changing from his younger persona.

He is a dumb kid but at least he is a bro, if Ian said he's into Lena he offers as much resistance we could ask from him as an average male in his 20s, it is not his fault if Lena is too horny due drugs or bc has that cock locked-in since the last chapter and won't listen to reasons

EDIT:

That is the thing, he is not really a player he is only a horny young man with a huge dick but kid has no game. Which is why he may score as much, he is always willing and there is really little risk of getting attached to him for the LIs, so he is a good source of entertainment

It is his fault, if you really think it isn't you have really low standards for your male friends and yourself as a man. And even if we give him a pass on getting a blowjob from the girl his best friend is in love with, he should have inmediately told Ian about it. Not saying anything and letting your best friend continue to be naively in love with a girl that goes around sucking his friends' dicks is not good friend behaviour.

 

[Nifferman]

Also, the irony of someone being too horny, given that we're all playing an eroge.

Talk about yourself, buddy. I'm here to spread the word of god.

 

[ffive]

The "treats her to the point she'll cheat on him" is victim blaming.

That implies Wade is a victim here and honestly i don't view it like that. Wade himself recognizes during his self-reflection at the beach house that he's had treated Cindy poorly. As long as he's got his wits around him to do any self-reflection, anyway.

 

[Canto Forte]

Jeremy is a SA agressor who never gets caught and is always date raping his women: he is the bartender getting them drugs and drunk and then proffiteering all the way. Drug rapists are plot armored ”players” in all games on this site and bulls rarely have any brains apart from the body proportions that somehow trump everything in the game to plot armor the idiots.
Jeremy is trash because he is the one pushing Ian into the girl who was otherwise sending him pictures. So Jeremy sets Ian up, plays possum that he is training Ian, but on the night, Jeremy says he will also play for the girl who was already in his DMs for months before Ian ever knew of her: Allison.
So, a shit for brains, drug rapist, plays Ian for a dumb idiot and then says it is fair game he would also use his plot armored months in advance game with the same girl against Ian.
That is ground to fkk Jeremy up and never look back. No human being should stand for such blatant humiliation and mockery as being set up with a girl Jeremy has in the bag by plot armor, his DMs with her months in advance, and his setting Ian up on his first try as being opposite him in the same rigged game.

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As the bartender who knows a girl IS DRUGGED AND OUT OF HER MIND in his place of work- he is DATE RAPING HER.

 

[Da¥e]

How should Jeremy know, if Ivy shares drugs with Lena? He did not follow them to the female bathroom. Besides, Lena can lust after his dick without any drugs.

Also he told Ian to take a shot with Alison, because he obviously senses, that she is into Ian.

 

[Erectosaurus]

I don’t think Jeremy is a bad guy, he just has zero mental defense against hot women. We’ll probably see it this upcoming update as well especially with Ivy involved.

 

[dolfe67]

Jeremy is best bro.

"Bu-but he can fuck the girl Im not really interested in! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

He's such a bro that he even sends you fap material

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

Jeremy is a SA agressor who never gets caught and is always date raping his women: he is the bartender getting them drugs and drunk and then proffiteering all the way. Drug rapists are plot armored ”players” in all games on this site and bulls rarely have any brains apart from the body proportions that somehow trump everything in the game to plot armor the idiots.
Jeremy is trash because he is the one pushing Ian into the girl who was otherwise sending him pictures. So Jeremy sets Ian up, plays possum that he is training Ian, but on the night, Jeremy says he will also play for the girl who was already in his DMs for months before Ian ever knew of her: Allison.
So, a shit for brains, drug rapist, plays Ian for a dumb idiot and then says it is fair game he would also use his plot armored months in advance game with the same girl against Ian.
That is ground to fkk Jeremy up and never look back. No human being should stand for such blatant humiliation and mockery as being set up with a girl Jeremy has in the bag by plot armor, his DMs with her months in advance, and his setting Ian up on his first try as being opposite him in the same rigged game.
As the bartender who knows a girl IS DRUGGED AND OUT OF HER MIND in his place of work- he is DATE RAPING HER.

Um...What the fuck did I just read?

 

[falsapersona]

The "treats her to the point she'll cheat on him" is victim blaming. It also could be said that Cindy is such a bitch that cause Wade depression and to become the pathetic loser she later cheats on. I don't think we got an explicit reason for Wade changing from his younger persona.

She's entitled, and in many ways Wade was too because he has been taking* her for granted and for a while has not made an active effort to kept the relationship moving forward. Cheating aside, at the start of the game, their relationship is in a bad place and likely would have ended even without Ian's or Axel's presence, and that's not bad at all. Not every relationship is made to last forever, and particularly in the case of Wade will be beneficial bc the breakup will serve as a wake up call to start getting some agency in his life moving forward

The "treats her to the point
It is his fault, if you really think it isn't you have really low standards for your male friends and yourself as a man. And even if we give him a pass on getting a blowjob from the girl his best friend is in love with, he should have inmediately told Ian about it. Not saying anything and letting your best friend continue to be naively in love with a girl that goes around sucking his friends' dicks is not good friend behaviour.

What kind of weak-ass mentality is that? The whole event started as a game between consenting adults, if a hot girl that your friend dated twice jumps on you wanting to suck your dick while on it, it gets a pass, specially if you call for a moment to think things through before she gets down to business. And immediately going and spill the beans to your friend would be the bitch ass move, because if they had a chance with each other that may create friction and fuck things over before they get a chance to build something. A friend, a real one, will talk about that happening in the future when the whole event is a thing of the past and not an issue, or will use it to talk the friend out of the relationship before he gets too deep

And extra important, Jeremy doesn't purse Lena after it happens, so it could be left as harmless fun if Lena doesn't make any other move on Jeremy

 

[Ebet Ebety]

Oh, is it time for Jeremy bashing again?

Who and what. Lena, Ivy, Alison and Emma knows he just want to fuck, none of them expect to be in a relationship with him. They either agree with him or refuse him (and he backs down in the latter case). Louise remains, and while there is some blame on Jeremy's side, its also clear she is too immature to be in a relationship and has wrong expectations with all of her partners (Lena and Ian just as much).


If Alison isn't taken, Jeremy is as free to make a move on her as every other person. And if Ian invites him to a threesome and spurns him on, that's on him.


Stopping from what? Hooking up with available girls? The audacity of this guy!!!
Jeremy doesn't hook up with any girl unless they agree on it (like any person with basic sensibility).


Considering how traumatic Ian is about her, that's a fairly reasonable call.


As usual, Jeremy's biggest screw-up, that he hides Ian and Cindy fucking from Wade, wasn't even mentioned. Because that is convenient for Ian/the player, so its not bad behaviour, right? Jeremy sucks because he can hook up with girls that Ian/the player may have in sight, the audacity.

Yeah imagine having the audacity to disagree with you... please.
Jeremy hooks up with Lena without any problem if relationship with Ian is not above a certain threshold and even if it is he can still be convinced, which is extremely shitty. He treats Louise like garbage and cheats on her shamelessly. If you think a partner is not right for you for whatever reason and you are a decent person you dump them, you don't keep them around just because you enjoy fucking them while you go after half of town, again very shitty. He shares intimate pictures of the women he hooks up with without their consent which is illegal on top of being unfathomably shitty.
Won't comment on the part on the part about Jeremy not hooking up with girls unless they agree to it because I'm not really sure why somebody would feel the need to underline something like that, like somehow not engaging in criminal behavior is to be considered a merit.
And for the record I'm not complaining about any of it being part of the story, I'm only assessing Jeremy's general character, which IMO is pretty damn terrible.

 

[Blurpee69]

That implies Wade is a victim here and honestly i don't view it like that. Wade himself recognizes during his self-reflection at the beach house that he's had treated Cindy poorly. As long as he's got his wits around him to do any self-reflection, anyway.

Right? Both Wade and Cindy have issues that resulted in the relationship devolving into what it is by the time of the beach house. Ian and, to a much less extent, Lena can help them realize that both have faults that led to their breakup.

As you mentioned, Wade can recognize that he hasn't supported Cindy as much as he should and has taken her for granted while he's struggled to find himself and the motivation he used to have. Cindy is incredibly pushy and fails to recognize Wade's depression for what it is. Ian can very blatantly point it out when the two of them leave the Fortress for Shine, but that doesn't mean Cindy is equipped to handle that kind of knowledge appropriately. It's also not a stretch to assume that Cindy can reach a similar conclusion with Wade that she does on a loving Ian path with similar boundaries to Wade. (i.e. modeling is very ephemeral without the creative depth she seeks). That realization can lead her back to Wade. It seems in all paths Cindy recognizes, to some extent, that Axel is manipulating her. But if Ian and Wade don't have a good relationship with her, who else is she going to turn to, other than Axel?

The difference between Ian and Perry; is that Ian can see Cindy's pushiness for what it is, trying to make Wade better, even if it isn't what Wade needs right now. Ian also pushes Wade to be better, he just happens to be more subtle about it than Cindy, thus letting Wade come to his own realization, but doesn't encourage the slacker mentality like Perry does. Ian, also unlike Perry, can see how Wade's depression affects those around him, namely Cindy. You can only try and help someone so much before recognizing that they're not bothering to help themselves so your efforts are wasted. Cindy is just the first domino to fall if Wade were to continue like this.

That's not me trying to knock Perry either. He just lacks the maturity, though specifically emotional maturity, of Ian at the beginning of the story. Coincidentally Ian, and again a lesser extent Lena, can help Perry find that maturity within himself by pushing him into working at the cafe and seizing the moment with Emma or Cherry or both.

I have my doubts that EK will do this, because it could be a massive programming and script writing sink, but I'd love to see variables for Perry and Wade's relationship based on which of them have matured thanks to Ian. Just an example: Ian has helped Perry with Emma and working at the cafe, but has done nothing to support Wade. Does Perry become the last domino to fall in Wade's support structure? Does he take charge in trying to help Wade?

 

[ExtremeLips]

I mean, we have plenty people in this very thread who keep simping for Ivy and hoping she'll throw them a bone, too.

Je suis Jeremy.

Ivy is overrated

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

Right? Both Wade and Cindy have issues that resulted in the relationship devolving into what it is by the time of the beach house. Ian and, to a much less extent, Lena can help them realize that both have faults that led to their breakup.

As you mentioned, Wade can recognize that he hasn't supported Cindy as much as he should and has taken her for granted while he's struggled to find himself and the motivation he used to have. Cindy is incredibly pushy and fails to recognize Wade's depression for what it is. Ian can very blatantly point it out when the two of them leave the Fortress for Shine, but that doesn't mean Cindy is equipped to handle that kind of knowledge appropriately. It's also not a stretch to assume that Cindy can reach a similar conclusion with Wade that she does on a loving Ian path with similar boundaries to Wade. (i.e. modeling is very ephemeral without the creative depth she seeks). That realization can lead her back to Wade. It seems in all paths Cindy recognizes, to some extent, that Axel is manipulating her. But if Ian and Wade don't have a good relationship with her, who else is she going to turn to, other than Axel?

The difference between Ian and Perry; is that Ian can see Cindy's pushiness for what it is, trying to make Wade better, even if it isn't what Wade needs right now. Ian also pushes Wade to be better, he just happens to be more subtle about it than Cindy, thus letting Wade come to his own realization, but doesn't encourage the slacker mentality like Perry does. Ian, also unlike Perry, can see how Wade's depression affects those around him, namely Cindy. You can only try and help someone so much before recognizing that they're not bothering to help themselves so your efforts are wasted. Cindy is just the first domino to fall if Wade were to continue like this.

That's not me trying to knock Perry either. He just lacks the maturity, though specifically emotional maturity, of Ian at the beginning of the story. Coincidentally Ian, and again a lesser extent Lena, can help Perry find that maturity within himself by pushing him into working at the cafe and seizing the moment with Emma or Cherry or both.

I have my doubts that EK will do this, because it could be a massive programming and script writing sink, but I'd love to see variables for Perry and Wade's relationship based on which of them have matured thanks to Ian. Just an example: Ian has helped Perry with Emma and working at the cafe, but has done nothing to support Wade. Does Perry become the last domino to fall in Wade's support structure? Does he take charge in trying to help Wade?

I think their relationship is destined to fall no matter what. The Wade that Cindy fell in love with is sadly gone. He's not the 'take no shit and don't care about shit', womaniser, effortlessly charming and good looking kind of guy anymore. He's become a shut in. Isolated, addicted to playing video games, declining in every other aspect of his life including his relationships with Cindy and friends (as constantly mentioned even in the first episode).

Cindy is a woman that is ambitious, giddy and joyful, desiring attention and constantly takes initiative. She wants someone to match her energy (or offer a balance to it like Ian does), like Wade used to do. Unfortunately as we know it, he no longer does: he has low/negative energy versus high energy. Barely hanging out with his friends unless it's to play games with Perry. A social outcast.

It hurts to say this since I do like Wade, but in order for him to get better as a person: he needs to face reality and have Cindy break up with him. Not only for her to detach and make him see what he has lost, but also for him to realise just how much he's been living in his own world while not paying attention to the world outside of his room.

 

[Gicoo]

Jeremy hooks up with Lena without any problem if relationship with Ian is not above a certain threshold and even if it is he can still be convinced, which is extremely shitty.

He adresses this issue to Lena, she tells him to not worry, indicating him that she doesn't intend to be serious with Ian (and isn't, because the Jeremy flag stops her to get into a relationship afterwards), so Jeremy understands that she is a loose girl and fair game. Ian may want her to be his girlfriend, but Lena shows she doesn't intend to and the world doesn't revolve around your bro. It has some similarities with Ian entirely being allowed to make a move on Emma, regardless if Perry is interested in her, because what matters is Emma's interest and not her being reserved for Perry only, just how Lena isn't reserved to Ian. If Ian complains later, he has to face reality that Lena isn't a faithful girlfriend material.

Louise stuff I already mentioned, you once again ignored Louise's behavior, how she is very pushy and demanding, while Lena, Ian and Jeremy told her they aren't committing yet and just hooking up.

He shares intimate pictures of the women he hooks up with without their consent which is illegal on top of being unfathomably shitty.

All the girls were aware the pictures are taking (consent), none complained. If you take that risk (I wouldn't), you can't be surprised if its spread. Emma is debauched, Alison wants it so be spread to make Ian jealous. None of them told him to not spread it around and keep it a secret. I don't get picture taking in general, I assume it was done so that Eva could deliver content not involving Ian and Lena and still having them the PoV.

Won't comment on the part on the part about Jeremy not hooking up with girls unless they agree to it because I'm not really sure why somebody would feel the need to underline something like that, like somehow not engaging in criminal behavior is to be considered a merit.

I only highlighted that because you referred to Jeremy as a shitty person who treats woman like garbage, when he is reasonable to them. Hence I point out that Jeremy does refuse Lena first, he stops making moves on women if they tell him off, he does tell Ian if he saw Lena cheating on him. You may say that is normal and to be expected, but then it proves he isn't as awful and two-faced as you make him out to be.

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

Hence I point out that Jeremy does refuse Lena first, he stops making moves on women if they tell him off, he does tell Ian if he saw Lena cheating on him.

Wait, he does? When? What are the triggers

Ivy is overrated

I mean, not to insult her or women like her or anything but like, she's an ordinary OnlyFans "fuck around and try to not find out" kind of woman. She's shameless, promiscuous, slutty and enjoys it when attention is on her. Especially if she's doing lewd things, like dancing on the pole at the club. Her taking drugs and even sleeping with taken guys like Mike shows that she has no boundaries whatsoever. Just like she sexually objectifies herself, she sexually objectifies men too and sees them as sex toys. And that's not even mentioning her peer pressuring Lena into playing a clearly lewd game with the intention of getting her to do sexual things with Jeremy, even if she's in a (new) committed relationship.

Jeremy is no saint but by comparison, he's a devil's advocate whereas she is the devil herself.