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Man it really bothers ppl that Ian isn't the best looking, tallest, biggest dick having guy in the game :LOL:. Personally I appreciate that he's not the only guy that fucks. Heck even Perry and Stan(Lena and potentially Holly in future) gets some. I'm not gonna mention spaghetti face here. Some how he keeps getting scenes. Filthy lucky beggar :cautious:
 
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we aren't animals anymore
Of course we are still animals, and these strategies are still very prevelant. Men are visual, attracting them to whatever is the popular feminine model of the time :love:, they aren't thinking about spreading their seed, but the motivations are still there. I doubt they were thinking about spreading seed in pre-historic times anyway, just a biological pull. Whatever the most valuable resource of the day is, women take it into consideration for the same reasons they did in pre-historic times, stability/security.

This is not as universal as it once was, genetic diversity isn't hard to come by in todays world, and women don't deal in life or death consequences for making a bad choice in mates, usually :cautious:. The number of possible mates today is a hundred fold what it was in prehistoric times, not including the explosion of possibles if you use dating apps. It might be more difficult to make a solid choice today, divorce lawyers rejoice.
 
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Case in point, why ain't nobody made no game about your school janitor yet?
Stan's time to shine in that one, though with his experience he might be the schools IT tech.

It's been done in real life, school janitor becomes rock star. That storyline is already well above what passes for story in most games.
 
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It's been done in real life, school janitor becomes rock star. That storyline is already well above what passes for story in most games.
Lol I was thinking of James Hetfield while typing that. Strictly as a story, there is material for anything and everything but we are still talking about porn games though. The single main goal isn't to tell a grandiose story of rags to riches but to set the player in a setup that can be consistently expanded and branched on without losing too much footing.
 
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That Ian could be Shaggy's younger brother.

I have an idea for a crossover with Scooby-Doo in next update.

Ian, Emma, Gillian and Jeremy are buying a hippie van and starting up their own gang to resolve a case who is behind a pimping ring in Baluart. (It's Seymour, ofc - And He Would Have Gotten Away With It Too, If It Weren't For Those Meddling Kids.)

ORS has a dog in it, anyway or you can even cast Perry as a Scooby, since he likes to eat and has hairy ass. Instead of Scooby snacks, Ian and Perry could eat creampies after Jeremy fucking all those random met female characters during whole investigation.

It could went all the Hanna-Cuckbera way, since it has all that young adult vibe with criminal undertones.
 
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That Ian could be Shaggy's younger brother.

I have an idea for a crossover with Scooby-Doo in next update.

Ian, Emma, Gillian and Jeremy are buying a hippie van and starting up their own gang to resolve a case who is behind a pimping ring in Baluart. (It's Seymour, ofc - And He Would Have Gotten Away With It Too, If It Weren't For Those Meddling Kids.)

ORS has a dog in it, anyway or you can even cast Perry as a Scooby, since he likes to eat and has hairy ass. Instead of Scooby snacks, Ian and Perry could eat creampies after Jeremy fucking all those random met female characters during whole investigation.

It could went all the Hanna-Cuckbera way, since it has all that young adult vibe with criminal undertones.
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If relating to a blank slate is insulting to you, you ain't got your priorities straight. :BootyTime:

Jokes aside, I do feel yall are missing the point of blank slate characters. Blank slates allow great variability in gameplay since most case scenarios can be reasonably expected without too much mental gymnastics. That's about it.

Blank slates are just prisms, you get to pick the specific color that comes out of it.
funny thing, some people can immerse themselves with relatable characters, others like me can immerse themselves with believable characters.
a blank slate who can be anything isn't believable to me. that's the problem i have.
Why would it matter to you to play a loser or not? After all, you said yourself you don't relate nor self-insert as MCs. A story recounted from the side of the loser can be interesting. Loser != boring, it just means you ain't won.



Again, why would it matter to you if Axel is 'too set in his psycho-boyfriend theme'? The story would be just told from his POV. It certainly wouldn't be boring, would it? If you don't need to relate to a MC to play the game you should, in theory, enjoy playing as Axel in all of his psycho-boyfriend glory.



Again, why would it matter to have Axel as MC? You already get scenes with him as an NPC, if you don't relate nor self-insert then you could just have more scenes in-game with NPC Axel and it'd be just as enjoyable wouldn't it?



You could make an MC out your school janitor if that's the standard you set. :BootyTime: Case in point, why ain't nobody made no game about your school janitor yet?
i already said why. you need to know what kind of story you want to tell. playing as a loser / psycho boyfriend / janitor needs to have some merit of why the story is interesting. we are talking about porn games here. therefore a physical representation of axel would of course work very well as MC, because if you don't like "ugly bastard" as theme, you wouldn't want the character with the most screen time to be a flabby limp dick guy. guess why women and men go for giant dicks in porn.

a story about a loser who remains a loser might be interesting if you have an interesting setup to go with. but in a porn game the only possible scenario i can think of is a cuck game.
just like people like tear jerker stories with sad endings, it doesn't mean it's for everyone. that's why i said i don't want to play a full game loser. it's just not interesting to me. especially in a porn game.
same with the janitor. nobody wants to see a story where a janitor just does their job. if a story is about a job like janitor, something extraordinary happens. it never is about the job itself. the job is at most a point of reference.

the reason why i said axel is not protagonist material is because he is designed as antagonist. we are supposed to be wary of him and see him as problem. to have axel as protagonist you would have to redesign him completely, since you always empathize with protagonists. that's just basic psychology. axel's reason to exist in the story would automatically be redefined. that's not axel then, that's a new character.
 

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ffive , oh almighty ORSologist, not sure if you saw question a bit earlier: besides low friendship points, what are the minimum requirements to get the Jeremy/Lena cheating scene at the end of the update, while Lena and Ian are in a serious relationship ? Please, pretty please ?
Oh, sorry, i didn't see it earlier. I don't have any real experience with Jeremy dating in this update -- my Lena's relationship with him is polite at best and his reporting her tryst with Axel to Ian didn't help, so i've had very limited interactions with him that Lena automatically bails out from at first opportunity.

From what i can see, if you don't go for Mike/Jeremy threesome at the end and instead have a talk with Jeremy alone, the sexy options are gated behind flirt which you initiate when you "help Jeremy" to retrieve his trunks. This requires either relationship with Jeremy at 8+ or Lena to have BBC fantasy, for starters. If you go there with high relationship route but not BBC fantasy, Lena can flirt if she played the game with Jeremy at Ivy's place (iirc) back on Ch.7:
Python:
    if lena_jeremy_dating:
        $ flena = "flirt"
        jump v14helpjeremy
    else:
        menu:
            "{image=icon_friend.webp}Help Jeremy" if lena_jeremy > 7 or lena_fty_bbc:
                label v14helpjeremy:
//...
                menu:
                    "{image=icon_lust.webp}Tease Jeremy" if lena_fty_bbc or v7_bbc == "lena" or v7_game_pants:
                        label v14helpjeremy2:
                            $ v14_jeremy_flirt = True
Then in the evening you can push forward based on these conditions:
Python:
                        if lena_jeremy_dating or (v14_jeremy_flirt and lena_pure == False) or (v14_jeremy_flirt and ian_lena_mmf):
Essentially, for Lena in high relationship with Ian she needs to have the MMF fantasy. Things can escalate if Lena isn't in any relationship with Holly (so no Trinity or Lena/Holly couple) She will do it automatically if she's high, or you get it as option:
Python:
                                if v14_lena_drug == 3 and holly_trinity < 2 and lena_holly_dating == False:
                                    jump v14jeremypoolflirt
                                menu:
                                    "{image=icon_lust.webp}Play with Jeremy" if holly_trinity < 2 and lena_holly_dating == False:
                                        label v14jeremypoolflirt:
                                            $ v14_jeremy_flirt = 2
Then you can potentially "Take Jeremy upstairs" which has multiple paths to get there:
Python:
                                    # lena ian
                                        if ian_lena_couple or ian_lena_dating:
                                        # jeremy enemy
                                            if v12_jeremy_crisis and v12_jeremy_crisis != "solved":
//...
                                                if ian_lena_couple:
                                                    if ian_lena_open:
//...
                                                    elif lena_cheating == 2 or ian_cuck > 1:
If Ian and Jeremy are conflicted and Lena/Ian have open relationship, or Lena has opted to keep cheating on Ian, or he's a cuck....
Python:
                                        # jeremy friend
                                            else:
 //...
                                               if ian_lena_couple:
                                                    if ian_lena_mmf:
//...
                                                        if v14_lena_mmf_tease:
                                                            jump v14jeremyflirtmenu
Or, if Ian and Jeremy are friendly, this is an option if Lena talked with Ian about MMF threesome and teased about this possibility in texting with Ian earlier, which requires some Charisma and Lust:
Python:
                            menu v14mmftease:
                                "{image=icon_charisma.webp}+{image=icon_lust.webp}Would it be so bad?" if lena_charisma > 6 and lena_lust > 6:
                                    $ v14_lena_mmf_tease = True
Once you have Jeremy upstairs, you get options to escalate things:
Python:
            if ian_lena_mmf and ian_lena_couple:
                if v14_lena_mmf_tease:
//...
                    menu:
                        "{image=icon_lust.webp}Touch it" if lena_lust > 7 or v14_lena_drug == 3:
                            $ v14_jeremy_flirt = 4
//...
                            "I stood up, happy with my inspection, and I found myself staring right into Jeremy's eyes."
                            "I could see uneasiness in his eyes, possibly troubled by the same urge I was barely holding at bay."
                            j "Is Ian really alright with this...?"
                            menu:
                                "{image=icon_charisma.webp}+{image=icon_lust.webp}We're not doing anything wrong" if lena_lust > 8 and lena_charisma > 7 or lena_lust > 7 and lena_charisma > 8 or v14_lena_drug == 3:
                                    $ v14_jeremy_flirt = 5
//...
                                    j "Ugh...! Lena...!"
                                    "I began moving my hips, Jeremy's shaft trapped between my soft thighs, while I looked him directly in the eyes."
                                    j "Is this really alright...?"
//...
                                    menu:
                                        "{image=icon_lust.webp}Keep going" if v14_lena_drug == 3:
At the moment you need stoned Lena to take things even further on friendly path, but i think this is an overlook because the code in this branch has variants for non-drugged Lena as well. Will ping PilotLara about it in another post that's less of a wall. /s

If Jeremy and Ian are on war path then things upstairs are much simpler and take off basically on their own.

hth. :whistle::coffee:
 

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PilotLara sorry to bother, but just wondering about this bit here:
Python:
                                    menu:
                                        "{image=icon_lust.webp}Keep going" if v14_lena_drug == 3:
                                            $ renpy.block_rollback()
                                            $ v14_jeremy_flirt = 5.5
                                            "I kept grinding against him, savoring this forbidden limit I couldn't, that I shouldn't, cross."
                                            if v14_lena_drug == 3:
                                                "If it weren't for my altered state of mind, I'd hardly have dared go this far... But being able to hold certain boundaries was already an achievement."
                                            else:
                                                "For now, this was all I allowed myself to do with Jeremy... and it was already a lot."
This option is currently only possible for Lena who is on drugs, but the content in this branch has variants for both drugged and sober Lena, so perhaps this is a bit of oversight and the option should have some alternative requirements to pick it? Like i dunno, either willpower point or high lust or something?
 
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Oh, sorry, i didn't see it earlier. I don't have any real experience with Jeremy dating in this update -- my Lena's relationship with him is polite at best and his reporting her tryst with Axel to Ian didn't help, so i've had very limited interactions with him that Lena automatically bails out from at first opportunity.

From what i can see, if you don't go for Mike/Jeremy threesome at the end and instead have a talk with Jeremy alone, the sexy options are gated behind flirt which you initiate when you "help Jeremy" to retrieve his trunks. This requires either relationship with Jeremy at 8+ or Lena to have BBC fantasy, for starters. If you go there with high relationship route but not BBC fantasy, Lena can flirt if she played the game with Jeremy at Ivy's place (iirc) back on Ch.7:
Python:
    if lena_jeremy_dating:
        $ flena = "flirt"
        jump v14helpjeremy
    else:
        menu:
            "{image=icon_friend.webp}Help Jeremy" if lena_jeremy > 7 or lena_fty_bbc:
                label v14helpjeremy:
//...
                menu:
                    "{image=icon_lust.webp}Tease Jeremy" if lena_fty_bbc or v7_bbc == "lena" or v7_game_pants:
                        label v14helpjeremy2:
                            $ v14_jeremy_flirt = True
Then in the evening you can push forward based on these conditions:
Python:
                        if lena_jeremy_dating or (v14_jeremy_flirt and lena_pure == False) or (v14_jeremy_flirt and ian_lena_mmf):
Essentially, for Lena in high relationship with Ian she needs to have the MMF fantasy. Things can escalate if Lena isn't in any relationship with Holly (so no Trinity or Lena/Holly couple) She will do it automatically if she's high, or you get it as option:
Python:
                                if v14_lena_drug == 3 and holly_trinity < 2 and lena_holly_dating == False:
                                    jump v14jeremypoolflirt
                                menu:
                                    "{image=icon_lust.webp}Play with Jeremy" if holly_trinity < 2 and lena_holly_dating == False:
                                        label v14jeremypoolflirt:
                                            $ v14_jeremy_flirt = 2
Then you can potentially "Take Jeremy upstairs" which has multiple paths to get there:
Python:
                                    # lena ian
                                        if ian_lena_couple or ian_lena_dating:
                                        # jeremy enemy
                                            if v12_jeremy_crisis and v12_jeremy_crisis != "solved":
//...
                                                if ian_lena_couple:
                                                    if ian_lena_open:
//...
                                                    elif lena_cheating == 2 or ian_cuck > 1:
If Ian and Jeremy are conflicted and Lena/Ian have open relationship, or Lena has opted to keep cheating on Ian, or he's a cuck....
Python:
                                        # jeremy friend
                                            else:
//...
                                               if ian_lena_couple:
                                                    if ian_lena_mmf:
//...
                                                        if v14_lena_mmf_tease:
                                                            jump v14jeremyflirtmenu
Or, if Ian and Jeremy are friendly, this is an option if Lena talked with Ian about MMF threesome and teased about this possibility in texting with Ian earlier, which requires some Charisma and Lust:
Python:
                            menu v14mmftease:
                                "{image=icon_charisma.webp}+{image=icon_lust.webp}Would it be so bad?" if lena_charisma > 6 and lena_lust > 6:
                                    $ v14_lena_mmf_tease = True
Once you have Jeremy upstairs, you get options to escalate things:
Python:
            if ian_lena_mmf and ian_lena_couple:
                if v14_lena_mmf_tease:
//...
                    menu:
                        "{image=icon_lust.webp}Touch it" if lena_lust > 7 or v14_lena_drug == 3:
                            $ v14_jeremy_flirt = 4
//...
                            "I stood up, happy with my inspection, and I found myself staring right into Jeremy's eyes."
                            "I could see uneasiness in his eyes, possibly troubled by the same urge I was barely holding at bay."
                            j "Is Ian really alright with this...?"
                            menu:
                                "{image=icon_charisma.webp}+{image=icon_lust.webp}We're not doing anything wrong" if lena_lust > 8 and lena_charisma > 7 or lena_lust > 7 and lena_charisma > 8 or v14_lena_drug == 3:
                                    $ v14_jeremy_flirt = 5
//...
                                    j "Ugh...! Lena...!"
                                    "I began moving my hips, Jeremy's shaft trapped between my soft thighs, while I looked him directly in the eyes."
                                    j "Is this really alright...?"
//...
                                    menu:
                                        "{image=icon_lust.webp}Keep going" if v14_lena_drug == 3:
At the moment you need stoned Lena to take things even further on friendly path, but i think this is an overlook because the code in this branch has variants for non-drugged Lena as well. Will ping PilotLara about it in another post that's less of a wall. /s

If Jeremy and Ian are on war path then things upstairs are much simpler and take off basically on their own.

hth. :whistle::coffee:
Thank you so much. One last question if I may: if J and I are on the war path and LI a couple BUT Lena has been faithful up to now, BUT she is high on drugs, can they go all the way ?
 
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Thank you so much. One last question if I may: if J and I are on the war path and LI a couple BUT Lena has been faithful up to now, BUT she is high on drugs, can they go all the way ?
I think the drugs may not be a factor in this scenario, but if Lena hasn't cheated yet (and she's also need to opt to keep cheating) then Ian needs to be a cuck by the looks of it, because you need to enter this branch:
Python:
                                                    elif lena_cheating == 2 or ian_cuck > 1:
the alternative is Lena and Ian in open relationship, but then it's not really cheating.
 

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the reason why i said axel is not protagonist material is because he is designed as antagonist. we are supposed to be wary of him and see him as problem. to have axel as protagonist you would have to redesign him completely, since you always empathize with protagonists. that's just basic psychology. axel's reason to exist in the story would automatically be redefined. that's not axel then, that's a new character.
We can empathize with anybody, like serial killers (Dexter) or rapists (like the MC in some games)
 
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Dudes, I'm constantly faced with the situation that Ian doesn't have enough cuckold point for a certain choice, where to get them? I've done everything, but still, there aren't enough of them in every playthrough, and Ian cuckold is probably the only branch I haven't been able to master.
 
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Dudes, I'm constantly faced with the situation that Ian doesn't have enough cuckold point for a certain choice, where to get them? I've done everything, but still, there aren't enough of them in every playthrough, and Ian cuckold is probably the only branch I haven't been able to master.
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A cuck Ian player :cautious:. Well the points I know about to get cuck points are: Chapter 10 when Ian is having sex with Lena. When she says his cock is one of the best you have to pick the frowny face option. In chapter 11, if Ian has not gotten over Gillian you'll have a chance to get cuck points if he watches Gillian get fucked. Also in chapter 11 you can choose to tell Lena about the dream. She will tease you and give you a footjob. You have to pick the lust option then the frowny face option. Don't ask me how I know any of this :sneaky:
 
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dexter -> protagonist of the story
MC in some games -> protagonist of the story (what do you think MC stands for?)

i'm sorry, but did you actually read what i wrote?
You said Axel wasn't protagonist material. I said yes he could be
 
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funny thing, some people can immerse themselves with relatable characters, others like me can immerse themselves with believable characters.
a blank slate who can be anything isn't believable to me. that's the problem i have.
Here's the thing: the 'blank slate' is a STARTING POINT. It's a character that is generic enough you can effectively push toward most directions and see them go somewhere without thinking "oh ok, that's weird I can do that". you build said character into the path you want to within reason

That's why I was amused when you said you'd feel insulted if you were to relate to a blank slate.

therefore a physical representation of axel would of course work very well as MC
Would it? Why isn't it the standard, then? I can tell you there are games where the MC IS a born Chad, I've already talked about Jake from Race of Life since it lives up to a 'physical ideal' so well. But the story is built around that very specific setup and has very little wiggle. Just like there would be very little wiggle playing with Axel as the MC unless you want to lose the 'believable' factor you cherish so much. You end up reading a story instead of playing a game. Maybe the story is great, I'm not arguing that, but it sure as shit ain't no game.

because if you don't like "ugly bastard" as theme
What if you don't like "nazi lab experiment" as theme?

, you wouldn't want the character with the most screen time to be a flabby limp dick guy.
Ultimately, a guy so hot he gets pussy by clapping hands and a guy so ugly he'd have to win the lottery to bag a girl are both extremes. Both are believable and both can be 'hot' if you cater to the appropriate niche. That's not the point of contention. The point is that, how do you expect to make a decision-based game where said characters are so biased toward those traits that make them either extremely hot or extremely ugly?
 
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I think the drugs may not be a factor in this scenario, but if Lena hasn't cheated yet (and she's also need to opt to keep cheating) then Ian needs to be a cuck by the looks of it, because you need to enter this branch:
Python:
                                                    elif lena_cheating == 2 or ian_cuck > 1:
the alternative is Lena and Ian in open relationship, but then it's not really cheating.
Thank you. Interesting. So it means you can have a vanilla Lena on the cuck path who has not cheated yet and who will do so with Jeremy for the first time. Did not see that one coming, will try it for fun (?) sakes.
 
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You said Axel wasn't protagonist material. I said yes he could be
am i that bad at expressing myself? you also did quote the part where i said why axel wouldn't work circle.png
"you always empathize with protagonists." "that's not axel then, that's a new character."
dexter is not an antagonist and MCs in games are never the antagonists. that's not how that works!
 
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