VN Unity Out of Touch! [v3.51.2] [Story Anon]

[Story Anon]

There's a vast difference between casual homophobia and dropping slurs. He gets portrayed as such an empathetic guy that it not only feels weird for him to be dropping slurs like that, but its also weird how none of his friends would say anything about him doing it.

You're exactly right, the error on CJ's part is that he's completely ignorant of that fact (among many...many others) and just assumes everyone feels the same way about it as he does...which is a pretty tall-privileged-white-jock thing to do, not necessarily in a good way.

He treats Jamie like any freshman that would have been on his swim team back in Southern California where the word is so ubiquitously used amongst jocks that it ceases to mean anything. To him it clearly doesn't mean anything, but that doesn't stop it from being extremely crass.

This is a running theme with him not just here, but for a ton of very common Japanese courtesies that he just straight up ignores and would likely result in frowns. In this case though, it's something that Westerners can pretty easily pick up.

And actually as far as this goes:

but its also weird how none of his friends would say anything about him doing it.

Leah had just walked out of earshot of him in Ch11 when he said it, otherwise she probably would have.

The only other people who heard him say it are Jamie (Who at that point is desperately trying to seem manlier near him and starts cursing a ton as a result) and Sarah (Who, as her latest side story in Ch31 shows, doesn't really understand curse words that aren't threats.)


For specific metrics, the word Fag is said a grand total of 4 times in the script, 1 of which is by Jamie, and it's only ever said between those two in an endearing way.

I am not saying we need to hate vic. She did what she did, but she was forgiven. And thats okay. Thats a good story and I think this game treats the subject generally with the significance that it deserves. It's clear as an important and tragic even that wasn't good for anyone involved. As opposed to a lot of other stories that either pretend it didn't happen or that it doesn't count because a man was the victim.

Vic's situation is deliberately written with enough vagueness that the reader's interpretation, and ultimately judgment, has room to be valid. I don't want to spell out how you should feel about her, and it's perfectly reasonable to have negative feelings about her (I mean hell, she does.)

The unreliable narrator isn't in the actions, but the tone. Go look at how the prologue version is shot essentially like a horror movie while the Ch15 version from CJ's perspective is far more gentle and sad. The two look directly at the same event and came out with wildly different conclusions, with Sarah outright narrating what CJ experienced in Ch15.

Chapter 29 obviously changes that up even more, but I'm not sure if you've gotten there yet.

As opposed to a lot of other stories that either pretend it didn't happen or that it doesn't count because a man was the victim.

There have been a few people who have said that OoT says male rape isn't real, and I think it's a pretty odd conclusion considering literally everybody takes CJ's side except his downright villainous mother. Leah was ready to completely cut ties with the woman she loves over it, Jamie was pretty close too.

 

[Alandir]

Leah had just walked out of earshot of him in Ch11 when he said it, otherwise she probably would have.

The only other people who heard him say it are Jamie (Who at that point is desperately trying to seem manlier near him and starts cursing a ton as a result) and Sarah (Who, as her latest side story in Ch31 shows, doesn't really understand curse words that aren't threats.)

Really? I remember one scene that stood out. Can't remember which chapter it was, but it was just when the whole team was together after he makes up with vic and just had Kieran show up. She got chased off by vic and then CJ says bye and the word and noone says anything. I am pretty sure there were a lot more people there at that point aside from jamie and sarah. I understood why those two didn't say anything. Or am I misremembering things here?

About the other thing. Like I said I think it's handled pretty well. It's not portrayed as sexy in any way, noone is having a good time, everyone reacts with the appropriate shock and horror at what happened. And I don't hate Vic for it, just wanted to comment on the unreliable narrator thing.

 

[Story Anon]

Really? I remember one scene that stood out. Can't remember which chapter it was, but it was just when the whole team was together after he makes up with vic and just had Kieran show up. She got chased off by vic and then CJ says bye and the word and noone says anything. I am pretty sure there were a lot more people there at that point aside from jamie and sarah. I understood why those two didn't say anything. Or am I misremembering things here?

The word is said in Chapter 4, Chapter 7, Chapter 10 and Chapter 11.

Chapter 4 is in CJ and Jamie's room with CJ, Jamie and Sarah present.​

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Chapter 7 is said in front of everyone as they're leaving, except it's Jamie who says it to CJ as a private word of encouragement.​

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Chapter 10 is in CJ and Jamie's room again with only CJ and Jamie present.​

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Chapter 11 it's said to Jamie right as everyone's leaving the classroom, with Jamie being the last one to leave along with Sarah.​

It's never said again after that.

 

[Alandir]

The word is said in Chapter 4, Chapter 7, Chapter 10 and Chapter 11.

Chapter 4 is in CJ and Jamie's room with CJ, Jamie and Sarah present.​

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Chapter 7 is said in front of everyone as they're leaving, except it's Jamie who says it to CJ as a private word of encouragement.​

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Chapter 10 is in CJ and Jamie's room again with only CJ and Jamie present.​

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Chapter 11 it's said to Jamie right as everyone's leaving the classroom, with Jamie being the last one to leave along with Sarah.​

It's never said again after that.

Hmm, guess I mistook Jamie for CJ then in chapter 7.

Also I just got to another fairy namedrop in the story. Given the look of those I think someone has played a lot of yakuza games.

 

[ElukiaTV]

i cant believe we are once again playing "characters in videogames needs to be Politically correct" on a PIRACY site of all places.
its not that big of a deal, not even close. Slurs have been used between close friends from ages. Saying stupid stuff to your best friends is usually signal of how close you are to them, you know you can say or call them stupid stuff, because they know you dont mean it. They will say the same to you the next day.
Also, just because a word (or words) have a certain negative weight in your country, doesnt mean they have the same weight in other contries... or continents. I could say the hard N word here in Spain and not a single person would even know its suposed to be something bad.
Same happens for this tall gaijin named CJ, im sure 90% of the population in Japan will not be able to understand what the hell is he talking about, even less than one of those words will upset someone in a different continent.
For the logic of some of the people (not now, but earlier in the game dev) CJ should feel offended each time somebody called him puppy or idiot. You know.. the... Twitter user way of thinking.

 

[Alandir]

i cant believe we are once again playing "characters in videogames needs to be Politically correct" on a PIRACY site of all places.
For the logic of some of the people (not now, but earlier in the game dev) CJ should feel offended each time somebody called him puppy or idiot. You know.. the... Twitter user way of thinking.

It's not about character being politically correct, it's about characters being consistent. But there's really no point trying to explain that to someone who thinks endearingly calling someone puppy is the same as calling someone a slur.

 

[david makai]

Which is a totally fair take.

The importance of the scene is that it tells you that the game is going to be playing some absolutely absurd premises completely straight and that while you and I both know it's a joke, to the characters it's entirely serious. Almost everything that comes after that is much more easily accepted because well, it may be weird but it's not Chad Thundercock in the clouds weird.

playing it straight and fully committing is the only way to handle absurdity, one of my favourite games is non-stop insanity and it only works because the narrative is committed to taking it as deadly seriously as it possibly can.

That said there's a few things this could use:
-whenever CJ is not on screen everyone should be asking where he is at all times
-a fishing minigame
-a lot of repetition (everything should cost a lot of money and take forever to get)
-CJ needs to be a blank slate self-insert
-H scenes need to be like crates in old FPS, as many as early as possible. Make the "story" fit them and not the other way around

and so on

 

[Alandir]

playing it straight and fully committing is the only way to handle absurdity, one of my favourite games is non-stop insanity and it only works because the narrative is committed to taking it as deadly seriously as it possibly can.

That said there's a few things this could use:
-whenever CJ is not on screen everyone should be asking where he is at all times
-a fishing minigame
-a lot of repetition (everything should cost a lot of money and take forever to get)
-CJ needs to be a blank slate self-insert
-H scenes need to be like crates in old FPS, as many as early as possible. Make the "story" fit them and not the other way around

and so on

That gives me a few great ideas as well:
- A saints row like mechanic where you have to get an increasing number of sex scenes after each chapter to proceed to the next. Great for story pacing.
- A fishing minigames, but instead of fish, you catch mermaids and then they have sex with CJ.
- A crane-minigame, but you get presents, which you give girls who immediatly have sex with CJ.
- Every time one or more women are in a scene they should incessantly compare their breats sizes with each other and talk about them at lenghth.
- Scenes were one woman grabs another woman's breasts make for hilarious comedy. They should be repeated as often as possible. Idealy during dramatic story moments to lighten things up.
- Every time you enter open sections that allow you to travel between locations, each time travelling should require you to successfully finish a minigame in which you need to catch up to a train.

 

[Story Anon]

playing it straight and fully committing is the only way to handle absurdity, one of my favourite games is non-stop insanity and it only works because the narrative is committed to taking it as deadly seriously as it possibly can.

That said there's a few things this could use:
-whenever CJ is not on screen everyone should be asking where he is at all times
-a fishing minigame
-a lot of repetition (everything should cost a lot of money and take forever to get)
-CJ needs to be a blank slate self-insert
-H scenes need to be like crates in old FPS, as many as early as possible. Make the "story" fit them and not the other way around

and so on

That gives me a few great ideas as well:
- A saints row like mechanic where you have to get an increasing number of sex scenes after each chapter to proceed to the next. Great for story pacing.
- A fishing minigames, but instead of fish, you catch mermaids and then they have sex with CJ.
- A crane-minigame, but you get presents, which you give girls who immediatly have sex with CJ.
- Every time one or more women are in a scene they should incessantly compare their breats sizes with each other and talk about them at lenghth.
- Scenes were one woman grabs another woman's breasts make for hilarious comedy. They should be repeated as often as possible. Idealy during dramatic story moments to lighten things up.
- Every time you enter open sections that allow you to travel between locations, each time travelling should require you to successfully finish a minigame in which you need to catch up to a train.

No wonder I don't have any patrons.

 

[akselx]

...calling someone puppy is the same as calling someone a slur.

I was under the impression that exactly how black americans talk to each other.

No wonder I don't have any patrons.

Not really connected to anything, but I fail to mention that that scene with Jamie and CJ filling a questionnaire is pretty much the best casual interaction between the two of them. I hope there's more where it came from.

 

[david makai]

Yeah I'd say it's the casual interactions (between everyone!) that make the whole thing great, and something storytelling games with a good cast don't always do enough of. Because everyone will have different dynamics with different people and it's interesting to see how that plays out.

 

[Story Anon]

Not really connected to anything, but I fail to mention that that scene with Jamie and CJ filling a questionnaire is pretty much the best casual interaction between the two of them. I hope there's more where it came from.

That's the primary purpose for the side stories, I want to keep the main story pretty focused and well paced so sometimes it's hard to fit in those little moments.

Yeah I'd say it's the casual interactions (between everyone!) that make the whole thing great, and something storytelling games with a good cast don't always do enough of. Because everyone will have different dynamics with different people and it's interesting to see how that plays out.

Thankfully we've got much more to come, so plenty to look forward to!

 

[kingspace]

I don't really like that koikatsu artstyle but this game is right up my alley so, I'm giving it a try.

 

[WhitePolarFoxxx]

I don't really like that koikatsu artstyle but this game is right up my alley so, I'm giving it a try.

After a bunch of average koikatsu games I returned to OoT. And I didn't immediately notice that OoT is koikatsu-based too.

 

[david makai]

I don't really like that koikatsu artstyle but this game is right up my alley so, I'm giving it a try.

I'd say don't let the art fool you, it's really "a Koikatsu game" in appearance only. I'd definitely give it a look.

 

[Jimbolance]

Something that's been a background radiation throughout my porn game playing experience has been that in a great harem-romance game the love interests shouldn't just feel like they're all married to the MC, they should feel like they are all married to each other (not *necessarily* in a romantic sense).

So believe me when I say this game was like crack for me.
I chewed through all the current content in under a week lol.

 

[Laziness]

So believe me when I say this game was like crack for me.
I chewed through all the current content in under a week lol.

Yeah that's normal.

The real crackhead behaviour is when you do a whole other playthrough and start taking notes.

 

[david makai]

just out of curiosity, what's the eta for chapter 32?

 

[Story Anon]

just out of curiosity, what's the eta for chapter 32?

The 25th for patrons and June 1st for everyone.

 

[Goat09]

Hey Story Anon, I had a small request. Would you please put the version number in either the folder name or in the main menu? Would make keeping up to date much easier