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VN Unity Out of Touch! [v3.51.2] [Story Anon]

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justonemore20

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Krytax123 said:
I interpreted it a bit different.

Imo the main part of Auxo's plan wasnt for a glory shard to reach her but to "recreate" the original glory which CJ seems to turned out to be. She reached her goal and fullfilled her main purpose.

And its so hard to judge Auxo imo because as i understood it, shes literally the god of creation of everything (using cj's/glorys engery to create). What happened to these destroyed planets was gruesome but you could say it was just the circle of life and death and Auxo was all of it.

It sounded like these galaxys/universes got created with the sole purpose to create CJ. Countless tries over and over again with miniscure variations/differences until CJ/Glory is back as he was. All the created life and death was just the byproduct of these countless failed tries.

In a way its like trying to judge nature that we get old and die at some point or that our planets ressources are depleted at some point.

She would have definitely created a universe full of the most barbaric terror, gruetly and nightmares if it would have provided the best chances to "create cj" and you cant really blame her from her perspective if he was the reason she was doing this in the first place. Without her probably none of these universes would have ever existed in the first place.

From this pov the hayato stuff doesnt really matter either as it would mean that hayato (and giving him this power) was necessary to create cj and she would have been "responsible" for all serial killers ever existed.

She said something among the lines of "a grain of sand flying through the wind and chaning its direction" and this seems to be how miniscule her creation was, over and over and over again. She created unlimited universes close to inidentical with the smallest differences until everything finaly clicked and cj was able to survive.




Continuing my though from above, variations where she didnt did this had CJ probably dying, he apparently needed Naomi and he needed the body naomi created. But stuff like the Vial and maybe the Hayato/Cro deal seems like out of the plan, like she interjected it into her weaving later on (due to someones advice? mini cj?).

But anyway i doubt it really mattered to her (nor will matter in the grand sheme of things) as long as it created CJ. Maybe having this fucked up childhood was even necessary for CJ to attain the resilence he needs to survive and to truely cherish all the love he gets nowaday.

He's a god, maybe this gruesome experience was somehow required to keep him grounded and value his true meaningful relationships in the long run, we dont really now as we dont really know what went wrong with the original glory and his harem.



All of this seems planned, my guess is by the original glory, to me it looks like he initiated some kind of restart in the prologue after whatever tragedy happened with/between the goddesses and Cro and Sarah were part of this plan (unknowingly) from the very beginning.
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I can agree with most of this except one thing, Auxo can't be the creator of these universes because that would implied that she can create CJ shards to experiment with. Either that or she had a bunch, created a universe, placed a shard, failed, and repeated, at which case she wouldn't need more than one shard to retry for infinity and she wouldn't need to go to different universes nor go to CJ's, she could just keep trying reusing one shard. The only way that her needing different fragments make sense is if she went to universes already created were a shard of CJ landed so she could try again, and of course dooming that universe in the process and moving to the next.

Also if she is making these universes she should have full control, she wouldn't need a shard for herself, and the other goddesses interfering would bring a different kind of problem, they could just camp auxo until they have taken all her shards xD
 
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justonemore20 said:
I can agree with most of this except one thing, Auxo can't be the creator of these universes because that would implied that she can create CJ shards to experiment with. Either that or she had a bunch, created a universe, placed a shard, failed, and repeated, at which case she wouldn't need more than one shard to retry for infinity and she wouldn't need to go to different universe nor go to CJ's, she could just keep trying reusing one shard. The only way that her needing different fragments make sense is if she went to universes already created were a shard of CJ landed so she could try again, and of course dooming that universe in the process and moving to the next.
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I mean i dunno and all of the things i said are highly speculative anyway but:

When CJ split himself into (however many shards) we dont know what happened to these, maybe Auxo grabbed them (lol) and planted them. And of course she would plant them all to increase the chances to get the jackpot. Time seemed to be still important.

As more tries she has as higher the chance to finally get everything right and maybe she took these shards back after he died (when the other ones didnt destoryed/captured the shard).

Like she plants 1 million shards and waits for the univereses to grow, wait until cj gets born at some point and if he dies reaps the universe again. Thats how i kinda imagined it, a neverending circle of universes with cj shards being created.
 
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Krytax123 said:
I mean i dunno and all of the things i said are highly speculative anyway but:

When CJ split himself into (however many shards) we dont know what happened to these, maybe Auxo grabbed them (lol) and planted them. And of course she would plant them all to increase the chances to get the jackpot. Time seemed to be still important.

As more tries she has as higher the chance to finally get everything right and maybe she took these shards back after he died (when the other ones didnt destoryed/captured the shard).

Like she plants 1 million shards and waits for the univereses to grow, wait until cj gets born at some point and if he dies reaps the universe again. Thats how i kinda imagined it, a neverending circle of universes with cj shards being created.
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I get that but the premise of the goddesses needing a shard of their own in orden to be able to manifest event the smallest part of their powers is what push me back in what you say. As far as i understand the reason for this is because they are external beings that don't belong to those universes so they need an anchor, even teresa says this when they all confront carpo, "you don't belong here, we will restore balance to the world by purging you" or something like that. If auxo created these universes she would not be an external being, she would be their god, thus i don't know why she would need teresa to exist, she could just descent and do it herself. Also how could leah usurp her goddess.
 
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justonemore20 said:
I get that but the premise of the goddesses needing a shard of their own in orden to be able to manifest event the smallest part of their powers is what push me back in what you say. As far as i understand the reason for this is because they are external beings that don't belong to those universes so they need an anchor, even teresa says this when they all confront carpo, "you don't belong here, we will restore balance to the world by purging you" or something like that. If auxo created this universes she would not be an external being, she would be their god, thus i don't know why she would need teresa to exist, she could just descent and do it herself. Also how could leah usurp her goddess.
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Uhm i dont understand i think?

All four of them are godesses from every universe with different abilitys/powersets and with different "jobs" in the divine harem in my view.

Like she creates this universe and observes and when it fails, the engery gets absorbed back into the creation process (or into cj when he appeared). The failed CJ shard could possibily still be there and being absorbed back too (if he isnt caught by any of the other godesses).

They are everyone's gods in every universe imo as far as we know, they are just not able to directly influence without their own shards but how is that connected to being gods? Neither of them seems to be truely omnipotent and i think that is by design.
 
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Krytax123 said:
Uhm i dont understand i think?

All four of them are godesses from every universe with different abilitys/powersets and with different "jobs" in the divine harem in my view.

Like she creates this universe and observes and when it fails, the engery gets absorbed back into the creation process (or into cj when he appeared). The failed CJ shard could possibily still be there and being absorbed back too (if he isnt caught by any of the other godesses).

They are everyone's gods in every universe imo as far as we know, they are just not able to directly influence without their own shards but how is that connected to being gods? Neither of them seems to be truely omnipotent and i think that is by design.
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You know what, a had something very different here explaining my reasoning but after replaying the conversation with auxo where she explains her power and the part where CJ's mom breaks free from her control now I'm truly confused. She explains her power as changing things, not making them. She also explains that her power works in the past, so she can change the past to cause a present that she wants, like purposefully causing the big bang if said universe was empty before her arrival so she can start making other changes and give life. yet the moment hector scares naomi and makes her break free Auxo starts screaming "NO, PLEASE, I AM SO CLOSE", so no, like i said Auxo screw and didn't intent for CJ to have an abusive mother, that or she was over dramatic just for the sake of it. Yet i have no idea why she didn't use her power to change it so hector was roll over by a truck in his way to CJ's house or something. Because of that time shit is that i didn't include it in my first explanations since I'm not really sure it is true that she can change the past...

Also like i tried to explain before it has been said already in the past and i can search for those dialogs in the game, that there are both worlds that don't have shards of CJ nor shards of the goddesses existing out there, and also worlds where there are shards but auxo was only in 80% of those, so by what you said before if she really created them and prepared them all, she should be in all of them. So yeah, i'll stick with universes existing already like a multiverse, fragments of CJ scattering to most of these and the goddesses following them and screwing said universes because of their plans for him.

Also Jamie's grandfather already went and visited worlds already destroyed and abandoned so either I was right or you were right but auxo doesn't like recycling.

Lastly, you mention the goddesses being "everyone's gods in every universe" but this is out right false, it has been made abundantly clear that besides the ones involve in all of this the rest of the people don't know about this goddesses and just pray to they usual gods, the same as in our world. If that was not the case instead of chasing for answers from cro about the goddesses they could have just open a bible or gone to church.

And if you meant they being the true goddesses and creators of every existing world then same problem as before, the reason they can't manifest much of their power is that they are external beings that have to follow the rules of a world that they don't belong to, that's why their shards exist to begin with to let then use a little of their power. If these were truly their universes they would be more free to use their powers and outright manifest in the world an go to harass CJ in person, just think about how CJ can make anything he wants in the beach world he made because it is a world that he made, ¿yet the goddesses are restrained in their own worlds?

I see the goddesses as the spiritual embodiment of the concepts that created the universe: Space, life, the sun, the moon, gold (seriously, ¿what the hell does the last one have to do with the rest?). But because they are the spiritual embodiment they do not belong in the world of the living, that is why their domains are on the other side and they need their shards to cross over and actually do things there.
 
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justonemore20 said:
Ok then, here i go. if someone else later thinks that i mistook something or that i have something wrong don't be afraid to correct me, that way i can understand better to.

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That's about it, again i don't know if i have everything right but in case something is wrong and someone wants to correct me go ahead, and sorry for grammatical atrocities and all that.
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No, you did a phenomenal job actually while proving and disproving some conclusions I made about this arc.
To be honest, I also had the same assumption about Hector being a shard of CJ trapped within that dying planet when I first saw him to start off Auxo/Teresa's arc. However, towards the end of the arc I saw/understood his mission, but the demons' involvement, as well as the red serum made me question my interpretation of this arc, so I hurried towards the comment section to make these concerns known.
Thank you for reminding me about Teresa's mother (Rosa I believe) being half-fairy, because it awaken the memories earlier in the story when Rosa and/or Teresa would hard-read CJ's emotions when he dealt with his surrogate mother: Naomi during I believe Khione/Victoria's arc(?). However, neither of them would confront Naomi's abuse and just instead provided comfort for CJ.
As for Cro, if I'm not mistaken, isn't the reason she was alone from the start was due to her being the mother of all fairies? Cro didn't have any other companions besides the four goddesses, who constantly looked down on her as a rival, and CJ himself. Either way, I hope Cro and Sarah can work out their differences, and hopefully Cro and now Kieran can fill in the holes that Sarah's sisters left behind.
As for Tsukiko, thank you for your explanation. It was easier to comprehend her involvement with Carpo and Khione, but for Auxo, she seems to be more hands-off during this arc in my opinion.

Finally, I just completed chapter 46, but I don't believe Sarah will go down the same path as Cro, because the more memories Cro seems to accumulate from her past, the more regret for her actions she feels. Yet, with those regrets (when Leah came across that talking stone in her arc that turned out to be Cro) come reflections to self-improve her approach on CJ's happiness, which is keeping his new family together. I truly believe Cro is a changed person, but she has caused unmistakable trauma towards Kieran and her family/friends in the past. Thank god CJ seems to have the magic touch when it comes to dealing with situations like this by now (Victoria, Jamie, Leah, Sarah, etc).
 
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No, you did a phenomenal job actually while proving and disproving some conclusions I made about this arc.
To be honest, I also had the same assumption about Hector being a shard of CJ trapped within that dying planet when I first saw him to start off Auxo/Teresa's arc. However, towards the end of the arc I saw/understood his mission, but the demons' involvement, as well as the red serum made me question my interpretation of this arc, so I hurried towards the comment section to make these concerns known.
Thank you for reminding me about Teresa's mother (Rosa I believe) being half-fairy, because it awaken the memories earlier in the story when Rosa and/or Teresa would hard-read CJ's emotions when he dealt with his surrogate mother: Naomi during I believe Khione/Victoria's arc(?). However, neither of them would confront Naomi's abuse and just instead provided comfort for CJ.
As for Cro, if I'm not mistaken, isn't the reason she was alone from the start was due to her being the mother of all fairies? Cro didn't have any other companions besides the four goddesses, who constantly looked down on her as a rival, and CJ himself. Either way, I hope Cro and Sarah can work out their differences, and hopefully Cro and now Kieran can fill in the holes that Sarah's sisters left behind.
As for Tsukiko, thank you for your explanation. It was easier to comprehend her involvement with Carpo and Khione, but for Auxo, she seems to be more hands-off during this arc in my opinion.

Finally, I just completed chapter 46, but I don't believe Sarah will go down the same path as Cro, because the more memories Cro seems to accumulate from her past, the more regret for her actions she feels. Yet, with those regrets (when Leah came across that talking stone in her arc that turned out to be Cro) come reflections to self-improve her approach on CJ's happiness, which is keeping his new family together. I truly believe Cro is a changed person, but she has caused unmistakable trauma towards Kieran and her family/friends in the past. Thank god CJ seems to have the magic touch when it comes to dealing with situations like this by now (Victoria, Jamie, Leah, Sarah, etc).
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About cro being the "mother of the fairies", I'm not sure about this one. You see the one actually named that is Auxo, her and glory (former CJ) made the fairy race together. BUT apparently cro was made entirely from CJ, Auxo even recognizes this when talking about sarah saying something like "i thought she was cro returned, for who else would be bonded to you like that, but unlike cro, this fairy bears my mark, yet she is not the fruit of our crucible like every other fairy", so i don´t know if cro actually had sisters before or not but apparently she had a different creation that the rest of the fairies not having auxos touch, but sarah is also different probably because of CJ's "father".

The reason Auxo made the espinozas carry the blood of the fae especifically was so teresa could be for CJ what cro used to be for glory.
 
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i felt drained after finishing this arc. I'm also gonna need to know who got out alive, cause I'm not sure if any of them did really. The non arc-centric girls were really sidelined, and I missed my favorite so that was disappointing. I'm gonna give this one a 6/10. This was even more metaphysical than the Theresa arc and that required two or three retreads to grasp it.
 
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Karakes said:
i felt drained after finishing this arc. I'm also gonna need to know who got out alive, cause I'm not sure if any of them did really. The non arc-centric girls were really sidelined, and I missed my favorite so that was disappointing. I'm gonna give this one a 6/10. This was even more metaphysical than the Theresa arc and that required two or three retreads to grasp it.
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The only ones in question are Sarah, Cro and Keiran or arent they? In a sense that they "all" could end up together in sarah's body and Misuki in "Keiran's" body? Well and Kei is probably gone.

But everyone else should be safe or am i forgetting someone?
 
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