VN Unity Out of Touch! [v3.91.1] [Story Anon]

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I am not defending that guy's post but I strongly disagree with this statement. Since when do choices imply the game is trying to get you to self insert? Depending on how it is executed choices can add a bit of complexity to the game and can help with story, character developement and worldbuilding.

They don't *mean* self-insert, but IME there is a correlation. If you want to feel like you are in the story instead of just observing the story then having some amount of control tends to follow. I'm sure there are KN-type games that are aimed at self-insert folks, but I haven't seen many. Typically the people screaming for choices are also the ones that are furious if you cannot rename the protagonist.

But on the other hand choices = more work for the dev and unless it is planned carefully the extra work introduced by choices can increase exponentially. And I would rather have more content than more choices.

100% agree there. Branches can be completely independent (and thus crush your productivity) or they can try to share a lot of content (and are usually very challenging for your typical daz-artist-pretending-to-be-a-programmer). Either way sucks.

I have seen games that go back and add routes after completing the main. That makes a ton of sense on the surface, but in practice few devs do it because once the main (usually harem) route is done it is hard to keep your patreon numbers up while working on a single girl, for obvious reasons. Makes more sense to just move onto the next game.

 

[akselx]

Also, yes, indeed I was... I fucked up... there's some heavy compression in some renders and for some reason I interpreted it as 720p... but nah, I paid attention and it's indeed 1080p... don't know wtf I was smoking... anyways, problem solved, thanks for the help

Don't worry, Hans, low quality european weed does this to you.

 

[MysticsWinner]

starting it now, lets see when I'll be finished...

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

They don't *mean* self-insert, but IME there is a correlation. If you want to feel like you are in the story instead of just observing the story then having some amount of control tends to follow. I'm sure there are KN-type games that are aimed at self-insert folks, but I haven't seen many. Typically the people screaming for choices are also the ones that are furious if you cannot rename the protagonist.

I have never felt that way. Some games I like such as Pale Carnations or Good Girl Gone Bad would just be worse games if they followed the KN format. A KN format alone does not make a game any less of a self insert game. And with the harem themes and its anime-ish tropes I personally think that this game is more of a wish fulfillment self insert fantasy than either PC or GGGB.

That's not to say that wish fulfillment type games are bad - it all depends on the execution and games like Eternum and Desert Stalker (which I think also appeal to the self insert audience) are among my favorite adult games. And I like this game because it is well executed too in terms of the overall story and writing. But when it comes to self inserting, I just think that if you liked to self insert it would be far more appealing to try and do that in a harem game like this one as opposed to something like pale carnations where 3 of the love interests are whores or good girl gone bad where you play as a woman desperately trying to become the biggest slut imaginable.

When it comes to trying to get people to self insert, I think the contents of the game play a much larger role than things like player choices. And this is also why I think that so many harem manga, light novels, korean pornhwas, chinese Xianxia/Wuxia novels etc that I have read try to appeal to readers who like to self insert despite the fact that they obviously have fixed stories because of the medium they are in.

But maybe I only feel this way because I dont try to self insert.

 

[Story Anon]

I have never felt that way. Some games I like such as Pale Carnations or Good Girl Gone Bad would just be worse games if they followed the KN format. A KN format alone does not make a game any less of a self insert game. And with the harem themes and its anime-ish tropes I personally think that this game is more of a wish fulfillment self insert fantasy than either PC or GGGB.

PC is totally a self-insert game...for TD1900

That's not to say that wish fulfillment type games are bad - it all depends on the execution and games like Eternum and Desert Stalker (which I think also appeal to the self insert audience) are among my favorite adult games. And I like this game because it is well executed too in terms of the overall story and writing. But when it comes to self inserting, I just think that if you liked to self insert it would be far more appealing to try and self insert in a harem game like this one as opposed to something like pale carnations where 3 of the love interests are whores or good girl gone bad where you play as a woman desperately trying to become the biggest slut imaginable.

When it comes to trying to get people to self insert, I think the contents of the game play a much larger role than things like player choices. And this is also why I think that so many harem manga, light novels, korean pornhwas, chinese Xianxia/Wuxia novels etc that I have read try to appeal to readers who like to self insert despite the fact that they obviously have fixed stories because of the medium they are in.

But maybe I only feel this way because I dont try to self insert.

The next time some schizo melts down in this thread over not being able to rename CJ or that getting abused by his mother ruins his power fantasy, I'll tag you and you can argue with them instead of me.

 

[TD1900]

PC is totally a self-insert game...for TD1900

Counter-point: only like one of the characters is an old lady tho.

 

[Story Anon]

Counter-point: only like one of the characters is an old lady tho.

Whose fault is that?



Gib more Kat

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

PC is totally a self-insert game...for TD1900



The next time some schizo melts down in this thread over not being able to rename CJ or that getting abused by his mother ruins his power fantasy, I'll tag you and you can argue with them instead of me.

This game just attracts more of those types of people because of the content - it is a harem game. And if they have the choice between being able to pick the MC's name vs not being able to do so, they would choose the former option which is why I think they end up making noise.

I dont think a game having a fixed story/characters is enough to classify it as difficult to try and self insert into. Just look at other mediums - pick any harem japanese light novel for example and it is almost a guarantee that it will be a wish fulfillment power fantasy type LN. While not being able to rename CJ might ruin things for some people I still think it is easier to want to self insert and live out your power fantasy in a harem game like this where you have a bunch of supermodels thirsting after your cock and are basically a god when compared to games with lots of choices but have heavier more depressing themes.

Also we are talking about these types of VNs like it is a bad thing - it is definitely not. It all depends on the execution. A well written VN that tries to appeal to self insert types is still a well written VN. And a shit VN that makes you play as a psycho that is impossible to self insert into is still going to be shit.

 

[Story Anon]

This game just attracts more of those types of people because of the content - it is a harem game. And if they have the choice between being able to pick the MC's name vs not being able to do so, they would choose the former option which is why I think they end up making noise.

I dont think a game having a fixed story/characters is enough to classify it as difficult to try and self insert into. Just look at other mediums - pick any harem japanese light novel for example and it is almost a guarantee that it will be a wish fulfillment power fantasy type LN. While not being able to rename CJ might ruin things for some people I still think it is easier to want to self insert and live out your power fantasy in a harem game like this where you have a bunch of supermodels thirsting after your cock and are basically a god when compared to games with lots of choices but have heavier more depressing themes.

Also we are talking about these types of VNs like it is a bad thing - it is definitely not. It all depends on the execution. A well written VN that tries to appeal to self insert types is still a well written VN. And a shit VN that makes you play as a psycho that is impossible to self insert into is still going to be shit.

I think you're confusing the appeal of the premise with the mechanics of self-insertion, which is generally conveyed with choices and consequences based on what the player themselves want.

I write OoT like a television show screenplay, with set characters and the occasional small branch (go look at the people in this thread complaining about their gallery being broken when it turns out they just missed multiple scenes). CJ is a set character with his own personification, rather than someone you can determine the majority of actions of.
This is also foregoing the debate of who is the actual protagonist of OoT.

That's enormously different from something like MNF or WVM where the camera is glued to the faceless protagonist's forehead and you get choices on which lifeless doll you want to scar you for life.

The people who want more of that kind of WEG are the ones who get upset at OoT not being like that.

 

[asmrfan23]

This is also foregoing the debate of who is the actual protagonist of OoT.

No debate, it is Cro

 

[Nennius]

No debate, it is Cro

No it's Jamie

 

[derekthered56]

No it's Jamie
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It's that ball-head guy that occasionally shows up in CJ's visions.

Bold move to not fully introduce the main protagonist for forty chapters but I trust StoryAnon as a writer.

 

[TigerWolfe]

I think you're confusing the appeal of the premise with the mechanics of self-insertion, which is generally conveyed with choices and consequences based on what the player themselves want.

I write OoT like a television show screenplay, with set characters and the occasional small branch (go look at the people in this thread complaining about their gallery being broken when it turns out they just missed multiple scenes). CJ is a set character with his own personification, rather than someone you can determine the majority of actions of.
This is also foregoing the debate of who is the actual protagonist of OoT.

That's enormously different from something like MNF or WVM where the camera is glued to the faceless protagonist's forehead and you get choices on which lifeless doll you want to scar you for life.

The people who want more of that kind of WEG are the ones who get upset at OoT not being like that.

Personally I like your game and their games. But I tend to be a lot less screeching maniac than the most vocal harem fans on these forums.

 

[Lykanz]

No debate, it is Cro

No it's Jamie
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You're both wrong.

The actual protagonist of OoT are the friends we make along the way.

 

[Nennius]

It's that ball-head guy that occasionally shows up in CJ's visions.

Bold move to not fully introduce the main protagonist for forty chapters but I trust StoryAnon as a writer.

Wdym? Ball Head Anon show's up in chapter 9

 

[Jacowboy]

I write OoT like a television show screenplay

Did you ever try to sell the script btw? It would've made for a pretty cool anime.

 

[Story Anon]

Personally I like your game and their games. But I tend to be a lot less screeching maniac than the most vocal harem fans on these forums.

I don't blame anyone for enjoying what they enjoy when it comes to porn, it's not like this is a particularly logical form of media. If your dick says yes and it's not illegal, not a big deal.

I've just had to make it clear in the past that I would much rather jump off a fucking bridge than make MNF or WVM for the people who whine that my game isn't similar enough to those games.

 

[Story Anon]

Did you ever try to sell the script btw? It would've made for a pretty cool anime.

Get someone at Rooster Teeth to play the game. That's how RWBY happened.

 

[derekthered56]

Wdym? Ball Head Anon show's up in chapter 9

Yes but who is he? What's his story?
We've had to spend a lot of time on these random side characters to get the necessary background, so clearly his is an epic journey to need all this build-up.

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

I think you're confusing the appeal of the premise with the mechanics of self-insertion, which is generally conveyed with choices and consequences based on what the player themselves want.

I write OoT like a television show screenplay, with set characters and the occasional small branch (go look at the people in this thread complaining about their gallery being broken when it turns out they just missed multiple scenes). CJ is a set character with his own personification, rather than someone you can determine the majority of actions of.
This is also foregoing the debate of who is the actual protagonist of OoT.

That's enormously different from something like MNF or WVM where the camera is glued to the faceless protagonist's forehead and you get choices on which lifeless doll you want to scar you for life.

The people who want more of that kind of WEG are the ones who get upset at OoT not being like that.

All the games that I would classify as self insert power fantasy type games that I also think are really good are written exactly the way you described where the MC has some sort of personality and there is a proper, well thought out story.

But that being said I have never really been able to self insert into any game/book/whatever so maybe you are right about me confusing the appeal of the premise with the mechanics of self-insertion. Maybe because I do not self insert I have never been annoyed when the MC does something I disagree with but if I were to self insert it would be different.