Overlord H + (Development Thread)

[Winterfire]

Well i entered here hoping that you already started working on it, so its little sad that you dont but i understand that you dont wanna do too many big projects, do take your time, og was first game i played which was made by you and i have really good time with it so i hope remake will be much better. Please tell me how big you plan to do it compared to og? The same amount of content what og had (with maybe changed elf arc, to more canon version) along with expanded content for characters which had it lacking ? Or something in beetwen? Like i will really like some more content for Calca, Remedios and gender swapped Jircniv

It will be bigger than OG, with more content and better graphics. My main objective is having a lot of content for the main cast, without wasting time on minor or even custom characters, that includes gender swapped ones as well.
Instead, the new characters will be the ones existing but that didn't get scenes, such as Edstorm.

Of course the lack of gender swapped Jircniv is just what I have in mind right now, that might change in future once I get around reading the latest volumes. Although I doubt I'd want to go for the same ideas I had four or five years ago, it'll be different in many ways for sure as it'll essentially be a new game.

 

[NoOne666226]

It will be bigger than OG, with more content and better graphics. My main objective is having a lot of content for the main cast, without wasting time on minor or even custom characters, that includes gender swapped ones as well.
Instead, the new characters will be the ones existing but that didn't get scenes, such as Edstorm.

Of course the lack of gender swapped Jircniv is just what I have in mind right now, that might change in future once I get around reading the latest volumes. Although I doubt I'd want to go for the same ideas I had four or five years ago, it'll be different in many ways for sure as it'll essentially be a new game.

Well if you going that way with minor characters i hope you will at least do one scene for Clementine, remedios and Clara, though Edstorm is also interesting characters, maybe also that Red haired adventurer

 

[Winterfire]

Well if you going that way with minor characters i hope you will at least do one scene for Clementine, remedios and Clara, though Edstorm is also interesting characters, maybe also that Red haired adventurer

Clementine is a character I consider as one of the main cast, although the option to kill her (making her an optional one) will be available.

I don't remember those characters too well, but I believe Remedios, Clara and Brita were available in Overlord H? If so, most likely they'll have scenes in this one as well.

 

[NoOne666226]

Clementine is a character I consider as one of the main cast, although the option to kill her (making her an optional one) will be available.

I don't remember those characters too well, but I believe Remedios, Clara and Brita were available in Overlord H? If so, most likely they'll have scenes in this one as well.

I dont remember if Brita had scenes, but rest had one, both are from holy kingdom

 

[bossatroniagods]

I really want a ninya path

 

[Nabsheggahshne]

1. Any rough idea when development would begin?

2. Would Overlord H+ have a shorter playtime than Overlord H?

 

[Winterfire]

1. Any rough idea when development would begin?

2. Would Overlord H+ have a shorter playtime than Overlord H?

1. After Vox Gremory is completed

2. Overlord H+ will be harem only, I am not sure about the total amount playtime of the whole game, but a single playthrough will be longer than Overlord H due to all heroines having scenes.

 

[fool793]

I like the story itself, including how everyone feels when they are NPCs and the ending.
The thinking when they are NPCs make me feel that they are partners of Ainz, instead of programs running the setting.
Besides the wishes mentioned by others which I also like a lot,
there is a wish as below:

Brief introduction of the characters that can be checked during the game might be helpful.
I sometimes can't remember the names or the relationship between the characters, especially the kids.
Maybe some chart like family tree will also helps if it will not cost too much effort.

Thank you for making such great games like Overlord H.

 

[Winterfire]

Small announcement: As I'm nearing the end of the whole document (*With open/unclear ending at the moment), there have been quite a few things that have been changed and reconsidered, but ultimately I tried to keep the "spirit" of Overlord H and what I wished I could have done differently or better. The opening thread hasn't been edited yet, but all of the suggestions have been integrated in a way or another.

Speaking of which, in a few months(+), the document will be completely done (minus the ending) so I'll start production.
Past that point suggestions won't be as likely to get added or considered in some ways (Depending on how complex they are, and how they may conflict with the rest), so if you've some suggestions or things you'd like to see, make sure to post them in time!

 

[billyjoebobmartin]

hmm, how about some bad end routes. like for example as the game starts it goes though the motion of just before he ends up in the new world. and has a few options to pick for albedo's flavor text settings. one of which leading to aldebo going above and beyond renner level yandere to ainz. maybe [crazy in love with ainz] being the flavor text change. with the cannon [is in love with ainz] and maybe some joke option of [is friends with benefits with ainz] which would still lead to cannon path with only minor text differences and more comedy due to slight differences in albedo vs shalchair spats.

but that setting only after being compounded with neglecting albedo leading a bad end where either ainz accepts a life of being chained up in albedo's room or whatever. with the alternative option of being forced to kill her and accepting the long term consequences of one of nazz's biggest assets being lost.

probably more easy bad end routes could be ainz (presumably having never lost shalchair to brainwashing) going into a real fight (not a test the waters psyop like the fall of the kingdom cannon PDL fight) against PDL or one of the other dragon lords and utterly underestimates them. where the player themself had to choose to grossly underestimate them. so another series of bad mistakes compounding into a bad end.

also on a side note, i'd like the name change issue after ainz changes his name to such being explored. if i remember right in canon albedo has at least a bit of an issue with it. and it was ignored in overlordH i think? but anyways, if for example this issue became a crux that made ainz fully realize/clear doubts about albedo and others. and that they aren't fully controlled by their prior settings/flavor text. and then and maybe only then finally fully open his heart to his lovers (if any and whenever this event is placed timeline wise, idk a good spot atm but i assume early on or near scourcer kingdom creation). this could also help with a more natural progression of ainz's maturation into a king/emperor. simply due to having capable wives who took the time to guide him (also a reason why the harem might be encouraged, so that ainz doesn't get too influenced by any one person) to be better as opposed to fake it until you make it hand waving.

but anyways back to the flavor text/settings thing personally i'm partial to the idea of those being ingrained values/habits and are subject to change if the person desires it enough. (fixing habits and values aren't easy for most people after all. lol )

 

[Winterfire]

hmm, how about some bad end routes. like for example as the game starts it goes though the motion of just before he ends up in the new world. and has a few options to pick for albedo's flavor text settings. one of which leading to aldebo going above and beyond renner level yandere to ainz. maybe [crazy in love with ainz] being the flavor text change. with the cannon [is in love with ainz] and maybe some joke option of [is friends with benefits with ainz] which would still lead to cannon path with only minor text differences and more comedy due to slight differences in albedo vs shalchair spats.

but that setting only after being compounded with neglecting albedo leading a bad end where either ainz accepts a life of being chained up in albedo's room or whatever. with the alternative option of being forced to kill her and accepting the long term consequences of one of nazz's biggest assets being lost.

probably more easy bad end routes could be ainz (presumably having never lost shalchair to brainwashing) going into a real fight (not a test the waters psyop like the fall of the kingdom cannon PDL fight) against PDL or one of the other dragon lords and utterly underestimates them. where the player themself had to choose to grossly underestimate them. so another series of bad mistakes compounding into a bad end.

I never put bad end routes in my games, but I do put alternative routes that may be considered "bad" if you're looking for something specific.
For instance in Overlord H you had different choices with Clementine, if you killed her like canon, Shalltear would have the same fate. However, if you spared Clementine, Shalltear would never end up like that and you also got another heroine (Clementine).

There'll be many such choices, some different than Overlord H.

As for Albedo, she is already as Yandere as she can be, but she respects Momonga for staying behind. He's also very powerful, which also helps. She has/will assault him for sure, but it's due to Momonga allowing her to rather than being powerless.
Shalltear would be able to do it, but it would be pretty short lived since the rest of Nazarick would be loyal to Momonga.
Also she (or any other) would never willingly betray the only supreme being who stayed with them.

also on a side note, i'd like the name change issue after ainz changes his name to such being explored. if i remember right in canon albedo has at least a bit of an issue with it. and it was ignored in overlordH i think?

No it wasn't, there was even a whole mirror scene for it. She even continues to use his original name in private if I recall correctly, and only addresses him as Ainz Ooal Gown in the right settings. (That was a neat thing I had decided to add since the canon shows that NPCs are conscious now and can decide for themselves, like Aura did during Shalltear's fight, despite her orders being different).

 

[billyjoebobmartin]

I never put bad end routes in my games, but I do put alternative routes that may be considered "bad" if you're looking for something specific.

not entirely true i think? in vox grem you can already get game overs if losing a battle during a contract. idk about you but i count that as a bad end.

but anyways, i was thinking of those first few ideas with new players who haven't played overlordH nor know the story well enough in mind. something that the occasional noob would stumble into and complain about. in my mind though, there's a big difference between a [git good] problem and a [don't be a total idiot, your choices have consequences] type developments. *shrug*

There'll be many such choices, some different than Overlord H.

good to hear!

As for Albedo, she is already as Yandere as she can be, but she respects Momonga for staying behind. He's also very powerful, which also helps. She has/will assault him for sure, but it's due to Momonga allowing her to rather than being powerless.
Shalltear would be able to do it, but it would be pretty short lived since the rest of Nazarick would be loyal to Momonga.
Also she (or any other) would never willingly betray the only supreme being who stayed with them.

fair, there is a distinction between yandere and outright crazy. though i still think a bad end route with albedo could be possible by driving her insane. hypothetically an insane albedo still retaining some level of calculation could get to ainz when his guard is down. and then it could progress to nazz falling apart once albedo is neuturalized. *shrug*

No it wasn't, there was even a whole mirror scene for it. She even continues to use his original name in private if I recall correctly, and only addresses him as Ainz Ooal Gown in the right settings. (That was a neat thing I had decided to add since the canon shows that NPCs are conscious now and can decide for themselves, like Aura did during Shalltear's fight, despite her orders being different).

tbh while i was typing the message i remembered, but misremembered it thinking it wasn't about the flavor text and name thing but more expositional about the depth of her love and why. the years since last seeing it didn't help either. lol

 

[Winterfire]

not entirely true i think? in vox grem you can already get game overs if losing a battle during a contract. idk about you but i count that as a bad end.

Oh, yeah that happens in Legacy of Hestia as well. However, they're rare and the player is warned ahead of time (with forced autosave), in short the player isn't forced to restart from the very beginning after investing a lot of time.
When there's an investment of time involved, I prefer branching the story as I've done with Overlord H (albeit with a more gray area, and not a distinct "bad route and good route").

 

[billyjoebobmartin]

Oh, yeah that happens in Legacy of Hestia as well. However, they're rare and the player is warned ahead of time (with forced autosave), in short the player isn't forced to restart from the very beginning after investing a lot of time.
When there's an investment of time involved, I prefer branching the story as I've done with Overlord H (albeit with a more gray area, and not a distinct "bad route and good route").

yeah i get that. i think i find story driven bad end routes when backed by good logic as to the whys and hows, to be enjoyable often times when i play a new game off the rip. and it feels like a porn parody of overlord 'should' have the option since it's already a silver spoon power fantasy type story with dark tones. *shrug* i mean we need some counter balance to being able to 'bone' the waifus right?

on the topic of dark tones though any chance you're gonna go farther this time? and this question isn't related to the sexual. but rather will we be able to choose genocide or subjugation? i remember some many months ago i mentioned the idea of being able to take at least 3 different paths with each kingdom/empire/etc. those being something like diplomatic, aggressive, and subversive or something. maybe a sub option of genocide or not could be available too to better add to the replayability. and subversion + genocide is the canon route for the re-estize kingdom or however it was spelled.

that and i think a fun character like juvinc (can't remember spelling, empire leader you had gender bent) would be VERY entertaining to be subversive or outright hostile with.

 

[Winterfire]

yeah i get that. i think i find story driven bad end routes when backed by good logic as to the whys and hows, to be enjoyable often times when i play a new game off the rip. and it feels like a porn parody of overlord 'should' have the option since it's already a silver spoon power fantasy type story with dark tones. *shrug* i mean we need some counter balance to being able to 'bone' the waifus right?

on the topic of dark tones though any chance you're gonna go farther this time? and this question isn't related to the sexual. but rather will we be able to choose genocide or subjugation? i remember some many months ago i mentioned the idea of being able to take at least 3 different paths with each kingdom/empire/etc. those being something like diplomatic, aggressive, and subversive or something. maybe a sub option of genocide or not could be available too to better add to the replayability. and subversion + genocide is the canon route for the re-estize kingdom or however it was spelled.

that and i think a fun character like juvinc (can't remember spelling, empire leader you had gender bent) would be VERY entertaining to be subversive or outright hostile with.

Yes, that'll be part of the "gameplay" bit of the game. I even integrated the adventurer bit, although for different purposes (experience and money), the experience will be mostly used for the wish spell which will be the new way to turn human instead of the ring, meaning that as long aa you have enough experience to spare, you can do more than 3 transformations a day.
(This doesn't include story-scenes that will happen regardless if you have enough experience or not).

 

[billyjoebobmartin]

Yes, that'll be part of the "gameplay" bit of the game. I even integrated the adventurer bit, although for different purposes (experience and money), the experience will be mostly used for the wish spell which will be the new way to turn human instead of the ring, meaning that as long aa you have enough experience to spare, you can do more than 3 transformations a day.
(This doesn't include story-scenes that will happen regardless if you have enough experience or not).

hmm exp for lewds eh, sounds grindy. to me at least grind is one of those elements that deters replayability. and imo the grind present in vox grem's first two mini games pushed me past my limits. so i hope it's not even close to something like that level. (yes i remember you mentioning missing EXP due to battle cuts back before you added battles, no that isn't enough imo. my autism won't allow me to easily progress without maxing the stats... and if/when i do push past that i get frustrated later at myself for having done so. so in short it's hell for me. and replayablity is very low to nil if i ever lose an early game max stats save i made.)

what will the money be used for?

 

[Winterfire]

hmm exp for lewds eh, sounds grindy. to me at least grind is one of those elements that deters replayability. and imo the grind present in vox grem's first two mini games pushed me past my limits. so i hope it's not even close to something like that level. (yes i remember you mentioning missing EXP due to battle cuts back before you added battles, no that isn't enough imo. my autism won't allow me to easily progress without maxing the stats... and if/when i do push past that i get frustrated later at myself for having done so. so in short it's hell for me. and replayablity is very low to nil if i ever lose an early game max stats save i made.)

what will the money be used for?

For the things you've also suggested I believe, building and expanding the kingdom. As for the experience, that'll be used only for side scenes and won't lock out of the main storyine. It shouldn't be too hard to get experience, there'll be many opportunities to earn experience (with adventurer quests being the least amount of exp).

 

[Look-see]

the more time passes the more i would like for Renner and Enri to have a route. mostly cause it looks like theres not going to be another game of Overlord any time soon so it would just be nice is all. aside from that no idea what else i can think of.

 

[Winterfire]

the more time passes the more i would like for Renner and Enri to have a route. mostly cause it looks like theres not going to be another game of Overlord any time soon so it would just be nice is all. aside from that no idea what else i can think of.

Not quite, I know I've not been posting much about the other projects, but they do exist:


Enri/Renner will be getting their own games as promised, and they're a little more far ahead than Overlord H+ (Temporary title for the main games), the main games don't have any asset yet (aside from a few sprites), but their documents are almost done.
However the side games have already some test levels done, the screenshot above for example is to test the alchemy table/storage/inventory (which doesn't exist yet).

I'll be releasing all the Overlord related games during the same period, same concept as this:

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Since I release monthly, should an update for the main games require more time (say an extra month) I'll be helping myself by releasing one of the side games instead, since they take less time to make especially when I am fully focusing on Overlord (Right now, all of this is made on the free time left from Vox Gremory).

 

[NezabudimNeprostim]

hey, just wanted to add that the whole yggdrassil reveal and then basically instant ascension to godhood is such an anticlimactic way of ending the thing, so I just hope you at least make an alternative route.
Also, wanted to say that I am surprised by how accurate your game is regarding the known facts in the novel, there are only few mistakes here and there which shows your dedication. really is the best fanfic game I have played, hope you will redo it so its even more polished!