Unity Overlord H Plus [R1] [Winterfire]

[devour empress dra]

That's a decision the writer made. And it was a bad one. I'm allowed to criticize it. It's not real life. He could have wrote it out easily too maybe making it break due to a particularly traumatic event such as the loss of a pleides.

yeah he came close to blowing his identity as momon when evil eye injured entoma cause his rage was overwhelming the attempts of the aura to calm him down so if any of them died (even if if they can be resurrected for some gold) he probably would have broken that aura completely

 

[Crazy_Chameleon]

yeah he came close to blowing his identity as momon when evil eye injured entoma cause his rage was overwhelming the attempts of the aura to calm him down so if any of them died (even if if they can be resurrected for some gold) he probably would have broken that aura completely

Yeah was funny how he's like supposed to be emotionally stunted by his wage slavedness and undeadedness but then stuff like THAT happens. Sometimes I think the writer really didn't know what he wanted to do with Ainz. Half of the stuff he does doesn't seem to really even make sense or be self conflicting. And not interesting self conflicting. Bad writing self conflicting.

Clementine was also an extremely valuable card to just waste when he had her right where he wanted her. Guess those guys she killed reminded him too much of his buds and that touched a nerve. So much for emotionally suppressed lol.

You know whats' actually funny I'm almost 100% sure that the whole reason he wrote in the 'emotional suppression' was because he initially had a feeling of lust for Albedo which bizzarely insinuates that even his boney body had a means of acting on that lust. But he couldn't think of one good god damn reason why Ainz wouldn't immediately tap the asses of half the guardians. So he had to write that in for things to make sense. But leave it open for that to be removed later.

It's kinda just .. all over the place.

 

[JamesWinchester25]

Yeah was funny how he's like supposed to be emotionally stunted by his wage slavedness and undeadedness but then stuff like THAT happens. Sometimes I think the writer really didn't know what he wanted to do with Ainz. Half of the stuff he does doesn't seem to really even make sense or be self conflicting. And not interesting self conflicting. Bad writing self conflicting.

Clementine was also an extremely valuable card to just waste when he had her right where he wanted her. Guess those guys she killed reminded him too much of his buds and that touched a nerve. So much for emotionally suppressed lol.

You know whats' actually funny I'm almost 100% sure that the whole reason he wrote in the 'emotional suppression' was because he initially had a feeling of lust for Albedo which bizzarely insinuates that even his boney body had a means of acting on that lust. But he couldn't think of one good god damn reason why Ainz wouldn't immediately tap the asses of half the guardians. So he had to write that in for things to make sense. But leave it open for that to be removed later.

It's kinda just .. all over the place.

I actually like the inconsistency of him showing emotions. Rather than a switch, there is continuous process of dissociating from his humanity. sometimes he is cruel and calculated and sometime his humanity seeps through or he is caught off-guard and isn't sure which side of him he should listen to and it gives like an element of surprise to either and thus he is not 100% predictable <3

 

[Crazy_Chameleon]

Well i'm glad it worked for you. But to me it just meant that I was never really sure who he was. And it felt like he was a sycophant to his sycophants because doing what they approved of was the one constant thread to his actions.

 

[Boomshockalocka]

Interesting, I look forward to where you take this!

One thing to be careful with is that branching timelines often become hellish in developement time.

 

[Winterfire]

Interesting, I look forward to where you take this!

One thing to be careful with is that branching timelines often become hellish in developement time.

That's okay, I have a Game Design Document (For the old one), and the great majority of the main choices are featured in my previous game which is already completed. All of the new choices (and changes) are in a separate document, but I can easily join them together.

I always begin every project of mine with a solid plan which allows me to complete the project in a reasonable amount of time.

 

[Urk]

That's a decision the writer made. And it was a bad one. I'm allowed to criticize it. It's not real life. He could have wrote it out easily too maybe making it break due to a particularly traumatic event such as the loss of a pleides.

I haven't read all that has been published, nor do i want to be spoiled, i expect the suppression to be explained eventually, and it is at least coherent to not really be able to keep your mind intact if your body is so alien to what your original mind is. If anything its weird that you can have MC behaving like normal humans even though they are Undead in other manga/anime, it is a cool factor that he's suffering the very fact that he is undead. So i can't even criticize the writer for that, since its a logical outcome from the situation he created. If anything those brushes with brutal realism in a fantasy setting is one of the things that make Overlord so good.

 

[Urk]

Well i'm glad it worked for you. But to me it just meant that I was never really sure who he was. And it felt like he was a sycophant to his sycophants because doing what they approved of was the one constant thread to his actions.

He's afraid they will rebel, remember momonga is ultra conservative for PvP. And he is the "aloof MC" anyway so it doesn't take much to nudge him in any direction as long as the "people" he cares about are good. And as JamesWinchester said, he progressively became less human and the only emotions that could really move him as you mention are the memories of this comrades those would be the last to go from his humanity since they are the most important to him and the denizens of Nazarik are the physical representation/mementos of this cherished comrades.

I know a lot of people prefer a super self assured MC, but most media has that and its not realistic even, so Overlord is quite refreshing.

 

[Winterfire]

i expect the suppression to be explained eventually

There's nothing to be explained really, beyond what volume 1 says and the prologue side story.

Overlord is heavily based on D&D, and an easy way to roleplay a human turning undead is to basically act as a sociopath.
or to use a more contemporary example outside of D&D, it's much like someone losing their soul in Supernatural tv show, if you've watched it.
Doesn't necessarily translate to you turning evil, especially if you get to keep your human memories, but Ainz while human wasn't really "good" to begin with.

It's basically just a passive effect of being undead.

 

[mariaformes]

Who the fuck is "Peperoncino"?

Who the fuck is "Peperoncino"?

He creater The vampire little girl, member of the nazarick

 

[Edorath]

I mean the reason he didn't do more good things is because he's suppressed and forced to not feel anything, even at the very beginning he remarks it as strange that he's not feeling anything even after seeing the brutality around him, only his rationality makes him do "good" things like saving some people, but he is actually undead and unfeeling so morality goes out the window to a very large extend, he's a human mind, with human morality actually trapped in an undead body. If he were to feel what he would normally as a human then he would've put a stop to the atrocities as soon as he knew of them, in fact even as a suppressed undead lord he's still putting a stop to cruelty whenever he can, as long as it doesn't conflict with his "might makes right" mentality, now unleashed due to the Undead Suppression to be more and more ruthless over time.

actually no, the evileye what if story had him keep some of his humanity anyways, so it's been less about his undeadhood supressing his humanity and more him going down the slippery slope after being given absolute power and being surrounded by people that expect and actively encourage him to be like that.

 

[devour empress dra]

actually no, the evileye what if story had him keep some of his humanity anyways, so it's been less about his undeadhood supressing his humanity and more him going down the slippery slope after being given absolute power and being surrounded by people that expect and actively encourage him to be like that.

which is exactly what crazy chameleon was saying about how his subordinates (especially demiurge) were actually calling the shots cause he was so afraid they would turn on him if they knew who he was

 

[Crazy_Chameleon]

I also object to the idea that emotion alone is what keeps us human. Like the loss of his sensitive side immediately made him not only callous but stupidly callous.

Regardless an improved spin off overlord game with better graphics and even more freedom to choose is something I can get behind. I'm looking forward to seeing what sort of alt world shenanigans I can pull.

 

[DickKingLoL]

I really home author drops new novels before you get caught up to the end of current content tho, i think 2 more novels

 

[Winterfire]

I really home author drops new novels before you get caught up to the end of current content tho, i think 2 more novels

It's okay either way, this is just a smaller project because my patrons were interested in it. I have planned a much bigger Overlord game after I complete my main project (Vox Gremory), by then I have no doubts the novels will be completed.

 

[DickKingLoL]

It's okay either way, this is just a smaller project because my patrons were interested in it. I have planned a much bigger Overlord game after I complete my main project (Vox Gremory), by then I have no doubts the novels will be completed.

eyy, will be looking forward to it, good luck

 

[Weisskralle]

the thing is there actually is a series that proves your point all too well
that time i got reincarnated as a slime every move rimuru makes is to make the lives of him, his friends, and his allies better and even completely ignoring the godlike power he ends up with his nation has the single highest military might in that entire world and the few rulers that dont like him cant do anything about it cause they would not only be fighting the nation of tempest butt also several other powerful nations that rimuru formed bonds with the leaders of so if the rulers who didnt like him tried to attack they would have no allies going up against him

The thing is, Rimuru is to a degree also a people pleaser, and a central point is that he didn't want to be the leader nor have the responsibility which was thrown on him. But not unlike Ainz, he can't say no under certain circumstances. Where it differs, Rimuru don't budge on his Morals for that, or not all that much as for his friends he would ignore some of them.

 

[theantimark]

+1

 

[Weisskralle]

Aye i've seen slime anime. But that still does kinda have the problem that his subordinates dickride him a bit too hard lol. But still I would agree that Rimuru is 100% a more compelling, likeable and relatable character than Ains. Even when he does fucked up shit you can see the actions coming from who he is and his principles. With Ainz it just kinda feels like he's just doing what he thinks is expected of him. I could understand that a bit at the start. But as the anime went on I kept waiting for this to come into question. Or for Ainz's character to develop .. It never ever did.

And yeah it's ofc fine if he stays evil mate I just wanted to give an example of how the characters intent matters a lot. Even if the actions are the same. I guess I just want him to actually BE a badass sometimes instead of just trying to make sure he appears infallible to demiurge or whatever.

With Ainz it just kinda feels like he's just doing what he thinks is expected of him

So like how Rimuru does certain stuff, like being a leader of a Nation, which he didn't want, but was thrown on him, and he couldn't say no, because of his backstory of being also somewhat a corporate Japaneses worker, and being generally a nice guy. The biggest difference would be starting values and morals.

And the overall stories have different genre/premises to an extent.

It would have been so much more interesting if he'd taken his new lease on life as a permission to rebel against that

Sadly, there isn't really a catalyst in the OG story for that, unlike in the Alternative Story with Keno. But one could write an alternative where another NPC or Player exist that is that catalyst for that change.

Or for Ainz's character to develop

He does have character development just in the negative, as he falls further and further and starts to believe more and more his lie of him being the OVERLORD, which is the name and somewhat the premise. Him becoming the mask he wears. Him losing himself, about performative evil becoming real evil. Becoming the Overlord he at the start plays as.



Not to say that alternatives, AU's aren't interesting. They can be, a reason why I love the alternate stories with Keno Fasris Invern. And some of the many fan fictions. But what I don't get is to deny others not wishing for the same changes in the story as one self, and then also claim that if someone says that they are lying. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I can say I find both, the canon story and the Alternative of you interesting.
And I can still enjoy both, while still pointing out why the other would require more change to characters and premise of the story.

As for the conflict of needing to persuade the NPC's of Momonga values, there would need to be a fundamental change in how the NPC's work. As how the system works in the Story, there would't really be all that much conflict, as they see him as a Supreme being, and will do everything in their power to follow his commands. (Conflict could arise via misunderstanding if Momonga can't communicate it correctly right away.) (Also would it be correct to still call the story Overlord with all these changes )

Again, the Alternative Story you suggest could be very interesting if done right, but that would change the premise quite a bit. And because of all the possibilities of the choices and changes in the story, it would be quite hard to fully incorporate into a game. So I think that premise would fit more in a Fanfiction.

That's a decision the writer made. And it was a bad one. I'm allowed to criticize it. It's not real life. He could have wrote it out easily too maybe making it break due to a particularly traumatic event such as the loss of a pleides.

Pretty sure people would have gone for his head if he had killed the pleides off.

And if you're telling me that angle wouldn't have been more interesting than what actually happened I won't believe you

That's a decision the writer made. And it was a bad one.

And it more and more just looks like you didn't want to have Overlord but a different Story, which just so happen to have the same character names and setting. Which again is fine to have, but claiming that these things would 100% make it better (for everyone) while demanding fundamentally rewrite of the entire narrative.



But what I ultimately want to say with all this, is that maybe a Parody Porn game isn't exactly the right game to put it on top of the OG story. (As that could lead to huge choice branches and with that could more than double the work required, on the lowest end.[Disclaimer: if the choices are being done to have meaning full changes])

TLDR: I agree with you that it could be interesting, but that would not be Overlord anymore but a very different Alternative Universe. Which isn't exactly the scope of this game, I imagine. (Albeit it being also an AU, just one that tires to still be somewhat Overlord)

Cheers. Have a wonderful day ヾ(￣▽￣) Bye~Bye~. (Why does this emoticon remind me of Rimuru lol.)

[I am not great with words o((>ω< ))o. Or explaining stuff. But to clerify one thing with being (or not being) overlord I mean the overall premise, better said the premise I see in it.]

 

[Weisskralle]

Wasn't aware that pubic hair may be gross for some people, but now that I know, I'll consider re-rendering alternatives and let players choose, or make an equal number of scenes and make it clear which one has pubic hair and which one has not.
It shouldn't be a too big of a deal, I just can't promise it for every character as I may need to visually show that some characters are indeed adults to abide to the rules of this platform and any other platform that hosts my projects.

What about an "unofficial" patch?