VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Maverick369]

You will have to wait as it will take two years to complete My understanding is that there is going to be multiple endings presented in epilogues after chapter 5

 

[kirkkis]

Unbelievable work by the devs, this is definitely the top game at the moment on F95 for me.

 

[Mattrox]

This has been a really great game. Story is entertaining and the characters are pretty engaging. I really like the thought that we are still only surface level with most of the people. To many games have predictable characters who are going to do and act exactly how they speak. I am half convinced all of the characters are running some kind of scam against each other and the MC.

Think Mina is my favorite, she also has what could become the biggest shift. From being just the sweet bubbly girl into something far darker. Like if I had a scene that I wanted to see most it would be her and Hana. With Mina going full on sadist mode. Kind of flip that preconceived notion of the tough as nails rocker being the more aggressive of the two. Hana all hog tied up and Mina just going completely full on out

 

[Nulldev]

I mean as i see it on the front page theres no ways to download just the updates, i have to download the entire game each time there's an update?

Usually that's the mode with these games. A few developer cut their games to bigger parts that can played separately.

 

[fetishgirl]

Wow what an update. I wanted to keep quiet until I had a better idea of what secrets the rest of the main love interests were hiding.

My favorite characters as of this update.

1.Kathleen
2.Felicia
3.Mina
4.Hana
5.Veronica
6.Rosalind
7.Sophia
8.Dalia
9.Mc
10.Victoria (Mc's mother)

This update made me change the rankings a lot. Crazy that Rosalind ended up being so low for me. In terms of attractiveness I place Veronica 1st and Rosalind 2nd. However given how story centric games like this are, personality and fetishes play a huge role in attractiveness as well. Goes to show how much I am enjoying the story and the writing. If Rosalind was in another game she would be easy number one for me.

Spoilers from here on out explaining my feelings on my top 10.

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Those are my current thoughts so far I hope everyone is enjoying the new year so far and best of luck to the devs going forward.

 

[trauts]

looks like there's a typo in ch3up3

 

[Turret]

Since fetishgirl made such a nice ranking of her favourite characters, I think I should follow her example. Here are my favourtie characters of Pale Carnations as for the current Chapter 3 update 3. Ranking combines several aspects, e.g. Veronica´s attractiveness is higher than her combined place and can change with the next update, depending what will happen. No ranking for the MC, because every player plays differently and sees different things in him.

Female Cast

1) Hana/Felicia
2) Mina
3) Rosalind
4) Kathleen
5) Veronica/Victoria(her being more plot device, so "just" honourable mentioned)
6) Sophia
7) Lucy
8) Dalia
9) Harper
10) Jerrika

Male Cast

1) August
2) Killian
3) Sora
4) Jacob
5) Chuck
6) Otto
7) Abel
8) Spider
9) Sam
10) Warren

More on the why these ranking came to be, tomorrow or over the weekend.

 

[SanaeS]

I'll join the ranking squad

Female characters

1) Kathleen
2) Veronica
3) Hana
4) Rosalind
5) Victoria

Male characters
1) MC
2) Killian
3) Chuck
4) August
5) Samson

 

[selberdreher]

TL;DR: Victoria will have sex scenes, not necessarily incest related. Part 1 of 2

i would like to add a few thoughts to Alfius and Maverick369s discussion from a few posts above, personally i think they both have very valid points.

... in My humble opinion something has to happen to destroy the Mc belief in his mother so he loses that function of her as a moral compass. I honestly could not think of anything that was that dark and depraved other than him having sex with his mom. That combined with kathleans sadistic nature was the only thing I could think of. I also believe Kathleen wants his full sadistic nature to be unleashed and by the end some pretty nasty stuff is going to have to occur.

There is no incest in the game and I honestly do not see any incest happening in the future. (Unless something drastically change)
The MC does have a mother in this game, but there is no sexual desires/tensions etc. between them.

The general theme and genre of the game is very dark, so I guess it's not outside of the realm of possibility that incest might occur in some kinda fucked up forced way.

Regarding the incest matter i mostly agree with both of them, that it would require to be forced upon Edwin or after he was totally mentally broken for some reasons.

There is also a unlikely but not totally unreasonable third option mentioned by

Well, him compulsively watching a porno starring his mom doesn't really clarify the situation in that regard

, which could indicate a deep, hidden desire within Edwin and he covers and rationializes it with compassion and love for his mother, because he isnt aware of it himself.

Part 1 of 2

 

[Moonis]

There is also a unlikely, but not totally unreasonable third option mentioned, which could indicate a deep, hidden desire within Edwin and he covers and rationalizes it with compassion and love for his mother, because he isn't aware of it himself.

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[selberdreher]

TL;DR: Victoria will have sex scenes, not necessarily incest related. Part 2 of 2

However lets steer away from the incest and look at some other scenarios regarding Edwins Mother:

It will depend a bit on how you play your MC, but i think there is indeed a quite high possibility that we eventually see Victoria involved in sex that doesnt only happen in Pornvideos from the past.

Infact with her Porn Background she is a very easy Prey, because although Edwin knows about it, she doesnt know that he knows: blackmailing her into sex and/or other stuff should be rather easy, if someone threatens to expose her.
So Why should someone try to blackmail her?
The reasoning behind it would be prominently that Victoria is Edwins biggest weakness, anybody who would try to gain leverage or an advantage over Edwin would rather target Victoria than him.
Of course pure horniness or perversion or sadistic impulses would work also to a lesser degree as motives.

i think there are primarily three contenders, who could make this happen: Kathleen (ofc), "Uncle" Chuck and Killian.

Lets start with Killian:
he is a horndog and he has obviously a thing for Victoria, who is on the one hand more a like a mother to him than his real one, but on the other hand he fucked his nanny, who took care of him as child, without remorse, since she was "just an employee". Killian has quite a few character flaws, but perhaps his ugliest would be that he treats people he doesnt respect like playthings. As long as he holds Victoria in high regard she should be rather safe from his whims, but this could drastically change, if he should ever get his hands on those videos.
Nonetheless i think he is overall the weakest contender of the three to make it happen.

Regarding Chuck and Kathleen:
Kathleen has a Coup d Etat in the making, so there will be a big power struggle in the club with lots of scheming.
Nominally there are 2 Factions:
Kathleen allied with Abel and Sophia VS August and Chuck
Since August and Chuck are at the moment unaware of Kathleens plans they are not allied.
Killian would side with Chuck since he will inherit his uncle share of the club.
Hana hates Kathleen, she will begrudgingly ally with her old man, and in my playthrough Edwin is Hanas (not-boy) friend.

Chuck:
He is a pervert, has high interest in playing strategic games, doesnt like to loose, plays the long game. A real wildcard.
i dont think he would be a natural ally to August, he could as well try to stay neutral until he is forced to join a side, or side with the expected winning side, or even try to form his own faction and oust the other twos.
Victoria and Chuck seem to share a certain past, he could have brought her into the pornbiz, if so he has definetly material to blackmail her.
if he thinks Edwin could be of assistance in this power-struggle he could play this card to gain leverage.
or if he think it could be interesting or funny he could play the videos in Killian hands, to see how it plays out.
Chuck is really hard to assess in that matter.

Kathleen:
She knows of Victorias past since at least Edwin confessed to Hana after the pool party that his mother was in porn, which she taped with the security cams. But since she vetted Victoria thoroughly i totally expect her that she already knew all along. (*Edit: Kathleen tells Edwin about his Mothers PornCareer in the car scene, before the Lucy - Veronica competition for carnation slot3.)
She views (at least in my Playthrough) Edwin as a capable asset.
Having Edwin on her side would strengthen her attack and weaken her opponents. She could also try to take him out of the equation. Having access to the Bimbo-Drug would make Edwin extremly vulnerable should she ever decide to try it on Victoria.
or because she seeks revenge on Edwin, or she wants to break him to unleash the monster in him, or just because she is a sadist who revels in the pain of others.
In my opinion Kathleen is the strongest contender to make Victoria sex scenes available.

Again: Victoria is Edwins biggest weakness, anybody who would try to gain leverage or an advantage over Edwin would rather target his Mother than him.
And a sex club which exploits its victims weaknesses by forcing them into degrading acts of all kind, would surely target Victoria in a similar way.

Your thoughts?

Part 2/2: Why Victoria will have Sex Scenes, ofc depending on your Playthrough

 

[Alfius]

Oooohhh!! Nice lists.

So mine is as follows: In brackets is movement since last update.
Possible romance with the MC does play a role on my list.
Female Cast
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1) Mina (+1)

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2) Hanna (-1)

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3) Felicia (+2)

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4) Veronica (-)

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5) Rosalind (-2)

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6) Harper (-)

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7) Harper (-)

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8) Kathleen (-)

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9) Lucy (-)

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10) Sophia(-)

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Male Cast I will sub-divide in 3 sections (Good, In between, bad) and rate accordingly
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Good
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1) Jacob(-)

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2) Spider(-)

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In between
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3) Edwin (My playthrough)

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4) Killian

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Bad
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5) August (+1)

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6) Abel(+1)

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7) Chuck(-2)

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8) Samson (-)

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9) Isaak (-)

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10) Warren(-)

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[Idontplay]

Am I the only one who is tired of all these questions about a hypothetical future incest pact?
There are plenty of games in which you can dream to fuck your mothers, let to the other people the chance to play a game without it!

 

[Alfius]

TL;DR: Victoria will have sex scenes, not necessarily incest related. Part 2 of 2

However lets steer away from the incest and look at some other scenarios regarding Edwins Mother:

It will depend a bit on how you play your MC, but i think there is indeed a quite high possibility that we eventually see Victoria involved in sex that doesnt only happen in Pornvideos from the past.

Infact with her Porn Background she is a very easy Prey, because although Edwin knows about it, she doesnt know that he knows: blackmailing her into sex and/or other stuff should be rather easy, if someone threatens to expose her.
So Why should someone try to blackmail her?
The reasoning behind it would be prominently that Victoria is Edwins biggest weakness, anybody who would try to gain leverage or an advantage over Edwin would rather target Victoria than him.
Of course pure horniness or perversion or sadistic impulses would work also to a lesser degree as motives.

i think there are primarily three contenders, who could make this happen: Kathleen (ofc), "Uncle" Chuck and Killian.

Lets start with Killian:
he is a horndog and he has obviously a thing for Victoria, who is on the one hand more a like a mother to him than his real one, but on the other hand he fucked his nanny, who took care of him as child, without remorse, since she was "just an employee". Killian has quite a few character flaws, but perhaps his ugliest would be that he treats people he doesnt respect like playthings. As long as he holds Victoria in high regard she should be rather safe from his whims, but this could drastically change, if he should ever get his hands on those videos.
Nonetheless i think he is overall the weakest contender of the three to make it happen.

Regarding Chuck and Kathleen:
Kathleen has a Coup d Etat in the making, so there will be a big power struggle in the club with lots of scheming.
Nominally there are 2 Factions:
Kathleen allied with Abel and Sophia VS August and Chuck
Since August and Chuck are at the moment unaware of Kathleens plans they are not allied.
Killian would side with Chuck since he will inherit his uncle share of the club.
Hana hates Kathleen, she will begrudgingly ally with her old man, and in my playthrough Edwin is Hanas (not-boy) friend.

Chuck:
He is a pervert, has high interest in playing strategic games, doesnt like to loose, plays the long game. A real wildcard.
i dont think he would be a natural ally to August, he could as well try to stay neutral until he is forced to join a side, or side with the expected winning side, or even try to form his own faction and oust the other twos.
Victoria and Chuck seem to share a certain past, he could have brought her into the pornbiz, if so he has definetly material to blackmail her.
if he thinks Edwin could be of assistance in this power-struggle he could play this card to gain leverage.
or if he think it could be interesting or funny he could play the videos in Killian hands, to see how it plays out.
Chuck is really hard to assess in that matter.

Kathleen:
She knows of Victorias past since at least Edwin confessed to Hana after the pool party that his mother was in porn, which she taped with the security cams. But since she vetted Victoria thoroughly i totally expect her that she already knew all along. (*Edit: Kathleen tells Edwin about his Mothers PornCareer in the car scene, before the Lucy - Veronica competition for carnation slot3.)
She views (at least in my Playthrough) Edwin as a capable asset.
Having Edwin on her side would strengthen her attack and weaken her opponents. She could also try to take him out of the equation. Having access to the Bimbo-Drug would make Edwin extremly vulnerable should she ever decide to try it on Victoria.
or because she seeks revenge on Edwin, or she wants to break him to unleash the monster in him, or just because she is a sadist who revels in the pain of others.
In my opinion Kathleen is the strongest contender to make Victoria sex scenes available.

Again: Victoria is Edwins biggest weakness, anybody who would try to gain leverage or an advantage over Edwin would rather target his Mother than him.
And a sex club which exploits its victims weaknesses by forcing them into degrading acts of all kind, would surely target Victoria in a similar way.

Your thoughts?

Part 2/2: Why Victoria will have Sex Scenes, ofc depending on your Playthrough

I still don't think the game will go there, BUT I like your way of thinking, if it were to happen.
Very plausible.

 

[Alfius]

Am I the only one who is tired of all these questions about a hypothetical future incest pact?
There are plenty of games in which you can dream to fuck your mothers, let to the other people the chance to play a game without it!

For the record, I don't think it will happen and do not really want it to happen either.

But's its fun to speculate about future plotlines in the game, while we wait for the next update. I don't think the Devs of this game would alter their story based on any posts on here. They seem to have a very clear grasp of where they are going with the game, so there's really no harm done in speculating. (IMO)

 

[Nulldev]

Damn, I need to replay it, I didn't notice why Chuck is so bad now by everybody standard.

BTW It's Mina fault, can't remember too much except her

 

[Maverick369]

for me it is not that I want to see Victoria do her son. It is more of trying to figure out what is the switch going to be to make Edwin flip. The only thing is his mom leading to the speculation of how are they going to destroy his mom. I do agree they are going to have to break the mom sexually meaning there is something in her past, maybe videos he hasn’t seen that are more degrading or she ends up participating at one of the events as a special. I don’t know but know that they have confirmed that Victoria will be having sex but no incest. That hints that she probably will be blackmailed into the club given the drug and then get Used. That would trigger Edwin’s complete and utter pathway into debauchery. Even worse is if he finds out that being in porn was something she actually loved and it wasnt degrading to her. That would flip his mind out but that could also be accomplished as well if the outtakes demonstrated that as well. There are many ways to go with this. Either it looks like Victoria will be having sex. Food for thought what if chuck is edwins real dad. Wouldn’t that throw for a lop. How about this one edwin and Ian agree to swap mothers and do it at the club. Just my thoughts.

 

[Maverick369]

Or they could get her the vault make her a test subject, give edwin the drug with only her and him in the room. That is one twisted way it could happen. Or the real way I’m starting to see it they get her into the club, give the drug, put her in bondage with a hood over Face, then gangbang with Edwin watching her enjoying everything. they then take hood off exposing her in front of Edwin. That would be enough of a traumatic event to break him.

 

[Maverick369]

Can you show me the tdlr that your quoting about sex

 

[Maverick369]

Furthermore I do believe the way the game is going will have Edwin partner with the Sophia, Kathleen, Abel faction and that he will assist in developing the drug. I do believe that sophia is going to off Abel leaving her in charge with mc playing a bigger role in drug development. I bet one of the possible endings could have Edwin marry Sophia.