VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[lustforsex]

What Edwin is going through with Victoria can be simply described as cognitive dissonance. He wants to get to the bottom of why and what prompted Victoria to go into the sex industry and has even started to believe that his behavior as a child is the reason. At the same time, he is afraid that his image of her sacrifice will fall apart (when she was filming before meeting Donovan) and most likely is afraid to see her happy expression on her first shoot with Donovan.

What's also important is that Edwin now wants to know what made Victoria try to confess her past. He doesn't know it yet, but it's safe to assume that Victoria chose not to betray Ian when faced with two options (giving in to Grace's blackmail and betraying Ian, or telling Edwin about her past upfront so Grace wouldn't have power over her), and that says a lot about Victoria. Although, that could just be the tip of the iceberg compared to what happened between Vicky and Chuck, who knows.
It will also be interesting to see what Ian will do when he finds out that his mother tried to blackmail Victoria.

The scene below shows that Edwin hopes that Vicky won't tell him, but his expression tells a different story (or I'm just imagining things):

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I want to say on my own behalf that I think deleting the videos at the end of the last episode was not the best decision. Of course, many people live by the principle "Ignorance is bliss" and perhaps deleting the videos is a good option for them. As for me, no matter which way (Sadistic or "Saint") you play the game, this choice is not for me in both cases. Earlier, Edwin promised himself that at some point he would have a heart-to-heart talk with Victoria and only then would he put an end to this and never watch the videos with her again. Edwin always tries to get to the bottom of things, even if the case itself seems absurd. That moment has not yet arrived.

 

[ffive]

That's the bait guy. He's... obsessive. Be weary of newly created accounts with new posts.

You know you've made it when you get your own psycho fan. I mean, how many game threads around here get cursed blessed with that level of dedication.

 

[Simpgor]

I want to say on my own behalf that I think deleting the videos at the end of the last episode was not the best decision. Of course, many people live by the principle "Ignorance is bliss" and perhaps deleting the videos is a good option for them. As for me, no matter which way (Sadistic or "Saint") you play the game, this choice is not for me in both cases. Earlier, Edwin promised himself that at some point he would have a heart-to-heart talk with Victoria and only then would he put an end to this and never watch the videos with her again. Edwin always tries to get to the bottom of things, even if the case itself seems absurd. That moment has not yet arrived.

The only reason I think that deleting the videos is objectively the "better/not bad/good path/anti Kathleen path" is because its not an ignorance is bliss situation for Edwin that exists solely for the PLAYER.

Edwin has watched the videos (some at least) for over a decade, before he joined the club he was literally sitting in his apartment on a normal day watching them (and saying how often/long he's been doing it), the video (we saw last time) was not blurred for him especially after he meets with the person who produced/shot it. Even beyond that there is absolutely no reason to keep the videos, are they required to have a conversation with Victoria? Is he unable to talk to the porn producer again without them? Are they somehow (but Edwin has missed it for a decade) the key to connecting chuck to all this? Even if Edwin chooses to resolve everything that can still be done without having decades old .avi files of the porn in question

Edit: also you could do a simialr blurring (or not show them to people who delete) for any future Victoria scenes so it wouldn't even be wasting time in a creative sense.

 

[lustforsex]

The only reason I think that deleting the videos is objectively the "better/not bad/good path/anti Kathleen path" is because its not an ignorance is bliss situation for Edwin that exists solely for the PLAYER.

Edwin has watched the videos (some at least) for over a decade, before he joined the club he was literally sitting in his apartment on a normal day watching them (and saying how often/long he's been doing it), the video (we saw last time) was not blurred for him especially after he meets with the person who produced/shot it. Even beyond that there is absolutely no reason to keep the videos, are they required to have a conversation with Victoria? Is he unable to talk to the porn producer again without them? Are they somehow (but Edwin has missed it for a decade) the key to connecting chuck to all this? Even if Edwin chooses to resolve everything that can still be done without having decades old .avi files of the porn in question

Edit: also you could do a simialr blurring (or not show them to people who delete) for any future Victoria scenes so it wouldn't even be wasting time in a creative sense.

You may be right about the choice to delete the videos or not, but that would be kind of... boring? Doing that ending just to please overly sensitive players sounds like flushing a cliffhanger down the toilet.

To be honest, I don't remember the information about Edwin watching these videos for over a decade. I myself am curious at what age Edwin started to withdraw into himself in high school and if it has anything to do with what Victoria did in the past. Before or after.

The video stops being blurry probably because Edwin is approaching the stage where reality will come into contact with his beliefs. As for watching the videos, he has justified it more than once by saying that he doesn't want to look down on other people, because his mother did the same thing. At the end of the episode, before deciding whether to delete the videos or not, he wondered what prompted Vicky to confess to the past and this video popped up in his head

 

[Simpgor]

You may be right about the choice to delete the videos or not, but that would be kind of... boring? Doing that ending just to please overly sensitive players sounds like flushing a cliffhanger down the toilet.

To be honest, I don't remember the information about Edwin watching these videos for over a decade. I myself am curious at what age Edwin started to withdraw into himself in high school and if it has anything to do with what Victoria did in the past. Before or after.

The video stops being blurry probably because Edwin is approaching the stage where reality will come into contact with his beliefs. As for watching the videos, he has justified it more than once by saying that he doesn't want to look down on other people, because his mother did the same thing. At the end of the episode, before deciding whether to delete the videos or not, he wondered what prompted Vicky to confess to the past and this video popped up in his head

1. It's not ending though? In my game Edwin deleted the videos but him and Victoria are still going to talk about it same as if you keep them? Are you planning on telling her Edwin is keeping her tapes?

2. He confessed to Hana (in the violet/purple room?) that he found them "while a teenager" and considering he is in his early 20s it would be about 10 years since he found the first video, its unlikely that the porn made him "withdraw" because the firestarter/sticky fingers/voyeur event takes place before that and its how his mother feels/reacts to that "makes him withrdaw" (more accurately stop being a violent misbehaved shit).

3. Uh no...... the video is blurry only for the player..... if it was blurry for Edwin why would he tell himself to repeatedly not think about the producer guy fucking Victoria? Or possibly freak out should he call him "son"? The whole update is playing one (or maybe two) "Victoria scene" its just split into parts for the player..... again tapes that Edwin has had for YEARS

Unless I misunderstand you are saying something like this?
Edwin finds "blurry" tape (he can see it normally) at "teenage" (13-19)
Edwin watches the tape (and others) a whole lot between then and the start of the game
Edwin has forgotten or "blurred" the tape in his head in the past few months?
Edwin needs to keep the tape to unblur the traumatic thing in his head? Despite the fact that he cant be blocking it out because of previous points

 

[GamingSavant]

You may be right about the choice to delete the videos or not, but that would be kind of... boring? Doing that ending just to please overly sensitive players sounds like flushing a cliffhanger down the toilet.

To be honest, I don't remember the information about Edwin watching these videos for over a decade. I myself am curious at what age Edwin started to withdraw into himself in high school and if it has anything to do with what Victoria did in the past. Before or after.

The video stops being blurry probably because Edwin is approaching the stage where reality will come into contact with his beliefs. As for watching the videos, he has justified it more than once by saying that he doesn't want to look down on other people, because his mother did the same thing. At the end of the episode, before deciding whether to delete the videos or not, he wondered what prompted Vicky to confess to the past and this video popped up in his head

If I had to venture a guess, Chuck took advantage of her as part of an agreement for something. Chuck doesn't want to just force bad things onto women he sees as outlets of pleasure, he wants to lord over them. Like with Sophie, Abel taunts him in that he could just give her for a week, no strings attached, but Chuck doesn't want that. He wants to thoroughly beat her in Chess, show he's better than her, before taking her.

The most disturbing thing is Chuck seems to be able to completely separate his desires with his social graces with other people. I think he genuinely likes Edwin and sees part of himself in him, it just happens that he got a taste of Victoria first.

 

[Simpgor]

If I had to venture a guess, Chuck took advantage of her as part of an agreement for something. Chuck doesn't want to just force bad things onto women he sees as outlets of pleasure, he wants to lord over them. Like with Sophie, Abel taunts him in that he could just give her for a week, no strings attached, but Chuck doesn't want that. He wants to thoroughly beat her in Chess, show he's better than her, before taking her.

The most disturbing thing is Chuck seems to be able to completely separate his desires with his social graces with other people. I think he genuinely likes Edwin and sees part of himself in him, it just happens that he got a taste of Victoria first.

I would be shocked if that isnt what happend, its almost outright confirmed with the flashback to the scene showing the security camera (chuck loves watching) but not who is behind it (financially or literally), combined with the fact that Charles told Grace "everything" and she is calling her whore etc I dont see many other things that fit all 3 things (who was watching, who would tell grace, what could Victoria have done to be a whore in her eyes).

Big agree on the last paragraph and it goes way way beyond just separating them from the social situation, he is able to more or less completely ignore/suppress/not act on his plentiful urges even when Sophie's bullshit magic perfume is in play (one of the reasons she says chuck is legitimately frightening). I could easily see him having done stuff with Victoria both before he met and during Edwin's HS years, without a hint of maliciousness towards Edwin.

 

[lustforsex]

1. It's not ending though? In my game Edwin deleted the videos but him and Victoria are still going to talk about it same as if you keep them? Are you planning on telling her Edwin is keeping her tapes?

2. He confessed to Hana (in the violet/purple room?) that he found them "while a teenager" and considering he is in his early 20s it would be about 10 years since he found the first video, its unlikely that the porn made him "withdraw" because the firestarter/sticky fingers/voyeur event takes place before that and its how his mother feels/reacts to that "makes him withrdaw" (more accurately stop being a violent misbehaved shit).

3. Uh no...... the video is blurry only for the player..... if it was blurry for Edwin why would he tell himself to repeatedly not think about the producer guy fucking Victoria? Or possibly freak out should he call him "son"? The whole update is playing one (or maybe two) "Victoria scene" its just split into parts for the player..... again tapes that Edwin has had for YEARS

Unless I misunderstand you are saying something like this?
Edwin finds "blurry" tape (he can see it normally) at "teenage" (13-19)
Edwin watches the tape (and others) a whole lot between then and the start of the game
Edwin has forgotten or "blurred" the tape in his head in the past few months?
Edwin needs to keep the tape to unblur the traumatic thing in his head? Despite the fact that he cant be blocking it out because of previous points

Just for the player?

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He has these tapes, but he most likely watched them once and that is the reason why he does not remember them well. But those tapes that were before meeting Donovan, he watched regularly, because it fits with his beliefs.

While a teenager =/= Over a decade. Are you saying he saw first video when he was 11 or 12? I think you need more specifics, otherwise your memory may be a little blurry

 

[lustforsex]

If I had to venture a guess, Chuck took advantage of her as part of an agreement for something. Chuck doesn't want to just force bad things onto women he sees as outlets of pleasure, he wants to lord over them. Like with Sophie, Abel taunts him in that he could just give her for a week, no strings attached, but Chuck doesn't want that. He wants to thoroughly beat her in Chess, show he's better than her, before taking her.

The most disturbing thing is Chuck seems to be able to completely separate his desires with his social graces with other people. I think he genuinely likes Edwin and sees part of himself in him, it just happens that he got a taste of Victoria first.

I thought about that too. The question is, will Edwin turn a blind eye to it? No matter how well Chuck treats him now, it will fade into the background if Edwin finds out what happened in the past. If anything serious happened at all.

But that's just speculation, so...

 

[ffive]

3. Uh no...... the video is blurry only for the player..... if it was blurry for Edwin why would he tell himself to repeatedly not think about the producer guy fucking Victoria? Or possibly freak out should he call him "son"? The whole update is playing one (or maybe two) "Victoria scene" its just split into parts for the player..... again tapes that Edwin has had for YEARS

Pretty sure the blurry thing is a hint of mental block/denial Edwin has for that particular video. He does it, (sub)consciously because the image of Victoria actually clearly enjoying that fuck doesn't match with the narrative he's built up in his head to deal with the fact his mom was doing porn. He tells himself it was just sacrifice she made to ensure his well-being, and not something she could possibly like in the slightest.

He probably also avoided watching that video again for this very reason, so his memory of it may be literally quite blurry after all the time has passed, especially with all the effort not to remember it.

 

[housekinokuni1974]

Just had my 1st big moment with Hana, thats what i call a pay off.
Dunno what will be their next game but knowing they've already succeed with thematics which are not especially my things at first, i couldnt imagine what will be with a set up of my liking from the start.

 

[The Senior Perv]

Dev Diary 97

Hello all, TD here, and so is Summer!

All told, the update sits at 1,931 statics, 50 animations, and 40,384 words.

That amounts to 200 statics even, 7 animations, and 3,631 words over the past three weeks.

Honestly, not our proudest report. That is well below our weekly average. Work's been getting done, but little hiccups have added up.

For transparency, GIL and I work closely. I write every day, give GIL a script in the morning, and he hands me a batch of images a night. I usually keep a few days ahead, in case I get writer's block or some of my weekly obligations get in the way. It's not a long rope, but we find it’s the sweet point for on-the-fly adjustments and two-way creative input.

This dev cycle, we found ourselves a bit out of sync for a better part of a week and some change. I could never get quite ahead. Some of it was the usual friction (work-related snafus, reshoots, HS Studio being a bitch), but there was also quite a few half days that GIL didn't have a solid script to work on for various reasons that is the fault of my own.

Thankfully, we found our rhythm over the last week, but we nevertheless feel guilty about it. Especially with so much of the update still left in front of us.

The good news is, we're about to close out the final major scene of Exhibition 3's free roam. Anyone wanting a continuation of the Lucy stuff from Felicia's art exhibition will only have to wait for this update. GIL made most of the animations months ago, in one of his lust-demon fugue states. That always entails quality, but I of course had to put my grubby mark on it too. It’s at 10 total animations (more than our report because a lot of it was counted months ago when he made it) and will have another couple by the time we finish tomorrow. For those not interested in the school teacher, there are other ways to wrap up the free roam. I believe I mentioned Hana and Kat in previous diaries.

After that, we have a big scene to kick off the decadent evening and we’ll finally be onto the exhibition proper. I’ll leave the details of that for later.

Thank you all for your support. We will continue to try our best living up to your patience and generosity.

 

[TD1900]

SeñorPerv, fastest man in the West.
Sometimes I think I wouldn't be able to post it faster if I tried.
(One time it took you like an hour or two and I thought you died.)

 

[GamingSavant]

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Dev Diary 97

Hello all, TD here, and so is Summer!

All told, the update sits at 1,931 statics, 50 animations, and 40,384 words.

That amounts to 200 statics even, 7 animations, and 3,631 words over the past three weeks.

Honestly, not our proudest report. That is well below our weekly average. Work's been getting done, but little hiccups have added up.

For transparency, GIL and I work closely. I write every day, give GIL a script in the morning, and he hands me a batch of images a night. I usually keep a few days ahead, in case I get writer's block or some of my weekly obligations get in the way. It's not a long rope, but we find it’s the sweet point for on-the-fly adjustments and two-way creative input.

This dev cycle, we found ourselves a bit out of sync for a better part of a week and some change. I could never get quite ahead. Some of it was the usual friction (work-related snafus, reshoots, HS Studio being a bitch), but there was also quite a few half days that GIL didn't have a solid script to work on for various reasons that is the fault of my own.

Thankfully, we found our rhythm over the last week, but we nevertheless feel guilty about it. Especially with so much of the update still left in front of us.

The good news is, we're about to close out the final major scene of Exhibition 3's free roam. Anyone wanting a continuation of the Lucy stuff from Felicia's art exhibition will only have to wait for this update. GIL made most of the animations months ago, in one of his lust-demon fugue states. That always entails quality, but I of course had to put my grubby mark on it too. It’s at 10 total animations (more than our report because a lot of it was counted months ago when he made it) and will have another couple by the time we finish tomorrow. For those not interested in the school teacher, there are other ways to wrap up the free roam. I believe I mentioned Hana and Kat in previous diaries.

After that, we have a big scene to kick off the decadent evening and we’ll finally be onto the exhibition proper. I’ll leave the details of that for later.

Thank you all for your support. We will continue to try our best living up to your patience and generosity.

Let's be honest, the main highlight is gonna be Elias seeing his wife get dicked on stage by "Charles Bukowski"

 

[Simpgor]

Pretty sure the blurry thing is a hint of mental block/denial Edwin has for that particular video. He does it, (sub)consciously because the image of Victoria actually clearly enjoying that fuck doesn't match with the narrative he's built up in his head to deal with the fact his mom was doing porn. He tells himself it was just sacrifice she made to ensure his well-being, and not something she could possibly like in the slightest.

He probably also avoided watching that video again for this very reason, so his memory of it may be literally quite blurry after all the time has passed, especially with all the effort not to remember it.

Even if the part of her enjoying it is blurry the rest isnt so he remembers 90% of the tape?

Or the studio shot one that was literally just casting couch but never progressed to fucking and thats the one Edwin remembers?

While a teenager =/= Over a decade. Are you saying he saw first video when he was 11 or 12? I think you need more specifics, otherwise your memory may be a little blurry

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The CDC clearly exists in universe and everyone clearly knows PC takes place in Maryland so one could use CDC (official government body) rules to define Edwin (an American) as a teen at 12 so askually yes he could have got them at midnight on his 12th birthday and since we are past his birthday now it would be over 10 years



(I just didnt want to type 5-9 years earlier)

 

[bonerland]

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Dev Diary 97

Hello all, TD here, and so is Summer!

All told, the update sits at 1,931 statics, 50 animations, and 40,384 words.

That amounts to 200 statics even, 7 animations, and 3,631 words over the past three weeks.

Honestly, not our proudest report. That is well below our weekly average. Work's been getting done, but little hiccups have added up.

For transparency, GIL and I work closely. I write every day, give GIL a script in the morning, and he hands me a batch of images a night. I usually keep a few days ahead, in case I get writer's block or some of my weekly obligations get in the way. It's not a long rope, but we find it’s the sweet point for on-the-fly adjustments and two-way creative input.

This dev cycle, we found ourselves a bit out of sync for a better part of a week and some change. I could never get quite ahead. Some of it was the usual friction (work-related snafus, reshoots, HS Studio being a bitch), but there was also quite a few half days that GIL didn't have a solid script to work on for various reasons that is the fault of my own.

Thankfully, we found our rhythm over the last week, but we nevertheless feel guilty about it. Especially with so much of the update still left in front of us.

The good news is, we're about to close out the final major scene of Exhibition 3's free roam. Anyone wanting a continuation of the Lucy stuff from Felicia's art exhibition will only have to wait for this update. GIL made most of the animations months ago, in one of his lust-demon fugue states. That always entails quality, but I of course had to put my grubby mark on it too. It’s at 10 total animations (more than our report because a lot of it was counted months ago when he made it) and will have another couple by the time we finish tomorrow. For those not interested in the school teacher, there are other ways to wrap up the free roam. I believe I mentioned Hana and Kat in previous diaries.

After that, we have a big scene to kick off the decadent evening and we’ll finally be onto the exhibition proper. I’ll leave the details of that for later.

Thank you all for your support. We will continue to try our best living up to your patience and generosity.

Always a good time when Lucy gets more content. Hopefully Andrea and Harper join in too.

 

[Kiyah]

Sooo... new here, came for the size, the plot has me quite interested (even if it reminds me of a south-american endless drama series in some parts, the limited cast lets me stay focused). First of all, great cast, I can appreciate the effort in making each character unique not only in the model design, but in the personality we get to see during the game.

Regarding the blurry images for the MC's mother videos, I believe he doesn't remember the men in the videos. His scab-scratching self-flagelation comes mostly from his mother and what she does for him, something quite masterfully implemented in Rosalind's similar situation.

What I'm curious about is how Week 3 Exhibition will turn out for Felicia.

Mmmm unlikely, the theme is Hell Week, and the paint seems to be a red herring... What pinged my attention here is that Kathleen seems to be "about to retire" (I get a quite strong feeling she is grooming the MC as her replacement), dunno if her interest will rotate to be a regular expectator... or even a participant (she gives me the vibes of a bored psychopath, even if she has some short-lived reactions to the most extreme humiliations the MC gives her while dressed as a cop), and there's the german pharmaceutist with his blondie "mechanical" dragon (as in, personal assistant and overcompetent protector)... My worry is how the history will present this without "burning" the Carnation club down, should the guest decide to... remove the source of his humilliation.

Also, I'm curious about how Kathleen will hide Edwind and the guest from each other until the last moment. Masks, blindfolds, "initiations" (imagine Felicia knowing but the other side don't... unless she makes a noise!) in obscure lodges...

I think if we are playing as an asshole MC, he should harsher to his mom, tell her she didn't do it for him, she did it because she liked it or something. Him instantly forgiving her makes total sense for a nicer guy run, but a full on dickhead run, it seems out of character, I think he would be more bitter.

Why? Even assholes can be tender to someone, specially if they see that someone as a tragic figure that has suffered to prevent them from that.
Also, he doesn't read as "bitter" with Victoria as much as angry with the ones that caused her falling there. Mind you, I think Dr. Chuck may suffer an accident along the line, should the story reveal that Victoria end recording those tapes as payment for Chuck's help (directly or not).

Ok, I'm fine with it causing a rift between MC and Killian, there are a lot of story opportunities there. In fact, considering that MC was the one who kept bullies from bothering Killian, him trying to beat him up would be an interesting thing. Also, the MC could remind him that she's his mother, not Killian, etc etc. Play him really bitter and angry.

I don't think so, this becomes too forced in other parts of the story: Edwin is there because Killian missed him, and asked Dr Chuck to induct him in the club, and while Killian had (and still has) a crush on Victoria (considering she and his mother may well be the only MILFs he hasn't made a move on, it would seem he has Victoria on top of an adoring pedestal, the same way he sees his mother as an annoyance at best), the ramifications would be too chaotic and risky for the cohesion of the story.

Unless I misunderstand you are saying something like this?
Edwin finds "blurry" tape (he can see it normally) at "teenage" (13-19)
Edwin watches the tape (and others) a whole lot between then and the start of the game
Edwin has forgotten or "blurred" the tape in his head in the past few months?
Edwin needs to keep the tape to unblur the traumatic thing in his head? Despite the fact that he cant be blocking it out because of previous points

I believe the "blurry" part would be the male leads, he seems the type to be obsessed with the self-flagelation of watching only Victoria, as some sort of penance to lessen the guilt for never noticing before and the sacrifice (at least he seems to portray it as such) Victoria made.

You may be right about the choice to delete the videos or not, but that would be kind of... boring? Doing that ending just to please overly sensitive players sounds like flushing a cliffhanger down the toilet.

Considering how... accesible Edwin's Loft is, I wouldn't be surprised if the videos resurface later for some reason (even if we deleted them, there would be other copies, and considering how Dr Chuck told his sister about Victoria's extra job, I doubt he doesn't have a complete series). Considering Kathleen's goading of the MC and how she enjoys his bouts of sadism, I find more than possible she will use the tapes against him. After all, Edwin seems as much as part of the Carnation's exhibit as the girls!

 

[Kameri]

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Dev Diary 97

Hello all, TD here, and so is Summer!

All told, the update sits at 1,931 statics, 50 animations, and 40,384 words.

That amounts to 200 statics even, 7 animations, and 3,631 words over the past three weeks.

Honestly, not our proudest report. That is well below our weekly average. Work's been getting done, but little hiccups have added up.

For transparency, GIL and I work closely. I write every day, give GIL a script in the morning, and he hands me a batch of images a night. I usually keep a few days ahead, in case I get writer's block or some of my weekly obligations get in the way. It's not a long rope, but we find it’s the sweet point for on-the-fly adjustments and two-way creative input.

This dev cycle, we found ourselves a bit out of sync for a better part of a week and some change. I could never get quite ahead. Some of it was the usual friction (work-related snafus, reshoots, HS Studio being a bitch), but there was also quite a few half days that GIL didn't have a solid script to work on for various reasons that is the fault of my own.

Thankfully, we found our rhythm over the last week, but we nevertheless feel guilty about it. Especially with so much of the update still left in front of us.

The good news is, we're about to close out the final major scene of Exhibition 3's free roam. Anyone wanting a continuation of the Lucy stuff from Felicia's art exhibition will only have to wait for this update. GIL made most of the animations months ago, in one of his lust-demon fugue states. That always entails quality, but I of course had to put my grubby mark on it too. It’s at 10 total animations (more than our report because a lot of it was counted months ago when he made it) and will have another couple by the time we finish tomorrow. For those not interested in the school teacher, there are other ways to wrap up the free roam. I believe I mentioned Hana and Kat in previous diaries.

After that, we have a big scene to kick off the decadent evening and we’ll finally be onto the exhibition proper. I’ll leave the details of that for later.

Thank you all for your support. We will continue to try our best living up to your patience and generosity.

Damn Lucy looking good

 

[lustforsex]

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The CDC clearly exists in universe and everyone clearly knows PC takes place in Maryland so one could use CDC (official government body) rules to define Edwin (an American) as a teen at 12 so askually yes he could have got them at midnight on his 12th birthday and since we are past his birthday now it would be over 10 years

(I just didnt want to type 5-9 years earlier)

I just thought I missed or forgot the part where we find out the exact time when Edwin finds the first video with Vicky, but other than "during puberty" I didn't find anything specific. Such a turn of events at 11-12 years old will probably leave an imprint for life. In this case, Edwin is still holding up well.

In short, I think it's time to end this topic, I don't think others like to read it

 

[GamingSavant]

I just thought I missed or forgot the part where we find out the exact time when Edwin finds the first video with Vicky, but other than "during puberty" I didn't find anything specific. Such a turn of events at 11-12 years old will probably leave an imprint for life. In this case, Edwin is still holding up well.

In short, I think it's time to end this topic, I don't think others like to read it

As Hana would say: "EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWUGH!"