VN - Ren'Py - Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

This is really well done! Easily one of the best games I've played here.
The constant sexual tension throughout this game is just nuts.

The excellent build up is rewarded by equally satisfying h scenes. You usually only get one or the other - or none of it - in other games.

A big thank you to the dev team!
This will be one of my all time favorites.

This guy definitely studies Literature, or at least he's quite the poet. Using plosives, fricatives, imagery, synaesthesia and even other underrated literary devices, he delivers the lines perfectly.

Looking forward to seeing how this story ends. I've gone to from touching my dick to savoring each line. Amazing.

Pros:

- Graphics are unique, and facial expressions as well as body language are micro-managed and specifically detailed to the letter
- Game actually has fitting music
- Characters have depth, and each with their own lives that can feel realistic (despite the bizarre setting)
- Good English, did I mention how grateful I am for this?
- Meaningful choices and not the false sense of choice most games out there give

Cons:

- If you're not into NTR/Swinging, I wouldn't recommend this, the problem with this game is that the characters are all mature, and the setting of the entire game is set in this extremely dystopian world divorced from your average wholesome and rose-tinted world - ironically, this makes it more realistic than ever, especially given our current depraved society. However, because the characters are so well fleshed out, and the graphics and events are so well crafted, I can't help but fall in love with them, despite the fact that there is that itching feeling of disgust at the back of my head for some of these characters. I don't know, it's a strange feeling. I would usually avoid any kind of game that has to do with sharing/training the characters to serve other men, but for some reason, I don't mind doing so in this game. Paradoxically, I try my best to not get too attached to any of them, at the same time, I can't help but be so. Anyway, play at your own risk.

- Incomplete. A lot of good games get abandoned, but we'll see.

An excellent game with the right blend of sex and story that keeps things moving along at a good pace yet still good for an isolated wank. I look forward to each release. Devs are doing a bang up job.

I held off on this gem for a very long time purely due to the Honey Select graphics but in a fit of boredom gave it a go.

Wow! What a game!
I consider myself a fairly open minded and jaded pervert sophisticated person but some of these perversions had me taking notes. There is a lot more nuance to the main characters than many games and the plot is fairly original.

Give it a go, the graphics style grows on you and the rest of the game is a masterpiece.

I'm eagerly awaiting more...

Excellent visuals and storytelling combined with a solid soundtrack. Characters are well designed and interesting and there is something for everyone. A wide range of fetishes, body types, personalities, and scenarios all fit seamlessly into the in game universe. The game is a ton of fun to play

EDIT: I played the game again. Boy was I wrong. This game is amazing. Edwin is a true alpha male. He's a lady's man. He knows what's up! He is a god among men. I'm so glad I replayed the game. Just goes to show that a little patience goes a long way! What's really cool is that despite Edwin fucking so many women through out his suave life, he's got a really good friend named Killian. Although, Kilian doesn't have as much game as Edwin, but he's a loyal friend. That's so hard to find in life.

This great club recognizes how much of a pimp you are and recruits you, and a bunch of wild stuff happens! Trust me, you'll love this. What's great is that the start of the game even shows your mom there as your support. Like, she really helps you become a strong man who knows how to get the ladies. The best mom.

I need to really reiterate this. What's really convincing is how well it fits that someone like Edwin would be invited to join such a club. It makes PERFECT sense given Edwin's backstory. If you look at all the men working at the club, they're JUST like Edwin in appearance, style and personality. Edwin is a natural fit. It just makes so much damn sense. Good writing like this is so hard to find.

There's a reason why the game has so many positive reviews. My review reflects that momentum of great reviews. The game really hits all the right spots if you're into this content. At least try it if you're on the fence. Even consider supporting the game on patreon. Long live Edwin the sex god!

Story 1/5: Story wants me to believe that a club run by alpha males want Edwin the cuck to join them, but this makes no sense. It would make more sense if the club blackmailed Edwin into working for them, while prostituting out his mother, while the women of the club dominate Edwin sexually. Why? Edwin is a weak fool, no confidence, no game, just a complete and utter failure of a man who doesn't know how to get laid. Perhaps if the game presented itself as a MAN maker simulator. How to convert a pussy into a man, then it would be better.

I may have missed any mention of Edwin having combat experience to knock a guy out during the story? The problem is the dialogue is so boring, you could miss important details. Maybe the story did mention that he knows how to fight, but I missed that part. It's just not believable that this passive mama's boy could knock anyone out.
EDIT: The story does mention he can fight, but it's just not believable this weakling could pull that off. The game should strive to convince you that this failure of a man is somehow capable of combat.

Read on. Killian would've made a much better MC.

Character Development: 0/5 - It makes zero sense that Edwin the cuck could ever manage to get his dick inside a vagina. ZERO, none. It's not believable that this giant failure of a man could ever manage to get laid, unless of course he managed to become a doctor, in which the only reason a woman would let him fuck her, is so she can get his money.

Edwin is a beta male cuck. Here's proof:
- He's a mama's boy. The game shows this in the beginning. He does what his mama tells him like a good boy. That should make him a natural submissive masochist, but the game instead tries to portray him as dominant, but it falls flat completely in that regard. It's simply not believable that this chump could get his dick inside a woman. It makes more sense for him to listen to what women tell him to do. He's a natural submissive.
- In the beginning of the game, it's established that Edwin cannot get laid without his friend Killian. Killian is an alpha male. He knows how to get women. It would make far more sense to play the game as Killian for the dominant path, but make it so choosing to play as Edwin leads to the NTR, Cuck, submissive path, where he constantly gets beat up because he's such a pussy milksop.
- Edwin watches a girl get gangbanged in the beginning on the internet, while sitting at his computer.
- Edwin is such a cuck, that he'll strip down to his underwear, looking like a complete fool, while other men remain more clothed than him. A lot of people don't understand the clothing power dynamic, so this might fly over peoples head. Long story short, Edwin should strive to remain fully clothed during strip poker, while getting everyone else stripped, so the clothing power dynamic remains in his favor. Instead, Killian is the one who wears the pants by the end of the strip poker, because Kilian is the one who knows what's up.

The game should let you chose who you want to play as:
- Edwin: Submissive, cuckold, NTR, masochist path, leading to Edwin getting femdommed by the women.
- Killian: Dominant, alpha male, sadist path, where Killian dominates all the women.

Music 5/5 - Music is top notch and plays at the right time to capture the energy of a scene. Very well done.

Programming 5/5 - The game is technically well made.

Erotic Content 5/5 - The game is rather vanilla, but it does a good job of presenting eroticism with basic vanilla sex scene content. Unfortunately, Edwin's character isn't convincing that he could ever manage to get his dick inside a woman, unless he paid for it. Edwin basically ruined the game for me. Basically, if I could play as Killian, not Edwin, then the entire game would make ten times more sense. The sex scenes are damn good.

The exhibitionism is too controlled. BDSM in uncontrolled areas, like a public nightclub or public bar, is far more exciting. Carnation club is private club. The sex shows are just boring. There's no tension, no conflict. It just happens without any real purpose, so the scene feels empty, but the renders are somewhat erotic, so there's at least that, but you won't get any deep mind fucks here.

There's too much writing in most cases to the point where it kills the erotic momentum. In other words, there will be a few minutes of erotic content, but then a long string of boring text over 20 minutes that kills the erotic mood, then when you finally get to another sex scene, you're bored to death from the dialogue.

I would bump up to five stars if the game either:
A) Let's me play as Killian.
B) Adds a submissive, masochistic, cuckold ,NTR, femdom path for Edwin, so Edwin can realize how pathetic he is and get cheated on, cucked, and eventually his mom ends up working at the club, and he watches her get fucked by better men.

Hear me out. Play the game. Imagine you were Killian, not Edwin. The game would be ten times better. Killian is a lot more fun. Killian is the kind of guy who would do some really really kinky shit to the women. Edwin? Not so much. Edwin would be far better on his knees letting the women piss on him.

I'm not too interested at first because of anime style, but I read a few good review somewhere that this avn is one of the best, so I try it. And I'm glad I did. Here's my review.

* Renders and animations 9/10, one of the best I've seen in anime style, renders are very beautiful and detailed, lots of unique scenery and well done face expressions. Animations improving very smooth at later chapters.

* Story and plot 10/10, story is very good, maybe not for everyone because of prostitution and extreme sexual kink, but it also have very lovely romance plot. The writing is superb and clever, make you thirst for more.

* Character and personality 10/10, very well written, every character is very much alive and like real people, some you'll love, or hate, or take pity so much.

* Lewd scene 9/10, very hot for vanilla scenes, and lots of different kink, even some extreme sexual scenes that I've never seen or think before.

* Gameplay 8/10, there's few free roam, but easy to navigate, and no grinding needed, which is very good.

Cons?
I don't know this is count as cons or not, but the story and characters are so well written, sometime make me feel uneasy and hard to look at when some of the girls experience humiliation scenes, so I said again this avn may not for everyone. But as long as there is no rape or real violence to the girls, it's fine for me.

Overall, this avn is a masterpiece, if you like it, you'll love it. Lastly, it's unfair there are some cheap porn avn with boring story and crap renders get large support than this masterpiece, I hope pale carnations get a lot more support, because the devs clearly deserve it.

I personally did not like the game at all (and stopped playing early on), as the setup and sex acts were too .. violating? unpleasant? for me to enjoy, and the story not interesting enough to continue nevertheless.

I still give it four stars, as I think it is well made; the art, writing and story all seem fine.

So I think the game is for you if you have no issues with really unkind BDSM scenes (and the usual weird HS male models).

There's not an awful lot to add to the praise already given, all of which is abundantly earned. There really aren't more than two, maybe three, other games around here which equal or come close to Pale Carnations and none which betters it.

The significant characters actually feel real, or as real as they can get in games like this, and they're all distict and different, not just slight variations over a theme, as is the norm. That alone is a significant feat.

The dialogue is superb: very well written, realistic, adult and not in the least artificial. It could have been snagged from real life and pasted into the game. That's an incredibly, incredibly rare thing and as much as anything is what keeps me coming back.

The action....well, the action is deliciously depraved and most imaginative. Pretty far out there, but not so far you feel it couldn't possibly happen. Hell, maybe it does - what do I know, sheltered snowflake that I am.

The thing I'm least enamoured with is the male models. The incongruity of the weird euro-japanese faces and their Western names is mentally bothersome and subtracts from the totality. Not to mention that they look really weird, in case I didn't mention that. Oh, and they're generally quite ugly too. The ladies, on the other hand, look just fine and not like some seriously unfortunate mix of ethnicities.

Despite said weirdness this is very obviously worth five stars - at least - and I really, REALLY look forward to following the story to its climax.

This game is mind blowingly good. One of the few games here that's so damn professional and deep that I'm probably headed over to Patreon to contribute. The smut is extremely smutty, in a good way, and they've thought of deep details too - like how some women have pussy hair where it makes sense and makes them hotter, instead of slavishly bowing to all the porn victims who demand hairless barbie everything, something a hair lover like me appreciates. Beyond that, the characters are actual characters, and the story of each of them is something you care about. There's evil, there's good, there's the whole gamut. Try it, then hit up the Patreon, this game and this team are one of the few that really deserve that. Outstanding.

Have you grown tired of the classic dating sim game where hours of gameplay culminates in you "just" fucking the love interest? Are you looking for something more than vanilla sex scenes? Are you worried that you porn game interest is creating a spiraling level of tolerance to lewd content where you need to find increasing and increasingly deviant scenes to get your rocks off?

Well then Pale Carnations is the game for you! You play as a young man starting a new job at a depraved sex club. The game throws you into the action quickly and despite only being a couple hours of gameplay so far, it hits on a wide array of great kins. Heavy heavy submission, humiliation, piss play, and incest to name a few. It may even give you some kinks you didn't even know you had! I have never watched water boarding porn before, but the scene in this game was pretty hot.

It is also a really well made game. Solid writing, believable characters despite the slightly absurd world, and a great branching narrative where you choices have consequence. I usually am not a fan of this engine for animation, however the renders and scenes are gorgeous, I especially love the characters big and innocent eyes.

Jumped near the top of my favorite games in development and I will eagerly await updates.

Good renders, great story, tons of kinky sex acts to see, and great replay value. I like the different paths one can take with all the girls. I honestly don't know how this flew under my radar for so long. Everyone should check this game out!

This game is probably the most underrated god-tier game on the site. It uses an engine that I think we can all agree is sometimes utilized to poor effect. That's not remotely true in this case. This game is well-designed from a coding perspective. It's clean as hell. Great UIs. The profile section is great in that it updates as you go along, foreshadowing what might be ahead. The story is remarkable. Characters feel unique and fleshed out. I feel drawn to them in very real sense because of the story the developer sets up. You get a background. They feel different from each other. You get different things from them. It's a unique story in its overall plot. Decisions can be, at times, limiting, but it's not heavy on it, and you feel you have opportunities to make up for that down the road. Sound is good. It's one of few games I've kept sound on for because this game does a great job of setting an atmosphere. You look at, for example, the rock show. The sound. The transitions. The shaking of the screen to the beat. It feels great! The language used is almost always perfect grammar, which does add a lot and helps build the suspension of disbelief. This game is god-tier and deserves the entire community's support. Congrats to the dev staff here.

I'm hoping this game will live up to a 5 star review, because it really is extremely well made. The story is well crafted, the characters are great and the game is a blast to go through.

I sometimes find it a little unfortunate that so many the best written games on this site are ones with dark undertones. Of course there's nothing wrong with that kind of thing, but as someone who's not always in the mood to sit through that sort of story, it can be annoying, so I put this game off for a while but I wish I hadnt.

The game does a fantastic job of what it tries to do, putting you on the shoes of a reluctant young adult having to do some morally irreprehensible things. The story walks the line between him embracing the depravity and maintaning his humanity, a dynamic that is very well explored by his interactions with Ian.

Ian is probably the most important character in the story, being the trigger for the events of the story and the foil to our player character. The story goes to great lenghts to show him in both good and bad lights, while ultimately leaving it clear that he is an asshole. He's a childish, sadistic, womanizing, cheating cunt, and represents the bottom the player could reach in his new profession. But he's also an incredible friend. He loves to have you around, which is why he gets you to work with him on what he believes to be the best job ever, being both fun and extremely well paid. He can really only be seen as a decent person in the context of your relationship with him and as such, much like the girls, he becomes one of the people the player has to save.

The rest of the people, of course, are the girls involved in the story. The three carnations need saving for obvious reasons (well, 2 of them, at least), whilst Mina may of may not need to be saved from Ian, and Hana may or may not need to be saved from *spoilers*. In contrast to Ian, who needs you to humanize him, the girls need you to prevent their dehumanization, and it's that contrast that gets the moral balance going. Having to both do your job satisfactorily all the while balancing all your relationships, good and bad is what gets the story to flow.

But particuarly great is the game's usage of sex. Naturally, it's a story that could not function without it and as such, it doesn't feel like someone just tacked on porn on a game that would be otherwise devoid of it. The games frames sex in term both of the morality of your actions and of what said actions represent to each character, making the sex scenes actually compeling for the story they represent.

So with only great things to say so far, why do I only hope the game lives up to five stars? Well, because right now the game is writing itself into a corner. One can hope that's done on purpose, to continue building up tension until the great release, but the setting makes a "perfect" path seem impossible to resolve. Only one of the 3 girls can win the exhibition, getting with mina without completely destroying your relations with Ian seems unrealistic and getting with hana seems problematic storywise for a bunch of spoilery reasons. Also particularly terrifying is mother's role to play in what's to come.

These are all just inconcrete worries of course, so I'm still giving the game 5 stars,

This is one of the best adult game I've played and it's not just bald words, because I've played a lot of them, so I have enough material to compare with.

I will try not to bore you with a long review and write down the game's strongest sides, so that you can decide if you are interested in this game.

Story/Characters

Story. The plot is unusual, it wrapping around depraved sex club where girls сompeting with each other for large prize. The prize can be anything they want, because patrons of the club are rich and influential people, so they basically can help almost with every problem. Your character take major role in this club, as personal agent for each girl. who help them stay motivated and achieve their goal and main performer during events. Overall story is intriguing and contain many plot twists.

Characters. One of the main features of the every game in this genre is how well the characters are written with which we will interact along the story. And this is another strongest point of this game. All main characters have different personality, so you won't see the same behaviors and the level of writing makes you believe that they are real. Besides, there is true villains in this game, which can surprise you with their malicious and cunning mind.

5/5

Graphic/Animations

Graphic. Some people disdain Honey Select based games for it old graphic, but this game heavily moded with graphic enchanters, so the renders looks really beautiful. There is variety of girls with which you can interact, they are of different ages: milfs, middle aged, late aged (40-55) young twenty's. Mostly they all have big boobies (not ridiculous size), which is not bad, but small chest girls also deserve some love, you know
Only two main girls looks a bit like a sisters, but overall you unlikely find clones which is plague for the most games based on Honey Select.

Another strongest point of this game, it's attention to the details. All characters have facial expressions, so not only the text give you an idea of how they feel, but the picture as well. More then that, all backgrounds and even the interior of the room received attention from the developers. So when you play this game you should avert your eyes from text and see how the environment is changing during time. The level at which it is executed, in my opinion, should be an example to all developers.

Sex scenes are hot and executed very well. Usually they contain good amount of pictures and 1-2 animations . Most of scenes can surprise the player with their unusual performance.

Animations. Animations were added only recently and the amount quite few, but devs willing to work at this direction and all major scenes are animated now. They not using vanilla HS animations, but make their own which is quite commendable.

5/5

Gameplay

While I don't count visual novels as a real games, because mostly the name talk for itself - it's illustrated books, but if the they have some gameplay mechanics I give them a go.
In this game like in most vn's all gameplay consists of choices, but as I said in previous paragraphs the game has incredible writing and the choices are really matters. They not only give you different experience, but also they can shake your moral compass, so you may find yourself struggling which answer to choose. Besides choices, there is a corruption system for every character including protagonist. In the current version (Ch. 3 Update 1) only MC's corruption fully played off, but I'm sure it's just the beginning and others character will shine later. Some stats like friendship can affect gameplay even now, though. As the devs said they wanted to give player opportunity to choose easily which route they want to play, so you won't need grind anything. There is also useful characters menu where you can track progress with characters.

Usually, when I'm playing vn and the gameplay only consist in choices I'll give it 3/5 which is, lets say, normal. But here, as I said before, choices is well thought out and there is also corruption mechanic, so the combination of this things give it +1 point for the gameplay. The only downside I see for now it's main character attributes which we choose at the beginning of the game. The idea was really good, but for now it barely affect anything in the game. The devs said this attributes has been made to see some variations in scenes and during conversations, but they barely used in the game. IMO if this attributes heavily impact the gameplay, it would encourage players to make multiple playthroughs and make overall experience even more unique.

4/5

I would also like to note one minor detail that not related to the game, but although influenced my attitude towards it. The fact that the developers are active users of this community, who answer all questions and are pleasant to talk to.

And the last, but not least, this devs got my personal sympathy for their consistency of decisions. If they decided to make mother of the MC only plot character, as moral compass, so be it. They also said many times in thread, that they won't change anything in the game, that will go against their vision.
Too many devs changing their story, characters, add or get rid of kinks that were originally planned or not, so they can please crowd. I strongly disagree with such approach. In my believe, game industry, as well as literature or film industry - it's a work of art, the vision of the world by the author. And when the authors give up on their ideas for the sake of crowd, they immediately get into my blacklist. The reason is simple, I want to see personal visions of authors, not some Frankenstein monster made from different opinions, or project which was made only because it's trend now. And I don't want to be hooked by the game at first, just to dissapoint me later, because the dev decided change direction by the pressure. So that's why I really respect the devs of this game.

I'm in no position currently to write the detailed review this game deserves but suffice to say, it's in my top 3 of all time. The devs have wrung out every last drop of potential honey select offers to create something visually captivating.

When married with writing that has very few rivals in the entire industry an exceptional game is indeed what's produced. Every character has real depth, distinctive traits and motivations that make them fascinating and alluring.

All are parts of a plot that's refreshingly original when so many games instead take the safer, more trodden paths available. Truly this is something special, even the UI shows a level of detail that's praiseworthy. It immediately raised my expectations and yet the actual game still blew them away.

One of the most impressive things is the balance present in the gameplay. Choices have weight and make you pause for thought to consider what's best. However, at the same time the devs have tried hard to ensure you're not locked out of sizeable chunks of content due to making certain choices.

In closing I wish the devs significant success in the future, their efforts and talent deserve it.

This is a phenomenal game. The attention to each and everything is astounding. The game checks most all boxes in spectacular way. Beautiful unique models, a fresh and inviting story, choices that do matter but without any grind or other tedious requirements, humor, tender feelings, depravity, lots of fetishes (all erotic and not repulsive), characters with lot of substance, well laid out erotic scenes, animations, and so on.
This is definitely not another run of the mill game producing the stale matter everywhere, this is fresh and unique and freaking great at that. A new addition to one of my favourites and this site's greatest.

First, I want to say I avoided this game for quite a while. Partly because of the tags, the description, and simply just don't have enough time to play all the games I want to. But after I saw all the high amount of 5-star reviews, I was really curious. I am glad I finally played it and wish I didn't wait this long.

If I could describe this game in one word, it would be "polish." The main menu, the UI, the transitions, and so on. It has a presentation that is really nice and has its own style. The images and animations look excellent and the story has a high ratio of images per lines of dialog.

The thing that stuck out the most to me was the writing. There are very few games that are written this great and it has this touch of elegance to it. Something you rarely see. Which seems like an odd combination with the subject matter, but it works exceptionally well together.

This game is definitely not for everyone, but if you are not sensitive to certain subject matters (or tags), I highly suggest checking it out. It's one of my top games on here now. Keep up the great work Mutt & Jeff.

P.S. Hana and Mina are best girls

All right. Just finished Ch. 3 Update 1.

And call me impressed.

First, i am not a fan the s/m plays in every role. So that part i won't say anything. Good thing this game have more than that.

Graphic. Well, everyone has a taste, so if you may not style, but you still would notice hard work for the scenes. 10/10 no doubt.

Sound. Well, pretty standart, but her, not all games even have that.

Characters. All characters pretty unique and established. Each has its own story, So, they are great.

Story. At first i thought that story will be all about sex, but its more interesting that that. MC have inner conflict and damn i love those. Whats right and wrong, resisting corruption. Relathionhsip with other girls in club. his best friend, girlfriend of his best friend.

Great game and i hope it remains it.

The level of polish and attention to detail, in all regards, is incredible. Character models, degree of branching story-line/options, incredible music, and just general little touches everywhere. This sets a new standard for 3D Renpy games.