VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[TD1900]

So on pages 593 and 594, there was a big argument about Veronica that I wanted to delve into. Feel free to look into it or not as I've been slow walking the game for a bit.

What Veronica IS would be a very straightforward, determined, Muscle Mommy. New term for gym nerd. Not always everyone's cup of tea but I'm old and my head is huge. I ain't picky about a Muscle Milf. ... Anyway...

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Now why am I starting in this way if I'm talking about Veronica?

Simply put...

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The point of that small exhibition is to put Veronica in her strongest element and see where she succeeds: Competition.

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I personally think of her as the most humanized of the Carnations. If I wanted to put it reductively, Felicia's a self-aware super ho savant and Rosalind is Mommy Terminator, but we all know people who are so stubborn that they drive themselves into a corner knowingly - albeit, not in a cartoonishly porn game way like here, but still. Plus, on the flip side, it's not an inherently ignoble quality either. Humans all need a measure of self-determination and assuredness in their lives to thrive.

And honestly, her calling Edwin a cockroach is a mark in her favor for me. You could argue it's the keenest observation she has made so far.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

So on pages 593 and 594, there was a big argument about Veronica that I wanted to delve into. Feel free to look into it or not as I've been slow walking the game for a bit.

What Veronica IS would be a very straightforward, determined, Muscle Mommy. New term for gym nerd. Not always everyone's cup of tea but I'm old and my head is huge. I ain't picky about a Muscle Milf. ... Anyway...

Spoiler: A Beginning with a mirror

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Now why am I starting in this way if I'm talking about Veronica?

Simply put...

Spoiler: She's a Force of Nature

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The point of that small exhibition is to put Veronica in her strongest element and see where she succeeds: Competition.

Spoiler: Playing the game

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Well put comrade.

 

[Takkatakka]

So on pages 593 and 594, there was a big argument about Veronica that I wanted to delve into. Feel free to look into it or not as I've been slow walking the game for a bit.

What Veronica IS would be a very straightforward, determined, Muscle Mommy. New term for gym nerd. Not always everyone's cup of tea but I'm old and my head is huge. I ain't picky about a Muscle Milf. ... Anyway...

Spoiler: A Beginning with a mirror

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Now why am I starting in this way if I'm talking about Veronica?

Simply put...

Spoiler: She's a Force of Nature

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The point of that small exhibition is to put Veronica in her strongest element and see where she succeeds: Competition.

Spoiler: Playing the game

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While I concur with a lot here, I think Veronica's determination is nut nearly as unshakable as you describe it to be. I remember multiple scenes in which she seems to doubt her own reason and seems to hint at the fact, that she might actually think that Rosa might need the victory more than herself, which might lead to Veronica's determination to crack at some point.

 

[YuNobi1]

While I concur with a lot here, I think Veronica's determination is nut nearly as unshakable as you describe it to be. I remember multiple scenes in which she seems to doubt her own reason and seems to hint at the fact, that she might actually think that Rosa might need the victory more than herself, which might lead to Veronica's determination to crack at some point.

Right, and at the Week 2 luncheon, MC has the choice to enforce either Veronica's position or her growing belief that Rose should win.

 

[Ungawa]

While I concur with a lot here, I think Veronica's determination is nut nearly as unshakable as you describe it to be. I remember multiple scenes in which she seems to doubt her own reason and seems to hint at the fact, that she might actually think that Rosa might need the victory more than herself, which might lead to Veronica's determination to crack at some point.

This was more a focus on her first impression which is the most lasting. It's also showing that she put on a front which ended up cracking as the newest updates came along. My main focus was that she has no one to bounce a bad idea off of so she has massive blind spots which cause her to pull a Leroy Jenkins. A great strength can also be the massive weakness that pulls you down as Edwin does end up seeing a more vulnerable Veronica given how she tells him her weak point.

And yes, her determination is wavering as she sees everyone as something besides competitors. A real life analogy is with boxers who fought each other in the ring but through that blood bond, they can actually become friends. We don't have that here, but look into Tommy "Hitman" Hearns and Marvin "Marvelous" Hagler who fought for 3 rounds until a knockout and became lifelong friends.

Even a warrior can find allies on the battlefield and the relationships gained through this competition can certainly have lasting effects.

 

[strangelandQQ]

Some thoughts about tags and content
I can imagine working concept of NTR in future updates

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And i also can imagine Harem engding

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I doubt that something like this will happen in the game, but in any case, such options suit the plot and atmosphere, in my opinion.

But i honestly cant imagine incest plot in this game. Its just doesn't fit

 

[Takkatakka]

Some thoughts about tags and content
I can imagine working concept of NTR in future updates

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And i also can imagine Harem engding

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I doubt that something like this will happen in the game, but in any case, such options suit the plot and atmosphere, in my opinion.

But i honestly cant imagine incest plot in this game. Its just doesn't fit

Well...NTR is a bit of a complicated topic around here. TD has already said that all of the LIs (the three Carnations and Hana and Mina as far as we know right now) will have an ending to their paths that will be pretty unique to them, their characters and their situation in life.

So I wouldn't expect like a normal marriage with Rosalind or Felicia for example.

As far as the harem tag is considered: It isn't there for a reason and the game will not have a harem ending, that was pretty clearly written by TD multiple times if I remember correctly (and I probably should bookmark one of his posts regarding this topic for future references at some point ).

 

[Elduriel]

Well...NTR is a bit of a complicated topic around here. TD has already said that all of the LIs (the three Carnations and Hana and Mina as far as we know right now) will have an ending to their paths that will be pretty unique to them, their characters and their situation in life.

So I wouldn't expect like a normal marriage with Rosalind or Felicia for example.

As far as the harem tag is considered: It isn't there for a reason and the game will not have a harem ending, that was pretty clearly written by TD multiple times if I remember correctly (and I probably should bookmark one of his posts regarding this topic for future references at some point ).

yep I can imagine an ending with all of them (depending on your choices)... unless you agree to be with Hana "early" on, then it's locked in unless you cheat on her. I'll play all possible scenarios coz I like all of the girls, but I don't either see a harem ending, it's just not that type of game. Felicia might be a tough one tho, since she is married and doesn't particularly giving off vibes to separate from hubby

 

[Retro Wave]

I personally think of her as the most humanized of the Carnations. If I wanted to put it reductively, Felicia's a self-aware super ho savant and Rosalind is Mommy Terminator, but we all know people who are so stubborn that they drive themselves into a corner knowingly - albeit, not in a cartoonishly porn game way like here, but still. Plus, on the flip side, it's not an inherently ignoble quality either. Humans all need a measure of self-determination and assuredness in their lives to thrive.

I only got to the start of week two before all my saves corrupted... But Mommy Terminator? Not the vibe I picked up from her so far

 

[Ungawa]

I only got to the start of week two before all my saves corrupted... But Mommy Terminator? Not the vibe I picked up from her so far

She's the most perceptive of the 3 Carnations and the one most determined to win at any cost to aid her child.

For all intents and purposes, Rosalind is the one protecting someone. It usually means that she hits that

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when she has an obstacle. She's the quickest to assess a situation and find out just the right amount of sweetness to smooth through it. She certainly has a goal and a focus and nothing is going to stop her from getting to it, not even a 10 toot tall Amazon that got plowed by a sadist with spiders.

 

[Turret]

She's the most perceptive of the 3 Carnations and the one most determined to win at any cost to aid her child.

For all intents and purposes, Rosalind is the one protecting someone. It usually means that she hits that

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when she has an obstacle. She's the quickest to assess a situation and find out just the right amount of sweetness to smooth through it. She certainly has a goal and a focus and nothing is going to stop her from getting to it, not even a 10 toot tall Amazon that got plowed by a sadist with spiders.

A lot of correct observations. Still, when you go by their personalities, the probably best outcome would be a win by Felicia! Feli is actually one of the nicest characters in the cast, winning would give her the own money/influence to save her school, which is the main reason she is at PC in the first place. Felicia also gives, if you choose so, Rosi the money to calm the loan sharks, despite they are competitors. If Feli wins and has halfway good relations with Rosi, I am sure a goodsih Edwin could convince Felicia to give her enough money to get the loan sharks off Rosi´s back. (Rosi might still be "moonlighting" at PC in the future even on a good Edwin run, but that would be Rosi-specific choices)
Maybe Felicia would give Veronika some money to save her gym, but only maybe. Not only is the amount of money needed a lot higher than that for Rosi, Samson has to brought to let his obsession with Veronika go, but the main problem here is that Veronika and Felicia dislike the other. Felicia is a proven nice person, but like with everybody, there are borders how far you go.

 

[Ungawa]

A lot of correct observations. Still, when you go by their personalities, the probably best outcome would be a win by Felicia! Feli is actually one of the nicest characters in the cast, winning would give her the own money/influence to save her school, which is the main reason she is at PC in the first place. Felicia also gives, if you choose so, Rosi the money to calm the loan sharks, despite they are competitors. If Feli wins and has halfway good relations with Rosi, I am sure a goodsih Edwin could convince Felicia to give her enough money to get the loan sharks off Rosi´s back. (Rosi might still be "moonlighting" at PC in the future even on a good Edwin run, but that would be Rosi-specific choices)
Maybe Felicia would give Veronika some money to save her gym, but only maybe. Not only is the amount of money needed a lot higher than that for Rosi, Samson has to brought to let his obsession with Veronika go, but the main problem here is that Veronika and Felicia dislike the other. Felicia is a proven nice person, but like with everybody, there are borders how far you go.

It's certainly part of it, but we do have to look at what the game has given us as a result:

The Rosi deal fell through when you have to pull from club resources to get it resolved ultimately.

Felicia wants power and if she gets into "Da Club" she has social access. But what's the cost? She's a member but you've seen the lion's den she's in. How does SHE utilize what's she's coveted?

What we're seeing is that Felicia might be wanting to do things with her own power, but still relying on others. Sure, she can get Samson to let go of his obsession but it might backfire to targeting her instead. Felicia needs the power (and to an extent, the confidence) to do things herself. Create and build her OWN base, not just a network. She can certainly get away with building a talent agency or art house which could be, but she's looking into a dark void which might not be what she wants in the end. Such is the power of chasing what she perceives as good and easy if she wins.

And Felicia and Veronica certainly start off on the bad foot but seeing as how Felicia would eat that clam chowder if given half a chance right along with Veronica is the largest perv, they have quick ways to amend that bridge.

 

[Ottoeight]

We will see what the Authors have in store for the characters. Whatever it is, I'm sure it will be juicy.

 

[MaxRichard]

I made a Cheat mod for This Masterpiece game and decided to share it. It's based on Scrappy's CheatMod. So thanks for giving me the green-light to use his cheatmod as a base. And Many thanks to wurg for helping and guiding me.

Note: The Cheatmod should work with the future updates, unless the Dev Add or Change variables.

(I tested the cheat mod on the Public update and it works well without any issues.)​

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Does the CheatMod also include a walkthrough? If not, is it compatible with the WT mod linked in the OP?

 

[pinuz1]

While we wait on the next update I want to ask this to all the people reading:

I think it's safe to assume that based on our choices we'll be able to determine which Carnation will win the competition, Who will you give the victory to?

Im like 100% sure I'll make Veronica win, I think she's the one that "deserves" it the most and I do like her quite a bit, my favorites are definitely Mina and Hana, and if I had to choose 1 of the carnations I'd say Felicia is my favorite when it comes to the porn, but she's definitely the one that needs it the least in my opinion, even if she loses she'll live a decent life, the tough choice is between Vero and Rosalind, and I'd agree if someone tells me Rosa needs the money more, problem for me is that she's the girl I like the least, so I think I will try to make Veronica Win.

I'd like to believe the dev will still make out a ending where every girl can be "Happy" even if they lose tho, It'd be soul crushing if they don't.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

While we wait on the next update I want to ask this to all the people reading:

I think it's safe to assume that based on our choices we'll be able to determine which Carnation will win the competition, Who will you give the victory to?

Im like 100% sure I'll make Veronica win, I think she's the one that "deserves" it the most and I do like her quite a bit, my favorites are definitely Mina and Hana, and if I had to choose 1 of the carnations I'd say Felicia is my favorite when it comes to the porn, but she's definitely the one that needs it the least in my opinion, even if she loses she'll live a decent life, the tough choice is between Vero and Rosalind, and I'd agree if someone tells me Rosa needs the money more, problem for me is that she's the girl I like the least, so I think I will try to make Veronica Win.

I'd like to believe the dev will still make out a ending where every girl can be "Happy" even if they lose tho, It'd be soul crushing if they don't.

No cows or amazonion wildlife on my ranch, no sir! Only buxom blondes!

 

[TD1900]

Driving oneself into a corner is arguably a want of purpose. Veronica's the 80s hardbody+tough/dominant anime waifu archetype. For me Hana is the only realistic character. Her straight-edge bullshit genuinely annoys me because I know people like that. And her motivations are intelligible which is probably why they don't seem to trigger as many thesis-length effortposts.

I wasn't using humanized as a 1:1 synonym for realistic there. The whole cast skews larger than life if you put it kindly, and clichéd if you're not. It's a scenario where one of the villains routinely goes "bahahaha." However, I do think each of the heroines have nuggets of relatability, and of Veronica in particular, I find her brand of "unintelligible" motivation to be distinctly sympathetic especially since they're easy to scrutinize - which is what I like to believe is why she's so polarizing in discussions. She's a character that refuses to see reality out of a combination of fear and ego, holds desperately onto the "last thing" she has, and whose identity and self-esteem is wrapped up in unhealthy worldy markers. A lot of we deserve better. That we are better.

None of which is ground breaking stuff that plays against archtype, but I said most humanized (and, of the Carnations).

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

The characters are certainly heightened to some degree, and a modicum of porn logic is necessary if you want a story with good porn, but I reject the premise that any of their actions are unintelligible. Even the ones who I think are being really dumb (Felicia) are acting in ways entirely realistic and consistent with the world that exists around them in the story.

 

[agrdtcwa]

The ugly bastards are the most realistic. Bunch of perverted rich old freaks who screw over girls for their entertainment? Can't get more realistic than that. Join the dark side and screw everyone over.

While we wait on the next update I want to ask this to all the people reading:

I think it's safe to assume that based on our choices we'll be able to determine which Carnation will win the competition, Who will you give the victory to?

I will either make everyone lose or make Rose win. I am most sympathetic towards Rose. Her situation is by far the worst of the bunch. If I had to pick a carnation as the winner it would be her. She stayed in her marriage longer than she should have but when you have kids, you want to desperately avoid divorce for the sake of the kid. I am most sympathetic towards her by a wide margin.

Veronica is there mostly because of her ego. Samson fucked her over but she ended up ruining her marriage and does not know when it is better to quit and move on. I think she has options outside the club but deliberately chooses to cling to her business because of ego rather than desperation.

And I think Felicia is just being stupid. In veronica's case at least it is not fully her fault. Felicia willingly signed up to be a trophy wife to someone who does not give a crap about her and when faced with the consequences of her actions she goes ahead and does something even more stupid. It is like watching someone sabotage their own life.

 

[Ottoeight]

Well, I'm definitely rooting for Rosalind and I'm making her win the "contest" in my saves.

Anyway, I'll tell you that whenever the storyline branches I play every different sub-branch. It is worthwile.