VN - Ren'Py - Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5] [Mutt & Jeff]

  1. 4.00 star(s)

    Éama

    With so many glowing reviews, it's hard to add anything that hasn't been mentioned a hundred times.

    What appeals to me about Pale Carnations the most is simply the good balancing act between a moral perspective and the temptation to lose oneself in sexual obscenity. The game gives a good sense of how decisions change the lives of others for the better and worse, and how a good decision is sometimes seemingly impossible. But it is not afraid to consider human depravity a part of human nature.

    All the characters are well drawn. Sometimes this is also tragic because good characters like Harper, for example, have too few scenes. But I think it definitely speaks for good character design if you are interested in secondary characters.

    But I also want to mention that I am generally not happy with abusive storytelling and Pale Carnations thrives on the back of abusive behavior. I hope that in the future there will be some kind of redemption story, because at this point it's basically a corruption game that aims to slowly break the main LIs for the pleasure of the viewer. And while this is arousing, no doubt, it's also a very sadistic approach to sexuality and intimacy and I would want the option to break free from this inhumane rabbit hole at some point. Or at least to see the horrible scars that such behavior leaves on the human soul.
  2. 4.00 star(s)

    Deleted member 4058859

    [Review as of Ch3 Update 4]

    Pale carnations is a game about a student studying to become a doctor who finds himself employed by a brothel to help out with an event the owners of the brothel are conducting.

    What I liked about the game:

    - The MC's backstory and plot progression: I think the MC's backstory is unique and very well written. The game does a great job describing the MC's relationship with his mother and his childhood friend and the way he acts (his dialogue options, interactions with other characters, goals etc) makes a lot of sense. I also like how the game allows you to either make the MC a relatively good guy who sympathizes with the characters or it lets you make choices that will allow the MC to spiral being a depraved asshole. Both these paths make sense and I like how it is handled.

    - The renders: The game looks great and I feel like there is a lot of effort put into this. There are many hidden details that you may not notice. As an example there was a forum discussion about where the club might be located in the real world - one of the devs then shared screenshots showing the numberplates of random cars in the background which blew my mind. These are not the kind of details I would expect anybody to notice but the fact that the developers have gone the extra mile to add stuff like this is incredible.

    - The bad guys: The game does a great job with the 'bad' guys by showing how twisted some of them are. I like how the game shows the exploitation of some characters. I really dislike Kathleen - the MC's boss and a club owner and characters like Warren - a sadistic bouncer who physically abuses the whores and this is a good thing. It is exactly how I want to feel about the bad guys when playing a game like this. The game would not be nearly as good without characters like them.

    - The MC's relationship/interactions with the various girls: This is another aspect of the game done right - there are a lot of parallels between the MC's mom and one of the carnations. There is some wholesome romance with two of the main girls etc. The game also does a good job showing things like exploitation, how the whores in the club are treated which I really liked.

    What I did not like as much:

    - I am not sold on the motivations of some of the main girls joining the club. Some of the characters motivations (for example Rosalind being in physical danger) make sense and I can empathize with them however others do not (for example Felicia's circumstances suck but I am not convinced with what has been presented so far that her joining the club events is her best option or even a good choice to make her life better). I think the problem here is that I try to put myself in the girls shoes and see if their decision makes sense to me. I weigh the risk vs the reward (risk being 2 of the carnations degrade themselves in public but walk away broken and with nothing) and given the information I have so far, some of the character decisions seem irrational to me and I think this makes me a little less invested with what happens to these characters.

    - The games focus on certain kinks mean that some characters get less attention than others. There is an uneven distribution of content between the main girls where I feel like two characters do not get enough screen time and so they are not as well developed as a result. For example I really like Mina one of the main girls (in fact she is my second favorite among the main cast) but I wish she was more than just the bubbly innocent girl who got cheated on by her boyfriend - not every character needs to have a sob story background, it is ok to be a normal girl and her character development not too bad so far but I still feel like a lot can be done even when you are a normal person - I feel like compared to the carnations, or the MC or even his best friend Ian she is not as well developed simply due to a lack of screen time. This may change however in future updates.

    - This is a bit more subjective but since I am not into sadism or humiliation as a fetish, I did not appreciate things like the club events as much as some others might which may have had an impact on how much I enjoyed playing the game. In the latest update that focuses on a club event, my favorite parts were getting to see the day to day operations with the head whore (Dalia), learning a bit more about side characters and clients (jacob, harper, warren) and getting different characters perspective on various issues. I did not care too much for the event itself or the sex - I was simply not as invested in the whole thing.

    Overall I think this is a great game - somewhere between a 4 and a 4.5 for me and I would recommend it highly.
  3. 5.00 star(s)

    Machete

    Ok, i got to the end of the current release and it's time to dump a review. That's easy. It can't be anything but 5 stars.

    The technical aspect is just flawless. I don't get those who snob HS studio when a dev team can squeeze this level of quality out of it. The only actual limit i see in that software is that it's meant to depict asian people and it clarely shows that when you try to make any other etnicity.

    In this care anyway everything is done to the best. The women are gorgeous, their feature are distinctive, the expressions always extremely well cared and up to the tone of the scene.

    Also the music theme is well selected and it frames every scene perfectly.

    Yet, what makes this game shine is the well written psychological side of the story.

    Every character is well written with layered personalities and complex motivation that run deeper then the mere reason why everyone is there. It succesfully explore what moves every characted deeper on the level of psychological often unrecognized needs to their motive in the story.

    We are light years above the tipical porn game tendency to fit a lady in a framed, often stereotypical, characterization and fetish affiliation.

    This game is enticing, interesting and a pleasant journey of self discovery. It really makes you want to play it for the story and making your own choices for the meainig of it, rather then to pursuit a certain ending.

    It really deserve the fame of one of the best games on this forum.
  4. 4.00 star(s)

    Caregona

    KINK CITYYYY!

    This is an awesome story with lots of kinky shit going on. You have to balance your emotions about how you feel about all the kink shit going and and how you juggle relationships with this kinky, but also highly immoral, place hanging above you. Will you stay strong and just see this place as a job, a means to an end, or will you deprave yourself? It's really good and a gripping story that leaves you wanting more after each update.
  5. 5.00 star(s)

    reaganreigns

    I don't know how to submit reviews for games so uhhhh enjoy my opinions!
    Figured out how to leave a review!

    Dude this game is a fuckin' masterpiece.

    The overall storyboarding is tight as all hell:
    Every scene serves a purpose, there's not a single render out of place, not a single scene that doesn't have some impact on your or MC's relationship with the other characters. It's honestly very refreshing, there's few VNs I can think of where the way scenes are laid out or the way scenes connect to other scenes is this neatly packaged. This already makes PC a masterclass on keeping your players' interest.

    Segue off that thought:
    The fuckin' writing is sublime. Every single scene with a character, whether it's a LI or a side character, serves a purpose. Sometimes that purpose is something as small as "we're just making MC and <insert character> like each other a bit more", other times it's "we want the MC (and the players by extension) to want to break this character down". How each scene serves it's purpose is sometimes fairly obvious, and other times sneakily insidious.
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    Skilful pivot into character and render quality:
    Shit's pretty fuckin' good. I'm not usually a fan of this visual style of VN, I find the "realism" style of character and environment rendering much more appealing usually. Usually.
    PC does this style of visuals very well, so much so that I actually grew to like them fairly quickly. The characters are expressive, especially the eyes, and the women are incredibly hot. However the models for the women lack variety.
    One of the strong suits of the VN medium is that you get to explore many different kinds of characters in your writing, but the variety shouldn't stop at the writing level. A little bit of visual variety goes a long way. Sure you've got your buxom babes, a shredded Olympian athlete, a few ladies with history, and some short-stacks, but is there really a reason to have them all have natural J-cups? All in all, I just miss the visual variety. (And maybe I'd be a little more attracted to Hana if she had modest B-cups to go with her otherwise faultless body, still Best Girl)

    I don't have a witty transition into animations:
    Mostly the animations are of the short, looping kind, the kind you'd use for emphasis rather than visual interest. There's no particular reason Veronica has to be bouncing on Kathleen's giant black strap-on, but she is because it's much easier to convey V is getting rammed through animation than still frames. Emphasis. The animations are varied, applied often, and emphasise the saucy bits of the story very well.

    Running out of steam so let's get into the strong suit of visual novels: Choices.
    This. Fucking. Game. There's a lot of choices in this bitch and as far as I can tell, most if not all of them do something. More often than not the impact of the choices is pretty short-term: "Do I go here or go there?", "Hang out with this character or that character?", "Say yes to something or no to something?", etc. However due to the sheer amount of choices there's also a substantial amount of choices that impact the long-term. I've played through this game twice. In the first playthrough I focussed on Felicia and Hana because they were the most interesting (if you catch my drift) characters.
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    The second playthrough I focussed more of my attention on Mina, Rosalind, and Veronica. In the last playthrough I saw cracks in Rosalind's "mother in deep shit's last resort" act, she's more of a slut than she lets on, and I wanted to explore that. Same thing with Veronica. She's presents herself as a tough, no-nonsense kind of woman, but as time goes on she becomes less and less prideful, less sure of herself, and I really want to see her break down into a sorry little ball of meat so we can pick her up and baby her like she almost definitely wants/needs. Also Mina is a close second for Best Girl. Careful Hana.
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    To bring it all back around: Dude. This game is a fuckin' masterpiece. It has its flaws, as does every top 10 game on this site, but they're all pretty minimal and totally overshadowed by the things this VN does masterfully. Kudos to the devs, your game has quickly become a favorite of mine and I cannot wait to play future updates.
  6. 5.00 star(s)

    whizwart

    5/5, no question.

    The devs could abandon this game tomorrow (PLEASE GOD DON'T!), and it would still out shine almost 90% of other games on here. Beyond the usual character, set, and writing praise, I love two specific things about this title:

    1. It uses Honey Select models. I find that special because it shows polish and good writing can outshine graphics and tech every time. If you put the care in, your game will show that. I simply love that someone using older assets is blowing so many other stories out of the water.

    2. I know some people don't care for it, but I like the moral see-sawing about sex work the MC has to contend with. The game so far hasn't tired to give us a solid moral stance to take, because there isn't one. How you balance consent and exploitation isn't easy, nor should it be. The fact the devs harnessed that into a compelling theme running througout the game is brillant, and I'd love to see more themes like this in games.
  7. 5.00 star(s)

    Forest2336

    A wonderful game with an interesting plot and characters. One of the main advantages of the game is a large number of choices in dialogues that really affect the plot. Many thanks to the author, I look forward to the next updates!
  8. 5.00 star(s)

    bronze189

    This game is, hands-down, one of THE best ones on the site.

    Every character has a well-defined motivation for wanting to be involved in the club (including your own, which you can influence to an extent) and putting up with the games, the majority of them have some aspect worth sympathizing with, and the creativity on display is just phenomenal!
  9. 5.00 star(s)

    2k4you

    Like the game and the characters and it looks like your decisions are impactful on your development. The pacing is very good, nothing to grind and every conversation is somewhat interesting. Currently the game version is Ch. 3 Update 4 and I would love to see the rest of the story.
  10. 2.00 star(s)

    Alucard421

    When i first started playing this game, the character designs intrigued me so much. The sex animations also were very good. The game for me was going well upto the point till the first competetion second contest happened, where the red head gym girl was forced to disgusting things and drink cum.

    At that point I realised, " So it was this type of game, a game where the women involved will be broken down to the point where by the end, they won't even remember the reason they came into the competition.

    A game where Old rich powerful men will always win without reprecussions. We already have old rich powerful men winnining in real life, doing whatever they want and getting away with it. I don't have to watch them winning in a fucking porn game as well.

    Then this game got a love hate relationship with me, I wanted to play but knowing the game will push the narratives I hate from the core of my heart, I couldn't play.

    Ultimately after I tried again, the previous save game completely crashed and gave a traceback error and the game sent me to the start of the game. I realised thaat somehow by fate musing, I am unable to play the game and I finally lost any interest in this game.
  11. 5.00 star(s)

    Rob Lowe

    A really satisfying game to play, you quickly get involved with the main character and the other characters are all endearing in their own ways.
    The game is deep and lasts a long time without getting bored for a second.
    A multiple choice that forces us to think about what we want to get from this game with several different fines the game is able to transmit emotions what makes it unique in its kind!
    Well done!
  12. 5.00 star(s)

    Hector Wimbleton

    I'll just say it straight that I'm biased and that when I saw a signature gif of Hana I just fell in love then I saw Mina and I also fell in love. I played through the game with the help of the walkthroughs and man were the scenes worth it. If I had to say at the time of typing this if I had to complain about something it's that those 2 best girls I've mentioned haven't had any actual intercourse scenes yet. I guess that can easily be remedied through future updates 'cause I can see that there's something getting set up for the plot to unwind. Spoiler alert being Hana's choice of share/ownership of August and Mina's wild bucketlist. I'm not gonna lie though for some reason I ain't that fond of the 3 "carnations" being Rosalind, Veronica, and Felicia I guess it's ultimately up to taste but honestly everything was amazing from the writing, the crazy plot and how things connect with choices and perks which add some replayability to it 5 stars since I rarely review or maybe even never haha. ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS VN I REALLY WANT MORE AND HOPE DEVS GET ALL THE SUPPORT THEY GET on an unrelated note the Mina arcade part really reminded me of A House in the Rift another Renpy VN I recommend!
  13. 5.00 star(s)

    Juuhachigou

    Last I played this game was back when it was just the prologue and all I can remember about my feelings back then were the amazing writing and beautiful characters. I remember it leaving a strong impression on me then. Fast forward to now, with the Ch3Update4 patch, I'm finally able to catch up on all I've missed these past few years since, and boy this game is even better than I imagined!

    One of the greatest aspects of this game IMO would be its writing. The writing of this game is amazing as the story has an intriguing premise found in the overview, and as I played more into the story I was always engaged with what the next major story arc would entail. Plot aside, the decisions you make as our MC affect not only major scenes in the story, but also affect even the little details such as dialogue lines; I really like little details like that. TD, the writer dev, really has developed an amazing story to be told to the point I think it’s easy to become more invested in the plot and character relationships than the sex. And the sex scenes in the are amazing, beautiful and eye catching, so that’s quite a feat haha.

    Onto the cast of PC, I love them so much. They are so full of character and depth, and I loved moments in the game where they really get to showcase their personality and motivations. Seeing the characters, both main characters and side characters, emote and be animated throughout the story is beautiful. The characters are well developed, both physically and story wise, with complex back stories that we explore as the story progresses. Aside from major plot events in the story, I personally love moments outside the major events; moments such as when the MC and a heroine are alone and sharing a moment together. The MC is also a thought-out character with his own set of values and ethics, both of which are challenged in the story. Throughout the game, alongside the decisions you make, we get to hear his inner thoughts giving insight to his actions in the story. This makes him feel like a fully developed character in his own right, and I love seeing his perspective of the events alongside our decisions. It feels refreshing having an MC like this.

    The visuals of this game are bound to leave you awestruck! GIL, the art dev, from what I’ve seen in this game and heard from others, has really created some of the best-looking characters and animations I’ve ever seen. As I’ve stated before, seeing the character express themselves not only in their writing, but also their facial emotes and animations really help bring the characters to life. Each character has their own distinct style and I love seeing the various characters in different outfits. Of course, these praises also go to the sexual content of the game as well. Beautiful visuals, smooth animations, and the high level of detail make the girls and their scenes an absolute show to watch.

    I guess to end this off, this game is such a masterpiece at the moment, and I cannot wait for the later updates until its complete. I wish we could go above and beyond 5 stars, cuz this truly is an experience that deserves it.

    #TeamHana
  14. 5.00 star(s)

    justaklimts

    Insanely well-written and entertaining. Down-to-earth pragmatic plot that took me for a ride. All female leads are captivating and gorgeous art. Did not have Patreon prior to playing this game and now I'm a gold patron. What a surprising find when trying to extinguish some carnal fires.

    Ended up almost populating all of the first 9 pages of save slots for each fork in the proverbial road for the story. Not even close to being a 100% completion gamer here but I feel like each character is so well-written that I found myself exploring each branch of conversation just to find out more.

    Shoutout to the devs, writers and artists for a fantastic experience and cannot WAIT for future updates :)

    PS. Felicia >
  15. 5.00 star(s)

    vaughanjs154

    There are plenty of horny idiots on this site who'll give a 5 star review to anything which doesn't crash and has art they can get off to, when more accurately few deserve even 3 stars. So listen when I say that this is a 5 star game through and through, perhaps the only one on this site.

    From the outset clever world-building sets off a story where believable characters can engage in a wide range of erotic activities that are far from vanilla, all while the main character can avoid being a creepy manipulative asshole (if you choose that path, there are other options).

    The renders are gorgeous for the most part (stock honey-select protaganist does make an appearance though this feels more like memeing rather than oversight), the story and characters are engaging and believable, a wide range of fetishes are explored, there's no grinding or stupid fetch quests. The only negative I could really bring up is that this game is not for people who like vanilla and some content will push boundaries for those who are only a little past vanilla.
  16. 5.00 star(s)

    Jimlong357

    Really good game if you are into male dom. Characters are well written and the artwork in top notch.

    I didn't know honey select could look this good.

    The stroy is very engaging, and paced well. You would be hard pressed to find better dialogues in again of the games I've played of this kind.

    There is some extreme content in this game, so if that's not your thing, then stear clear, if you like a full one fetish game with a very good story this one's for you.
  17. 5.00 star(s)

    Noansia

    Chapter 3 Update 4 Public
    I don't even know where to start, this game is special and surely one of if not the best on F95. This is the actually first time I'm reviewing a game here even if i've played plenty and this is the only one that pushed me to do it. It's great all around: characters, story, setting, animations, writing, sex scenes, girls,face expressions, choices impact and so on. The very thing that stands out here is the writing as it makes everything even more appealing and enjoyable. I definitely recommend you to try.
    Keep up the good work devs.
  18. 5.00 star(s)

    Bill Temple

    I played Ch. 3 Update 3 shortly before Ch. 3 Update 4 was released. I replayed from the start just to get to enjoy this masterpiece again. I've held off on a review, needing time to find something critical to write as counterbalance to my exuberance for this project. I've enjoyed quite a few adult games and visual novels, probably a few dozen. Maybe I haven't played enough or the right ones, because I've never read or played anything that can be compared with this VN. The TLDR is that Pale Carnations is stunning, both visually and literarily. You're doing yourself a disservice if you ignore this gem.
    That said, I'll offer some warnings to less flexible or more sensitive readers out there. If you're looking for either a light bdsm thrill or an uncomplicated love story, this won't scratch those itches. If your goal is for MC to accrue a harem of adoring sex slaves, it isn't in the game yet, and I'd be surprised if that's where it's headed. If you want an open world to expore and choose your own path, let me remind you that this is a visual novel. If you have need of a protagonist white knight fighting every perceived injustice on behalf of all women everywhere, this isn't that. Basically, the protagonist is a good guy, but, like a real person, he has less-than-altruistic desires and urges occasionally influencing his impulse control. There is content featuring prostitution, humiliation, degradation, misogyny, abuse of power, and more, and a quite a bit of it pretty unavoidable. You'll play as a character committing, contributing to, or allowing several of these acts. You can influence several scenes to some extent, but there isn't a monogamy & missionary-only mode for this game. You'll be faced with behaving cordially, sometimes friendly, with many of the worst perpetrators. A core concept in the game is people choosing to behave outside their sexual comfort zone, motivated to do so by rich elites for their own perverse entertainment. If that's how you define rape and that outrages you, just move on. Really, all the squicky elements are well handled, and it's all disclosed in the tags.
    The writing:
    The first thing to note is the writing is immaculate. You'll never be distracted by poor grammar, sentence structure, spelling, or word choice. The only exceptions I noticed are two forgivable uses of "conscientious" when I believe "self-conscious" was the more appropriate word choice. On that note, the vocabulary isn't childish, but nor is it complicated or pretentious. The skillful execution of the technicalities of good writing allows one to focus on the narrative, and oh man is this a compelling story. The plot, briefly put, centers around a young man who is convinced to accept employment at a high-end brothel/sex club for the powerful and wealthy. This premise is not just a vehicle for a slide-show of fetishes and kinky sex, though there is plenty of that. The premise is, like all AVNs, a vehicle to introduce the MC to hot chicks, but more uniquely, an opportunity for us to view and somewhat influence the main character's navigation of the disparity between his base compulsions and his ethical principles in the face of a intense temptation and the context of a sympathetic backstory. His character is troubled by his actions, his compulsions, and the situations of those around him whom he cares for. Which brings me to the second way that Pale Carnations rises above the standard. These characters aren't simple avatars of clichéd tropes. The psychology, history, and motivations of most characters is explored or reflected on. Because they are written as real people with realistic emotions and needs, they are likeable in a way that porn games don't usually achieve. Their backstories are fully developed, and their personalities are both believable and consistent. There are breaks from character that might be surprising, but never preposterously so, never more than one sees in the real world. Given the unusual and trying circumstances that give rise to these character breaks, they feel organic and natural: character growth. The most notable and most important character that is developed is the protagonist, the player character. In Pale Carnations, the main character isn't a faceless cardboard cut-out for the player to puppet through their own fantasies. While the player is given some options on how the MC can act, the internal monologue is written in first-person. The MC is his own fully-developed character, not an nebulous stand-in for you. His emotionally intelligent deliberation on psychology and ethics never feels overbearing. Rather, it is artfully juxtaposed with clever dialogue and rich storytelling. The descriptions of places, things, actions, and people are gripping and always tonally consistent. Dialogue is so very well delivered. No word feels unnatural, except where intended. Reactions and replies make sense, conveying believable emotion. There's plenty of witty retorts and humorous observations. Using renpy to add comedic (and dramatic) timing to conversations is far above and beyond what one expects from visual novels. My favorite examples of this are most dialogues with Hana, especially a scene where she sits on MC's chest and they discuss their days, of which I'd love to share more but won't spoil for new readers. All said, I wouldn't be surprised if TD (author of PC) has professional experience writing fiction in some other capacity or medium.
    The visuals:
    The visual assets are gorgeous, just abso-fucking-lutely beautiful. I'm not just talking about the women, who are all stunning, but every scene visually ranges from superb to breathtaking. The attention to detail is amazing. There are reflections, material textures, skin textures, moles, freckles, wrinkles, proper consideration to physics, consistent and logical light sources, and depth of field. There's even hair stubble, and food looks like food rather than a six-year-old's scrawl. The faces are expressive, matching the emotion that's described in the text. The color palettes are deeply satisfying and add to the tone of the scenes. The visual perfectionism is such that it stood out to me that Harper's hair isn't obeying gravity during the dunking scene. That's all I'm able to come up with. That's how far I'm reaching. I'm nitpicking this minutiae in order to find any fault with the artwork. The animations are spectacular, smooth and seamlessly looped. They're every bit at good as the stills. In fact, the animations seem to be even more detailed and intricately perfected than the stills. Gil should offer classes on how to make Illusion look this beautiful. I've never seen it look even half as good as this.
    The audio:
    Music is a bit less important for me than the first two categories, but my expectations were again exceeded. The soundtrack is great. Once again, the tone and mood of the audio are skillfully matched to the scenes. There are: ominous, unsettling, tension-building tracks; uplifting, victorious tracks; chill jazz grooves; upbeat, happy melodies; wistful, melancholic tunes; potent, raw rock riffs. Every one of them enhances the experience of the scenes they're supporting.

    Five or even ten stars isn't enough for this game. It gets all the stars.
  19. 5.00 star(s)

    daoistduck

    Just finished Chapter 3 Update 4, and I have to be honest, this is the only game that I genuinely regret playing.
    Everything else on this site feels bland in comparison now, any of the female characters could be the protagonist of the female lead of their own story yet here they are optional paths.
    The writing is fantastic, the writer manages to humanize sex workers while also demonstrating how they are exploited by the industry.

    I look forward to seeing how the story progresses, only giving it 5 stars because I can't give it any more.
  20. 5.00 star(s)

    new 2

    Fantastic game, and what I think is the best overall game of all the ones I've tried so far. Story is engaging and feels more grounded than other games, despite the crazy premise, managing to hook even me who's not even interested in strong fetishes. Sexual acts in the game always feel like they have some sort of weight or substance and isn't just for the sake of getting off the player—it seems natural to the game and its themes.

    Art and character design is top notch. I have no idea how it's done, but definitely some of the higher quality renders and animations from all I've seen, if not the highest.

    Looking forward to every update for this game.