VN - Ren'Py - Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5] [Mutt & Jeff]

  1. 5.00 star(s)

    selberdreher

    I felt a bit lazy, but wanted to leave a good review for this outstanding Game. So i took the freedom to hijack belfaborac`s post #4080 from the pale carnations thread:
    "...honestly I'm constantly flabbergasted at the depth and quality of the writing that's on show in Pale Carnations, especially considering what type of game I'm dealing with. It's simply on a totally different level compared to 99.99% of what's otherwise on show here. I'm deeply, deeply impressed."

    But because that`s just too lazy for such a good game i try to add my own two cents:

    As others already explained in depths and with far better words i could (non-native english speaker here), the writing, characterization and content easily puts this game into the top 5 of all games here. The only feature which wasn't credited enough so far in my humble opinion is the superior use of - i think you can call it - cinematography in this game:
    the intricate utilization of close ups and totals in conjunction with the spot-on use of facial expressions (eye movements!) that really show emotions make this production shine. For me, my Ren'Py Save Slots are a bit like a screenshot gallery, and i think 50% of them are just close-ups of character faces.
    This Review covers Version Ch.3 Upd 3, but applies also to all former versions.
    Highly recommended, best regards to Team Mutt&Jeff (i think they are GIL3D and TD1900 on this forum) for creating this piece of art for adults.
    Thank you very much.

    Edit: PS the sex scenes are hot as fuck
  2. 4.00 star(s)

    User003

    This is a quality game. Both the art and writing are very good. My deduction of one star is due to the miss-able content. While this game does it better than most others I've seen, it is still a porn game and choices beyond "would you like to have sex with this character?" are a bit of a nuisance. No, I'm not going to replay the whole game 2+ times to experience everything it has to offer. Yes, I'm glad that there's a scene gallery with an unlock button, but that's not the point. If we can imagine a nerdy (conventionally less-than-attractive) guy with a massive dong joining a sex club to bang hot women all whilst hooking up with the hot rocker chick and his buddy's girlfriend, we can suspend belief just a little bit farther to have all of the sexual content play out in one timeline.

    I didn't remove any stars for this, but I will say that the content isn't exactly my cup of tea. I'm not complaining; as I said before this is a well-made game. I just want to share a warning to any others who might be on the fence. This game takes place in a sex club. Most of the women are (married) sex workers. To be explicitly clear, you were not, are not, and will never be the only man having sex with these women. You will hear about (read about) their sex with other men and you will see other men in sexual situations. It's not NTR, but if you really don't like sharing then this game is not for you. Don't leave one-star reviews for the devs if you aren't into that stuff; just skip the game and move on or try it out and leave a proper review based on the game's quality.
  3. 5.00 star(s)

    don2sail

    as hot as it gets. story of being in a sex club, almost continuous sex, great models. animations have a little too few frames, in my opinion, but certainly enjoyable. Can't think of more to say but I still haven't reached the minimum.
  4. 5.00 star(s)

    Magikyl

    One of the best VNs I've ever played, if not the best. Its worth your time. The charcters are great, the story is great, everything is great. No annoying sandbox bullshit. One of the few creators on here to earn my money on patreon.
  5. 5.00 star(s)

    sabadongelov

    Hands down one of the most qualitative games on this site. Everything, from the writing and dialogue, to the story, setting and graphics are top notch. There is really no need for me to go into any detail considering there are some 200 + reviews before this one. If you enjoy the tags this game has (domination, humiliation and BDSM being key), then it's a must play.
  6. 5.00 star(s)

    SteamedHamsInc.

    This revised review was written after playing chap3 update 4 and although it's nothing the glowing reviews here so far haven't already covered, I wanted to throw in my own lump of praise.

    Honey Select models have their natural limitations because you only get so many templates and assets. This game pushes those assets to their very extreme, in a way that few HS based games have done. GIL, who is responsible for the visuals, has a seriously uncanny ability to integrate animation into the story beats and allow the visual momentum to carry near seamlessly from text to image to animation.

    The models, especially the female models, are all gorgeous and unique. That in itself is good, but what elevates this game visually is that GIL fundamentally understands and is able to execute to an impressive level the minutia of conveying feelings and atmosphere. Every subtle change in expression, every pose and gesture of the cast, down to every cocked eyebrow, raised lip, tinted cheek, and tilted head, so adequately and succinctly reflect the thoughts and emotions of the characters as they go about their interactions.

    If you can't picture what a certain intricate sentiment that the story conjures would look like, by the illusionist's deft hand, you need look no further than on the screen and see exactly how a character feeling a certain way would appear. That's some serious craftsmanship and is one of the great things about a "visual" novel that is different from a fully textual experience. Other things like a carefully crafted UI, accessible and helpful memories page/character profiles, immersive and tonally resonant sound tracks, all go toward building the top notch presentation of this game.

    The only fault that I could pick, and it's the inherent problem of HS assets, is that the male models look much more rudimentary in comparison.

    While the visuals comprise the flesh and bones, the story is, for me, the soul of this game. The writing is smooth, ridiculously so for a grassroots VN passion project. TD is the writer and I'm not entirely convinced that he isn't already a novelist. I've found that the general trend with VNs is that the focus is on introspective sensibilities rather than outward descriptions, even in adult VNs where a good deal of erotic description is mandated. PC defies that, and goes deep into its descriptions, especially compared to its usual counterparts. TD has a stylistic flourish and though the prose doesn't stick every time, it does a very, very good job both in style and in accuracy when painting the mental image.

    What's more, when PC does sink its teeth into the inner thoughts of its MC, the reflections are insightful and evocative. The main character isn't an empty self-insert; he is a fully realized character with his own motivations and struggles and the Devs make a point of showcasing his thoughts and contemplations in a seasoned, enticing manner that invites both relatability and analysis. It's one thing to be able to portray a mind, it's an entire step above to dissect it and to portray the dynamic evolution of said mind in a convincing, empathetic manner.

    To build on that, the dialogue flows effortlessly and can be banal enough but not uninteresting. That's hard to do. What's more, each major character not only has distinct personalities and stories, but their own "voices". Below average writers have all their characters sounding like the same person doing a puppet show; decent writers can distinguish them by giving more distinction in terms of overall presentation of each character's personalities; good writers take it a step above and develop a unique voice for each character without needing extra plot intervention. That's where PC is at, and it's damn impressive considering the uneven quality usually found in this genre.

    That isn't to say there are no complaints about the writing. The main problem for me is that sometimes TD's style is too evident, the dialogue too polished when it should give way to more mundane and natural-sounding language. There is such a thing as letting the quality of your prose get in the way of more organic overall presentation. But these are minor and frankly luxurious complaints to have when good writing in general is in desperate shortage across all gaming genres.

    The themes are unflinchingly dark and disturbed, matching the tone of the non-vanilla adult content. It is however interwoven into the story in a very natural way. The game isn't free from plot holes or moments of ridiculousness, but the overall premise and exploration of the subject matter is dealt with in a mature and careful manner. Depravity and base human desires are used as a vehicle for the building of character arcs and the examination of both the MC's own psyche and his understanding of the other characters.

    I have always believed that erotica can and does execute serious, thought-provoking themes and messages in a way that is not possible (or at least much more difficult) without being able to engage notions surrounding sex explicitly. That's not to say that PC is some masterful work of art, but just the fact that it can and does provide some ideas that are worth chewing over and thinking about, in an entertaining and mature manner, is enough for me to dole out the praise.

    Sure, the sex is sometimes both the means and the end, being an adult game after all, but the in-game examination of human depravity is rarely an indulgent or masturbatory exercise. Instead there's a calculated and artistic way of marrying impulse with decency, and always a tipping of the scale at opportune moments to remind players of the implications of what we witness or even participate in. That is honestly really commendable. The game tries to deal with heavy and deeply grey matters and weaves them into the natural progression of the plot quite well. There's rarely a moment when I'm caught up in the thick of things where I think that it's heavy-handed to the point of absurd; and if it does, then the absurdity is at least reflected on in a self-aware manner.

    Finally the characters, arguably the biggest selling point of the game. I can honestly say that of all the adult VNs I've ever played, PC reigns at the very top level of character writing. As was mentioned above, each major character has their own voice, and the drama of the plot has allowed for very rich and interesting character interactions. I won't go into too much detail as I could write an essay just of the characters in the game; as a matter of fact I have done so and get a real itch after every update to write some more.

    What I will say is this: no character is skin-deep and nearly every named character with more than a passing role has a well-rounded profile and backstory. Especially the main cast, each of whom are layered, complex, and engaging in their own rights. What may appear as stupid or absurd will leave you reflecting once more pieces to the character are revealed. TD understands that compelling characters need a compelling "why" behind the "what", and he delivers. There's hardly ever a dull moment in the numerous interactions that have been run through thus far with the love interests and other main characters, and what I do learn about the characters only leave me wanting more and more. They are at times sympathetic, desirable, often infuriating, and some straight up despicable. But you will almost never get the sense that they're constructed too artificially or unrealistically; these characters make sense, and that's damn high praise.

    I could honestly go on for another 5000 words but this is a review after all and not my own musings. If you want to experience the highest grade of what adult visual novels has to offer, then look no further. This story is not for the faint of heart, but damn if it isn't a good one.
  7. 5.00 star(s)

    Arctosa

    I wasn't sure how I felt about this game, but after giving it a long shot, it's pretty damn good, the chara design differs heavily from other HS based game, and I don't complain, it's actually refreshing. The plot looks pretty damn serious and quite darkish, when it's not straight up dirty as hell.


    But you know what, I'm a very vanilla type of guy, like really, and yet, this one got my full attention. I do appreciate when devs have a clear vision of what they want to do with their stuff, and this is clearly the case here.
    I don't know how the rest will do, but so far it's near my top 10, again, despite how opposite of my taste it is.
    Great job sir.
  8. 4.00 star(s)

    LauraBurn

    First off, I’ll say that this game should have the NTR tag. What’s there is avoidable, but it definitely qualifies.

    If you want a TLDR for the current build [Chap 3, Update 2], I think the writing in this game is incredible, better than any other game on this site at least certainly in terms of dialogue. The models and animation are top tier. If the subject matter is not a red flag for you then this game is 100% worth your time.

    Now onto my full review:

    I knew this game was going to be special from the opening scene. Seriously. I normally write my reviews after finishing the current content, but I was less than a minute into this game and decided to write the review as I played. As such, this review will be somewhat chronological in terms of my thoughts being brought up as I they came to me rather than a structured argument.

    As I said, the beginning is great and I knew the writing was going to be quality just from the MC’s opening monologue. “You simply can’t take stock of a man’s character who lives in an immutable bubble. I have simply never been given the opportunity to prove my conceited self-image right or wrong.” That’s some really good shit right there. Several levels above the average writing in even the better porn games out there.

    A final warning that there will obviously be spoilers below, so be warned.

    The writing continues its high quality when the MC shows up for the job and actually refuses when he realizes what it is. He actually behaves like a rational person. He doesn’t just do what needs to be done in order for the plot to progress quickly and smoothly, he does what makes sense. He only goes back to work there after being given a completely ridiculously good offer that any reasonable person would accept. That’s good writing.

    As the MC took the tour of the facilities, it dawned on me that the environments in this game are also rather nice. Many areas are completely unique compared to the copy and pasted environments of most games made from Illusion models. It was refreshing and it all felt very cohesive.

    I’ll be honest and say that the more I learned about the premise, the more worried I became. The premise was interesting to be sure, but I hate NTR and the idea that all these beautiful women that the MC would surely be involved with sexually -- and likely romantically as well -- are going to get boned by some fat old rich dudes really did not appeal to me at all. I figured I’d give it a chance though since there was no NTR tag on the game.

    There were definitely hints of NTR-esk shit early on, but I expected as much as I saw because of the prostitution tag. There was nothing with the main girls in the prologue. Some of the main girls: Felicia, Hana, Kathleen, Rose, and Veronica had scenes in the prologue, but none of them had sex with clients, so I was hopeful it would remain that way despite some evidence to the contrary.

    Week 1 rolls around and you’re pretty quickly treated to some clips of your mom getting fucked by two thugs in a porno and I knew I was probably going to be dipping out of the game pretty soon after I saw that. But I decided to stick it out. I still had hope that at least none of the love interests had something similar.

    When the first competition occurred between the 3 Carnations, I learned the main love interests wouldn’t be completely protected as one of them needs to get bukkaked by the crowd of old rich fucks. Though I didn’t stay to watch, just knowing it happened at all soured the scenes prior to it for me. The fact that this outcome is apparently unavoidable bothered me. At this point, the only reason I stuck around was because the writing was really solid and I totally fell in love with Hana, who thankfully seems to be one of the only LIs that are likely safe from the NTR.

    For the next long stretch of the game, there were a few instances that might have taken me out and made me stop playing. Just personal taste stuff, not an indictment of the quality of the game. In fact, it’s the opposite. The fact that I stayed despite it not being to my taste really speaks volumes about the writing. I knew for sure that I would be in it for the long haul when Rose sings you to sleep and you recall your mother singing you a song. This song happened to be one of my favorite songs by one of my favorite artists, Leonard Cohen, and a song my father used to sing me. It made me surprisingly emotional. Far more than I would have expected from a porn game.

    Ultimately, I'm not terribly happy that you can't completely protect the main girls, but I recognize that it's my own personal taste and not an issue with the quality of the game: Hence my positive review despite my own problems with it. The writing is good enough that it allowed me to push past a lot of the problems I had with it, and Hana being best girl also gave me plenty of reason to complete the current build and look forward to future updates.
  9. 5.00 star(s)

    AndUFailed

    The realism narrative style is unexpectedly deep and relatable, all the choices are incredibly immersive. If only the deveopers have enough capital to make a game that doens't rely on lewd contents to attract people to fund their project, the potential of this is huge. I mean lewd is certainly welcomed, but if the narrative isn't circled around lewd, the writer will have a much better opportunity to elaborate both plots and characters.
    Edit: Hana best girl. period.
  10. 5.00 star(s)

    SomeoneRandomToYou

    (Review as of CH 3 Update 2)

    I have to say that I did not go into this game with many expectations, especially since on the surface it seemed to me like another one of those tropey BDSM domination games that plunges your MC into some kind of dystopian setting where everyone drops to their knees at a moments notice and no one has any personality.

    But I was wrong, oh so wrong, when I decided to give Pale Carnations a shot.

    Granted there is some suspension of disbelief required from the player (which is natural for any game really) but this game is unbelievably refined and all the characters have so much depth and personality it's simply astounding. You truly feel for these characters and you feel like the decisions you make and the consequences that they have actually have an impact on not just the MC, but on you as a player as well. That is VERY good storytelling.

    One of the greatest aspects of Pale Carnations is that it does not sacrifice one thing for the other. Usually, games that have good plot lines and dialogue end up sacrificing the sex scenes and the other juicy bits in the favour of a more comprehensive and realistic storyline. Pale Carnations on the other hand does not leave you blue balled. It combines the best of both worlds by introducing you to a myriad of layered and well thought out characters while also allowing you to enjoy the scenes that you came here to enjoy without having to wait for too long at a time.

    Conclusion - Pale Carnations is a true gem over here on F95, one which you should not pass up if you happen to be a huge fan of the BDSM genre and/or love a D/S style game that has build-up. It also touches upon themes of romance and companionship very well should your character choose to focus more on that instead. So in short, it is a game that truly has a little something for everyone.
  11. 5.00 star(s)

    cheeseburger

    I just wanna say, I usually press the left-ctrl key all the time while playing erotic VN, well not for this one. It's well written with enough thrill to make you curious about what's gonna happen next. The girls are also well designed although I'm not sure if this goes to HS praise or the dev, anyway, good job. Also, love the way MC can go sadistic or be merciful.

    Go support these guys on Patreon, they deserved it.
  12. 5.00 star(s)

    MeaninglessMemories

    Pale Carnations is the impossible game.

    What do I mean by that? It's a corruption/BDSM game/domination VN that makes you care about these girls. They're not just wonderful eye candy, they're people who you want to see succeed in an insane competition.

    Not only that, but the lore makes total sense within its own world. This isn't any story full of debauchery, it's one full of intrigue, care, and even love. This is exhibitionism with a classy spin.

    Now, don't get me wrong. This game is also self aware and isn't 100% serious or cruel. It knows when to use levity to continue the plot without too much suffering.

    The game is beginning to diverge, and the consequences of the MC's choices are getting more and more important, which I hope leads to two satisfying conclusions.

    As for the fundamentals, Pale Carnations shows true commitment to quality. This game has a slick and stylized UI. It even a sad jazz piano theme in the menu. The girls are all beautiful. The replay menu is even contextualized as a room.

    Worst I could say, the male characters are still too similar to the HS stock dudes. Something that isn't too hard to get over.

    Pale Carnations is truly a one of a kind experience. I haven't really seen anything like it, and I can't wait for more.
  13. 5.00 star(s)

    SpearOfReigns

    Probably the best Honey Select AVN on the site. The girls look unique, plot is also unique. One think stopping me from doing full 10/10 is: why not just go full animation in every sex scene? We all know HS can do animation. But still, 9/10.
  14. 5.00 star(s)

    HopeBeatsDespair

    This game is a beautiful mix of "fucked" and "this is amazing" in every way shape and form.

    The writing is great and consistent and the humor in the game when implemented is great! I also truly feel like a genuine POS when choosing the more sadistic routes and making me feel guilty about computer models mean's that the writing is doing its job.

    The renders of all the females are beautiful, Hana and Mina especially but alas along with these styles of games the male models are not the best looking, the main protag's smirks feel like they are supposed to be "sadistic" but they don't hit the mark. More like a pervert who just got a whiff of a females sock for the first time.

    If I have to point anything out to anyone who can't read the tags this game probably isn't for you if you aren't into heavy BDSM, objectifying women, cheating, and lastly fit girls.
  15. 5.00 star(s)

    Shroluken

    If I had 3 words to describe this game, then they would be "Beautifully fucked up". It goes over a concept and theme that is morally wrong on so many levels, yet it somehow has class.

    It's extremely well written, the characters are good, their personalities are all unique, the renders are good, the music is good, the story is good and the list just goes on and on.

    I'd like to mention tho that it does go into themes of very heavy bdsm and objectification of women (not from the characters point of view tho) so if you really aren't in to that kind of stuff, then you should maybe stay away, but that is if you are really against that stuff.

    As I mentioned before, the topics this game goes over are fucked up, yet the game is aware of this and sees it that way as-well, it isn't one of those games that isn't aware of the topics it's portraying.

    Overall really good game, wish the developer the best of luck.
  16. 5.00 star(s)

    fadeadhorse

    This is a really great game. The story is one of the better ones on this site, although it does have its plot holes and weird moments. But overall still really good. Your choices actually matter in the game and this leads to the story playing out differently with different choices. My only complaint would be your choices basically lead to missing scenes rather than an actual branching storyline. There are a few branching scenes, but overall the story is linear.

    The characters are well designed, physically as well as their personalities. I'm not a fan of the super-buff girl in-game. I think the muscle definition could have been toned down without changing the story. It's just a bit too extreme. But that's just my personal opinion so no points off for that. The music/sound is nice, nothing spectacular but well done. The scenes that are animated are good too, it's nice to see a game using honey select that isn't the basic honey select animations.

    Overall a great VN, I'd recommend it.
  17. 5.00 star(s)

    Normal69

    Ch. 3 Update 2

    This VN is unique and has a well written storyline. The genre of the story is not exactly my taste but twas still able to keep me interested.

    The game has excelent graphics. a medium-wide sized variety of characters and each of them are aestetically pleasing to look at. Each character also requires a different amount of courting to get close to her which distinguishes a character from another as it shows their different personalities.

    The game is well paced as you are receiving a good amount of scenes at the right interval.

    There is a Traits system but it is lacking. The game would be exactly the same regardless if the system existed or not. The devs could definitely improve this system as it isn't impactful and feels a bit useless/unnecessary.

    The relationship point and unique female character system is also lacking. The game doesn't have many options that require you to have "x" amount of points. When you reach the necessary amount you can find out(in the walktrhough pdf) that you are exceding the minimun amount by a lot(even when you are chosing mixed paths causing you to lose/not gain some points from "x" female character). So there is not reward in having a "perfect game(no missed points for the chosen path)" and wastes time.

    Despite me having a whole paragraph about the bad usage of the systems I extremely enjoyed this game and time flied when i played this game. I would recommended trying this game out even if you didn't like the synopsis.
  18. 5.00 star(s)

    CourtesyFlush

    Generic Visual Novel with click-to-see-next-slide gameplay, unique (kinky Eyes Wide Shut-type of), well-written story, no dialogue options but impactful choices in almost every scene and lots of effort put into other aspects of this project (soundtrack, ui, proof reading etc.) You can also shape MC backstory and traits (opening other possibilities) which encourages replayability and puts more weight on player autonomy. It feels like you can shape the story to your liking.
    Pale Carnations is one of the most well-written visual novels with immersive story based off a simple but genius premise that's exploring a pretty unique subject (extreme BDSM).
    The luxury brothel setting is a stroke of pure genius and also very refreshing one: instead of using the same setup of "young man finds himself living with his step-mother's best friend's landlady's neighbour" cliche story over and over again in every single game with grinding step by step toward some adult content, you get the kinkiest possible sex from the very beginning.
    It's a high quality VN that takes you for a wild ride. The graphics style (weird, off-putting Honey Select models) grows on you and the rest of the game is a masterpiece. It surpassed my expectations in every way.
  19. 5.00 star(s)

    N2TheFire

    As a new-ish AVN dev, I am always exploring other AVNs. In our community of AVN players, we have a wide assortment of fetishes and ideas for what the perfect adult visual novel should be. For me, I really didn't think Pale Carnations would be my thing. Boy, was I wrong.

    Let me just start by saying that I am the type of player that prefers a wholesome story where the MC is at least trying to be a gentleman. I'm not into a lot of the crazy fetishes that are out there these days. Pale Carnations is one of the most well-written visual novels I have played. It constantly pokes at your moral compass and dares you to peek into that world. And even if you're not into the stuff happening in that world, you want to press on. You'll be faced with decisions where you're absolutely torn between them.

    When those decisions come, don't be afraid to choose and explore the story because this writer knows what he is doing. Every story must have those bitter moments making the sweeter ones even sweeter. If you're like me, you will definitely reach decisions where nothing you would choose is among the choices. Do not let this deter you. Choose something you might not normally choose and let the story play out.

    Each character is so well written that I found myself caring deeply for some, disgusted with others, and lusting after several. They are believable. Mina is so damn cute... but she's your best friend's girlfriend. Do you go after her? Is it NTR? Hell I don't know. I personally find all the NTR debating a waste of time and prefer to just experience the story the way the writer has written it. So yep, I'm going after Mina. (Sorry friend). It is just a fantasy story after all. Here, you can step into the shoes of a person who chooses to do things you might not normally do.

    Graphics are very top notch. Animations are fluid (literally) with camera movements and great angles. The scenes are very erotic and the timing is flawless. Sex scenes are worked through, not just instantly in your face. I love that. These girls are all stunningly beautiful, very well designed, very sexy.

    Choices matter. From what I have experienced, every choice has some affect on what you're going to experience. There are tons of lewd scenes already. Yep, some situations are intense. And may even piss you off. If they do piss you off, thank the writer because he did a freaking awesome job with this. Pale Carnations is one of those unusual gems. A dark secret, a guilty pleasure. I love it and can't wait to see where this ride takes me next. Job well done Mutt & Jeff.
  20. 5.00 star(s)

    benzo78

    Top ten easy on this site currently. Story is based off a Simple premise but woven into a complex static charged thrll ride.
    Prepare for the uninspected.

    Went in thinking about how I was going to play this, yeah, yeah.
    Next thing I know the games nuances had me all mixed in a good way.
    Enjoyed every minute of it.

    At first I didnt mesh well with the know it all protagonist ,
    but I grew to adore the narrative. AlsoI love when characters your not initially iterested in suprise you later on.

    Kathleen is a bad mamma jamma.

    Kudos to Mutt & Jeff for a good flippen game.
    Keep it up!