VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Suntar]

OK, just to roll it up. Just imagine you are a rich and powerful man. Would you accept as equal somebody who looks like that?

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I just repeat that power is about dominance, not submission. I will leave at that.

What makes you think Felicia has any aspirations or delusions of becoming the equal of the other members?
All she wants and needs is a connection, the chance to talk to them, and maybe a shared interest. The club provides all of that. She doesn't need their respect. Hell, she'd probably prefer they don't respect her. Would make manipulating them all the easier.
We don't know what else she has in store, what other plans she developed after Elias rejected her pleas for help. I'm very certain she does have something in store though.

Are you even aware that some patrons are complete submissives, running around with anal plugs before the exhibtions and letting Dalia dom them? Where's your dominance here, buddy?

 

[Suntar]

I would argue that people who seek power are much less likely to be into submission or humiliation rather than inflict those on others, but neither me nor you have statistics. So, lets leave it at that, I feel I wasted enough of my time on this anyway.

And with that you just proved to everyone in this thread that you didn't pay much attention to the game at all.
Any further discussion with you is pointless

 

[ffive]

I would argue that people who seek power are much less likely to be into submission or humiliation rather than inflict those on others, but neither me nor you have statistics. So, lets leave it at that, I feel I wasted enough of my time on this anyway.

Funnily enough, there's a stereotype that it's these most powerful of guys and gals who are into submission; simply because for them it's a breath of fresh air and relief from having to be constantly in control when they're in public.

And here, i thought i'd save you the trouble. This is what Felicia's rich and powerful husband is into in his private time:

Spoiler: so dignified, much power

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Have fun with your own question, "would you accept as equal someone who looks like that?"

 

[TD1900]

And here, i thought i'd save you the trouble. This is what Felicia's rich and powerful husband is into in his private time:

...uh oh, remember when she rimmed Edwin? Wonder if Elias comes by it naturally.

 

[GhostMGN]

So, you think rich and powerful people will be ready to accept someone who completely degraded themselves? Imagine somebody who you just circle-jerked on. Will you have any respect for them. I know they are all dirty bastards but it is an ability to be dominant, to exercise your power over the others that gives you respect in this case, not your ability to be submissive.

The New Zealand Ambassador is a member of the club and loves to be dominated and humiliated. For him it's fun and controlled, why doesn't it work the same way for Felicia? Acceptance by a club is a matter of social status, not fetish. Felicia's problem is that she's a woman, not that someone jerked off on her.

Regarding Felicia’s humiliation, do you consider it unrealistic that there exists a person for whom the humiliation that Felicia has suffered and may suffer from her husband in the future could be worse than a public Bukkake?

 

[ffive]

...uh oh, remember when she rimmed Edwin? Wonder if Elias comes by it naturally.

"After a Visit From A Known Journalist, My Sex Life With My Wife Took A Shocking Turn!"

it's like they'd call one of these Japanese NTR games.

... i'd play that.

 

[TD1900]

"After a Visit From A Known Journalist, My Sex Life With My Wife Took A Shocking Turn!"

it's like they'd call one of these Japanese NTR games.

... i'd play that.

Shit. We are never beating the cuck game allegations.

 

[link18]

I would argue that people who seek power are much less likely to be into submission or humiliation rather than inflict those on others, but neither me nor you have statistics. So, lets leave it at that, I feel I wasted enough of my time on this anyway.

Bro you are conflicting social life with sex life when rich and powerful people reach the top they seek new thrills and turn to their sex life to fulfill it some like to get cucked some like to be tied up and get a beating and some dick in the ass shout out to Puffy Combs

 

[pinuz1]

I see a big cleaning of the thread on the horizon...

Yea, even more considering it feels like we are just talking to a very stubborn person, it's a back and forth that just repeats itself and nothing comes out of this whole deal , I do hope it doesn't ruin his enjoyment of this game tho.

 

[Maccabbee]

Anyone else think that playing the MC as a "good guy" is maybe way inconsistent with the character? After the Katherine scene in the new update, it really drives through that the MC has serious anger, sociopathic tendencies, and a serious sadistic streak (sexually and otherwise).

We know already that Katherine is a pure psychopath, with no ability to feel emotions other than vicariously, and is both a sexual sadist as well as being generally sadistic and malevolent. The fact that she sees that same tendencies in the MC is very telling, as she is a very perceptive person. If you choose to let it off the leash, it's clear that there is truth in this.

The character buries and masks a lot (his mom's past, which obsesses him, yet he can't even put it into words; his violent streak, which is how he befriended Ian; etc.). He likes to seem like a good guy, but is it self-delusional? Is it playing pretend to fit in?

 

[link18]

Yea, even more considering it feels like we are just talking to a very stubborn person, it's a back and forth that just repeats itself and nothing comes out of this whole deal , I do hope it doesn't ruin his enjoyment of this game tho.

We need to reach 1k pages somehow

Anyone else think that playing the MC as a "good guy" is maybe way inconsistent with the character? After the Katherine scene in the new update, it really drives through that the MC has serious anger, sociopathic tendencies, and a serious sadistic streak (sexually and otherwise).

We know already that Katherine is a pure psychopath, with no ability to feel emotions other than vicariously, and is both a sexual sadist as well as being generally sadistic and malevolent. The fact that she sees that same tendencies in the MC is very telling, as she is a very perceptive person. If you choose to let it off the leash, it's clear that there is truth in this.

The character buries and masks a lot (his mom's past, which obsesses him, yet he can't even put it into words; his violent streak, which is how he befriended Ian; etc.). He likes to seem like a good guy, but is it self-delusional? Is it playing pretend to fit in?

It is up to the player to steer Edwin from that kind of behavior, i m yet to play Edwin's evil path so for me i find good MC as conflicted between his tendencies and the the well being of his loved ones and not inconsistent its like a healing path with challenges that will depend on the player too if he will heal or not
i will wait until i play Evil Edwin to cast a well rounded judgment

 

[ffive]

Anyone else think that playing the MC as a "good guy" is maybe way inconsistent with the character? After the Katherine scene in the new update, it really drives through that the MC has serious anger, sociopathic tendencies, and a serious sadistic streak (sexually and otherwise).

To paraphrase a saying, the "good guys" are not those who lack bad impulses, but who choose not to indulge in them.

So no, it's not really inconsistent. Whether your MC actually is a "good guy" is up to you.

 

[Maccabbee]

Ian's current assholery I think is a direct result of Edwin's (and his uncle's) influence on him. Remember, he was a sensitive sweet kid, which is why he was being bullied. MC was the violent kid that defended him. Ian's aloof and neglectful parents certainly didn't help.

Helping the "introspective" side of Ian to emerge may be helping to reverse that damage, or help him mature. Not sure if it will make him any happier, though.

 

[Joratox]

He likes to seem like a good guy, but is it self-delusional? Is it playing pretend to fit in?

"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very, very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control." Don't remember who said this, but I find it to be true in a lot of situations. Being able to be cruel, but not be cruel is also a sign of a good man. The MC will be who you choose for him to be. I think this is what separates us from animals, not intelligence or opposable thumbs, but the ability to control and suppress our instincts, in order to function as a society.

Edwin atleast is not a psychopath, like Kathleen. He still shows emotions (good or bad ) and he is able to feel remorse after doing something "bad".

But also, feel free to be the "bad guy" ) this is why it's just a game and you can go ham in it. As long as you are grounded in reality after exiting the game, all is permitted here

 

[Zod666]

Where is trigger for this? I dont remember this option. Noticed it first now during Felicia+Mina scene before BJ.

 

[ffive]

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Where is trigger for this? I dont remember this option. Noticed it first now during Felicia+Mina scene before BJ.

This is set up by Edwin having doggy sex with Felicia in the club toilet during the prologue.

    mc "Who's your daddy?"
    "As cheap and pornographic as it was, my arousal compelled me to latch onto Felicia's slip of the tongue, letting me utter what I'd normally find embarrassing and extremely corny."
    fel "Y-you are?"
    "Thwap!"
    mc "WHO'S your daddy?"
    fel "You are!"

 

[Zod666]

This is set up by Edwin having sex with Felicia in the club toilet during the prologue.

    mc "Who's your daddy?"
    "As cheap and pornographic as it was, my arousal compelled me to latch onto Felicia's slip of the tongue, letting me utter what I'd normally find embarrassing and extremely corny."
    fel "Y-you are?"
    "Thwap!"
    mc "WHO'S your daddy?"
    fel "You are!"

Well that was a fast answer!
Prologue, yea no shit i dont remember it, guess ill just change the variable, tnx.

 

[ffive]

Well that was a fast answer!
Prologue, yea no shit i dont remember it, guess ill just change the variable, tnx.

Mind you, the only thing it changes is how Felicia refers to MC in a few places, so unless you're seriously into having MC referred to as "daddy" you aren't really missing out on anything without it.

 

[MagicMan753]

This is set up by Edwin having doggy sex with Felicia in the club toilet during the prologue.

    mc "Who's your daddy?"
    "As cheap and pornographic as it was, my arousal compelled me to latch onto Felicia's slip of the tongue, letting me utter what I'd normally find embarrassing and extremely corny."
    fel "Y-you are?"
    "Thwap!"
    mc "WHO'S your daddy?"
    fel "You are!"

I wished you could get her to call you that if you went apartment route and played truth or dare instead, cause I kind of like the whole daddy thing, but unfortunately it doesn't happen.

 

[Zod666]

Mind you, the only thing it changes is how Felicia refers to MC in a few places, so unless you're seriously into having MC referred to as "daddy" you aren't really missing out on anything without it.

Having a hot, blond, gold digger, calling a younger MC daddy? Yes, im seriously into it.