VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

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Turret

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Beduin123 said:
OK, just to roll it up. Just imagine you are a rich and powerful man. Would you accept as equal somebody who looks like that?

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I just repeat that power is about dominance, not submission. I will leave at that.
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Hi and sorry, but you are very much on the woodway here!
I read the discussion on the last couple pages and it is very clear you formed an early opinion on Felicia by playing her like a loser and towards your internal stereotypes. For instance, the situation is very much different if Felicia is in the lead after the two exhibitions, which is quite possible even without Edwin helping. As said, it is very obvious you played PC with making Felicia intentionally lose to bolster your own opinion of her.
Also you overlook that Felicia has the biggest facade of all Carnations. Her "Holly Golightly" persona is part of her, but mostly it exists to throw people off the real Felicia. Felicia is one of the most intelligent, creative and warm persons in the game. Her reason for being in the competition is the most humanitarian of all three. She wants to save the art school in her homecity and for this she needs connections and power, since Elias did not help her.

Felicia being at the PC club at all is only because Elias is a navelgazing idiot! He knew that saving the school was the first thing ever Felicia really wanted from him, was passionate about and he denied it to her. What an idiot, since it is heavily implied that the costs while substantial a person of Elias´ riches could have paid, flippantly speaking, from the post stamp money. Including getting positive publicity for saving the school for all. He would also have gained Felicia´s total loyality for helping her with a heartfelt problem.
But by callously denying Felicia, he made an enemy out of her.
 
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Nemoman said:
Read the discussion out of blind curiosity and unwittingly happened upon one of the best defence ever written about a person. Well done. Felicia is GOAT.
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BUT she's not a person. She's a character. :D

Anyway, hopefully you guys have finished gangbanging that beduin123 dude.

Everybody vs Beduin123: wow, that was so brutal. :whistle::whistle:

I liked it :sneaky:
 
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misfolk

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Does anyone remember the rules of the competition? What happens if there's a tie? In my playthrough no one was able to win week 2, so there's a real possibility of a three-way tie between the Carnations.
 
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misfolk said:
Does anyone remember the rules of the competition? What happens if there's a tie? In my playthrough no one was able to win week 2, so there's a real possibility of a three-way tie between the Carnations.
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It's not told so we don't know. But if there is a 2-2 tie with 2 carnations, there might be a last trial between them to decide on the winner. EDIT: also if the score is 2-1-0, the carnation at 0 may drop out of the competition for the 4th trial since she already lost

The other issue is if one carnation won the first 3 exhibitions, it would nullify the others' will to continue participating in the 4th. So in that case Kat will probably say the first trials didn't count and only the last one decides on the winner. Or rig the 3rd trial to avoid the leading carnation to win it.
 
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Suntar

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misfolk said:
Does anyone remember the rules of the competition? What happens if there's a tie? In my playthrough no one was able to win week 2, so there's a real possibility of a three-way tie between the Carnations.
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Kathleen left the rules vague on purpose. She wants to prevent a winner being decided ahead of Week 4's exhibition.
I suspect only the 4th exhibition victory will matter in the end, with the previous ones granting advantages to the carnation during the 4th's trials.
 
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Beduin123

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Turret said:
I read the discussion on the last couple pages and it is very clear you formed an early opinion on Felicia by playing her like a loser and towards your internal stereotypes.
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If you've read the discussion from the beginning you would see that I have nothing against Felicia. She is one of my favorite characters in the game. Initially I just expressed my doubt about feasibility and realism of her plan. I'm sure under realistic circumstances Elias would know the next day that his wife is making whore of herself in from of the city's elite and smears his reputation.
But anyway, most people are idiots and cannot read, let alone think. I'm not going to ignite this flame again. :cool:
 
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Idontplay

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Actually in a line Edwin says to Felicia that her plan is dumb, so everyone is aware of that. Everyone except Felicia, which is so focused on herself and her goals, to have lost the awarenes of everything that could gone wrong, I think this phenomenon is called cognitive tunnel in psychology; or something like that.
 
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ffive

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Beduin123 said:
I'm sure under realistic circumstances Elias would know the next day that his wife is making whore of herself in from of the city's elite and smears his reputation.
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You really should've paid more attention to the game. Part of the kick the members of the club get out of the whole situation is that Elias doesn't know what his wife is doing in front of them. Seeing him interact in public with his wife without any clue makes for all the better entertainment.

No one is interested in ruining their own fun, not to mention to reveal existence of a secret porn club to some rube who can't keep track of his own wife.

But yes, of course it's all the other people who are idiots and can't read, let alone think. :sneaky:
 
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I would add Elias doesn't care very much about what his wife does and he did not even know anything about the existence of the club, if not some hearsay. In fact he stated the invitation was some sort of joke and just because the invitation came frome someone trusted, he accepted it.
 
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Beduin123

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dolfe67 said:
Felicia getting bukkake'd really made an impression on you
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This part isn't even on my main playthrough. There many other appalling things she allows to be done to her even in the lightest path. Poor little Rosie got bukkaked instead.

dolfe67 said:
Nothing to say about Veronica drinking the chalice?
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Honestly? I don't care about her. I don't like her that much. I even let her win in the first competition so she could quit Week 1 after that :LOL:

dolfe67 said:
Fictions require unrealistic circumstances to some degree anyway, they're not documentaries.
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In most of other games I wouldn't even care. But this game is so good, almost perfect if not for this stupid plan. That's what I wrote in my first message.
 
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