Takkatakka

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Only a few thing I would add onto this when it comes to Ian's character. After Mina broke up with him I couldn't but feel that's when he realized how much he did like or potentially love her. To me the break up is what probably will be what changes him for the better. As after there was a few sex scenes with him I couldn't help but feel he wasn't happy and didn't care as much to be a womanizer but still does it since he has no one anyone he cares about. I may be totally wrong but that's just my take / addition but I do agree with everything you said.
So far I haven't really seen that from him. It seems more like a
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The only woman he has real feelings for seems to be Victoria as a surrogate mother and so far I haven't really noticed any change in his behavior towards women.
 

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So far I haven't really seen that from him. It seems more like a
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The only woman he has real feelings for seems to be Victoria as a surrogate mother and so far I haven't really noticed any change in his behavior towards women.
Maybe im miss remembering but I wrote that post I was thinking about the scene when he was on the phone with the MC at night on the balcony. From what I recall it was shortly after the break up and he was asking about her alot. That was the scene that gave me that impression the most.
 
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Takkatakka

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Maybe im miss remembering but I wrote that post I was thinking about the scene when he was on the phone with the MC at night on the balcony. From what I recall it was shortly after the break up and he was asking about her alot. That was the scene that gave me that impression the most.
I don't know...some of his dialogue could almost be read as him being relieved that it is over for the sake of Mina.
 

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Maybe im miss remembering but I wrote that post I was thinking about the scene when he was on the phone with the MC at night on the balcony. From what I recall it was shortly after the break up and he was asking about her alot. That was the scene that gave me that impression the most.
I don't know...some of his dialogue could almost be read as him being relieved that it is over for the sake of Mina.
I think it's a bit of both. He can be regretful over losing Mina and happy for her that she's free of him. It shows he's not an unredeemable asswipe, aware that she's better off without him. While at the same time, he knows there could have been a different reality where he was a good boyfriend and they were happy together.
 

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I think it's a bit of both. He can be regretful over losing Mina and happy for her that she's free of him. It shows he's not an unredeemable asswipe, aware that she's better off without him. While at the same time, he knows there could have been a different reality where he was a good boyfriend and they were happy together.
Yes, at least he realizes that he was an ass to her and that she deserves much better. That is more than can be said about a lot of assholes treating their wives or girlfriends badly.
 

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Can some help me here.... how to play latest version of pale carnation in android?? .... It not playable and what is use of android data and where?? Screenshot_2023-10-25-14-09-39-69_18e1207022e3596a95b346f4ebdce8ed.jpg
 

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Anyone noticed how Abel and Sophia have the same name color and outline? Sophias outline is just ever so slightly brighter.
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I wonder what that means. No other 2 characters have name styles this similar.

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I swear I can fix her :HideThePain:
 

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Anyone noticed how Abel and Sophia have the same name color and outline? Sophias outline is just ever so slightly brighter.
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I wonder what that means. No other 2 characters have name styles this similar.

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I swear I can fix her :HideThePain:
They are a combo afterall..
 
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Anyone noticed how Abel and Sophia have the same name color and outline? Sophias outline is just ever so slightly brighter.
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I wonder what that means. No other 2 characters have name styles this similar.

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I swear I can fix her :HideThePain:
Hi! It is not only that which sets Sophia and Abel apart from the other side or characters of some importance.
- So far, only the most important characters showed on the scene switch wallpapers, Abel and more so Sophia, since she is the focus of the pic, are the exceptions.
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- Sophia, as cold and calculating she is, did not need to involve herself during the blue room "movie event". She could have literally sat it out, but she chose to get involved with the MC then.

- Coming back to your point about the similar style, there is a scene during "Abel´s home invasion" where he and Sophia have exactly the same posture and even look similar (obvious differences like gender/age aside). Might it be that Sophia is Abel´s secret daughter?
 
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Takkatakka

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Might it be that Sophia is Abel´s secret daughter?
That was my first thought as well, but considering what she already subjected herself to in the club, I kinda doubt Abel would let that happen, if she would be his daughter.

Then again...both might be psychopaths...so who is to say what they find acceptable or not.
 
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No and as far as we know at the very least incest is off the table...which I'm glad about personally.
Agreed.

Maybe it's just me, but as someone that doesn't shy away from the tag, I hate seeing it shoveled into otherwise good eVNs. I don't know which would be worse - Edwin having a 'landlady' or schtupping his mother in a completely out-of-character lapse in perspective. It works in games like Ripples because of plot device (i predict!), Chasing Sunsets in their relational conflict, and Desert Stalker's world-building. It's baked in to each of them.

Here, Edwin has rebalanced himself. He's not at odds with anything until he's confronted with his past. Yet he is solid in his belief that his mother is not just a sexual object. Yes, it might be fun to think about a corruption storyline or something, but it can't really make sense if there's no real expectation developed in the story. Victoria wears a towel, and we know she's a little lonely. But that's not enough to paint her as a sexually charged deviant that just needs one whiff of Kathy's hawt bewbs to lose control on her son. (Ian's Mom, however, is getting face-fucked by MC or I riot.) And I think the only real reason anyone with an inkling of desire to see the incest tag applied is because we've seen her naked during her pornographic exploits. It's just a fantasy. It doesn't really belong in this eVN without rewriting the relationships built before we pick up with our hero at the start.

I feel like Victoria's past has been woven into the narrative for the benefit of the reader. I think she's there as an instrument for our own self-reflection. What would we do for our children? What would you feel if you found out that's what a parent did for you? She's in the plot to remind Edwin that his mother is not who he sees when he watches her videos. She is a human being who has also been a sex worker and not the opposite. We see him have the option to treat the ladies at the club like human beings rather than sex workers through dialogue, and the story seems to favor doing that. Maybe Edwin doesn't do this if Killian became a greater influence on him than her.

Incest is not on the table for Edwin, but it's obvious that the oedipal conversation is part of dealing with simply having parents and realizing at some point they are also sexual beings. I think about what it would take to have a taboo relationship feel normal, and short of a zombie apocalypse or the , there's not many situations where it could really be rationalized (and be interesting, too).
 
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