VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[ReservoirCreature]

1) your character is a person who has sex in front of an audience in an illegal brothel for money - but you don't want to be disloyal to Ian

I'm aware that any attempt at morality is going to be undermined by other behavior that is unavoidable. That's just the nature of the scenario. But, being a willing participant in an illegal brothel's sex pageant is irrelevant to the question of whether you should backstab your lifelong friend or not.

2) Ian is a serial cheater, who disrespected his girlfriend over and over and over;

Which sucks for everyone involved, but it's no excuse to stoop to the lowest common denominator.

Probably worth to keep in mind that it's more of Mina reacting to discovery that she's been repeatedly cheated on by her supposed boyfriend. They're as good as done by that time, even if Ian isn't informed about it (or you can even choose to pretty much inform him about it, by notifying him that Mina has found out about him being a cheating dipshit)

3) Mina is NOT cheating on Ian - she's about to dump him, and she will do it in a a few days (I don't remember when it exactly happens right now) anyway; and you see Ian having sex with quite a few women (Carnations, Club girls, his maid, the hairdresser) before and after Mina dumps him;

Still, I'd like to hear that they're officially broken up before getting involved.

4) the game makes you choose between being best buddies and being an asshole with Ian;

So far I've pretty much universally shut down Ian's bad behavior. So my "best buddy" status is probably in jeopardy, but in this one instance I've chosen not to damage the friendship.

5) are you aware that this is an erotic novel? your aim is to get laid.

Sure, but it's also about roleplaying and I am behaving in the way I wish to. Behaving in /any/ fashion is going to open some doors and close others. For instance, one of my favorite scenes plays out very differently depending on how you behaved during a sex scene earlier in the game.

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Hana? your argument makes no sense. Their agreement is: he is allowed only in the club and because of job obligations. If Edwin breaks this rule, a game variable adds cheating points: so it's only up to you only if you cheat on Hana while she is your girlfriend.

I've only ever read through that scene once, and I chose to not have a relationship. If there's some discussion of terms and allowed extracurriculars in the girlfriend route, then I haven't read it yet. But, iirc when she asks, Hana is unsure of whether she would be comfortable with Edwin sleeping with other women for club business. To me that seems like it wouldn't actually work out. Plus I'd like our relationship to be exclusive on /both/ ends, and if I can't promise that then I have no business being in a relationship. Also morality based on game variables is metagaming which is lame.

 

[Ottoeight]

I've only ever read through that scene once, and I chose to not have a relationship. If there's some discussion of terms and allowed extracurriculars in the girlfriend route, then I haven't read it yet. But, iirc when she asks, Hana is unsure of whether she would be comfortable with Edwin sleeping with other women for club business. To me that seems like it wouldn't actually work out. Plus I'd like our relationship to be exclusive on /both/ ends, and if I can't promise that then I have no business being in a relationship. Also morality based on game variables is metagaming which is lame.

You clearly DIDN'T play the girlfriend path. If you did, you'd know that their relationship terms have been dictated by Hana.

Every game variable and every key choice has a purpose. In this case, when Edwin breaks their agreement, you add a cheating point; when Edwin doesn't break their agreement, you add no cheating point even though he has had sex.

 

[Elduriel]

You clearly DIDN'T play the girlfriend path. If you did, you'd know that their relationship terms have been dictated by Hana.

Every game variable and every key choice has a purpose. In this case, when Edwin breaks their agreement, you add a cheating point; when Edwin doesn't break their agreement, you add no cheating point even though he has had sex.

I don't get why people would want to cheat on her on GF path... but that's just me. Maybe they like the chaos, I dunno. As for myself, I have two saves, one for her, and one to fuck around, it's not that hard.

 

[Ottoeight]

As for myself, I have two saves, one for her, and one to fuck around, it's not that hard.

Me too.

 

[ReservoirCreature]

You clearly DIDN'T play the girlfriend path.

That's what I said, yes.

 

[pinuz1]

That's just the nature of the scenario. But, being a willing participant in an illegal brothel's sex pageant is irrelevant to the question of whether you should backstab your lifelong friend or not.

I agree with this btw, I really like to "roleplay" or stay loyal to what the MC would do in certain scenarios when I play these VN, sadly not a lot of em give the main character any kind of meaningful background to make my choices feel like theirs.

Thankfully PC does, and since the very beginning of the story Ian is painted as your lifelong friend and even thought he might be a dick to all his girlfriends, he's never been bad to you and would never backstab you, hell, you get the job thanks to him.

With all that said, I still folded as soon as Mina made and advance on me . In mY defense, I did feel bad about it. But Mina is just too cute.

 

[Birdnman993]

I don't get why people would want to cheat on her on GF path... but that's just me. Maybe they like the chaos, I dunno. As for myself, I have two saves, one for her, and one to fuck around, it's not that hard.

For some, we like drama even if it is counterproductive, we want to see conflict, to see the world burn.

At first I also wanted to cheat on her but I like Mina too much so I went for the friends with benefits option.

 

[Ottoeight]

Mina's bath water
Me:
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Me: did she fart while she was bathing...? I'll take 20!

 

[Idontplay]

I don't get why people would want to cheat on her on GF path... but that's just me. Maybe they like the chaos, I dunno. As for myself, I have two saves, one for her, and one to fuck around, it's not that hard.

She is the daughter of the club's owner, so if your Edwin is so dumb to think it is a good thing seduce Hana, in order to strengthen his position inside the club, cheating on her in the meantime, then that behaviour makes sense.

 

[Flmae]

How to unlock the last scene?

hi where did you download this gallery mod

 

[ffive]

hi where did you download this gallery mod

I guess this happens when you do drink the bath water.

That's not a mod, the gallery is built into the game.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

I made the same decision on my main save where I'm trying to play good guy Edwin. I don't want to help someone cheat, I don't want to be disloyal to Ian, and I don't think it is wise to be with someone that has demonstrated they are willing to cheat.

I turned down Hana when she asked for a relationship for similar reasons. Edwin's obligations to the club and to the carnations specifically will mean that he can't be faithful to her. Also I've been aiming for Veronica from the start.

I´m probably just pilling on, and far from me to tell you how to play the game, but as someone who also tries to be the good guy in every game I play, I also took the opportunity to be with Mina behind Ian´s back. First, I really don´t like Ian. I know the MC is supposed to be bffs with him, but I personally don´t see why. Second, the way he treats Mina is just awful. Constantly cheating on her, and even when they are together he either doesn´t pay her attention or starts flirting with other girls in plain sight. Mina is wasted on a guy like him.

 

[Maviarab]

I´m probably just pilling on, and far from me to tell you how to play the game, but as someone who also tries to be the good guy in every game I play, I also took the opportunity to be with Mina behind Ian´s back. First, I really don´t like Ian. I know the MC is supposed to be bffs with him, but I personally don´t see why. Second, the way he treats Mina is just awful. Constantly cheating on her, and even when they are together he either doesn´t pay her attention or starts flirting with other girls in plain sight. Mina is wasted on a guy like him.

 

[Takkatakka]

Mina is wasted on a guy like him.

The simple fact is he never really cared for her to begin with. For him she was somewhat of a trophy girlfriend to satisfy his needs and to show her off, but he never seemed to have any problems with hurting her feelings or cheating on her. I can understand the "bros before hoes" mentality and I would normally agree, but Ian really had it coming. If anything it would actually do him good to be cheated on and to understand how that feels, but I doubt he would learn from that anyway.

 

[ffive]

If anything it would actually do him good to be cheated on and to understand how that feels, but I doubt he would learn from that anyway.

Yeah, if someone views women with derision to begin with then getting cheated on is only going to serve as a "proof" that they're right to think so badly of them all along, instead of a reason for some self-reflection.

 

[Takkatakka]

Yeah, if someone views women with derision to begin with then getting cheated on is only going to serve as a "proof" that they're right to think so badly of them all along, instead of a reason for some self-reflection.

Could be, but I'm not even sure that is fully the case with him. It mighty simply be that he hasn't been together with woman he actually has feelings for.

I think the most telling of his scenes is pretty early in the game when Edwin goes out with him, Mina and Felicia and he deliberately pisses Mina off, because that means she will put more effort into the sex with him later. He so doesn't care about making her feel bad, he just thinks about himself. So...might be the case that he just sees women as a tool and the Club really won't help him getting rid off that mentality.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

The most telling thing that shows how Ian feels about Mina is that when they finally break up, he basically shrugs. Mina is a diamond in the rough and ole dude treats her like shit for no reason other than because he can

 

[Takkatakka]

The most telling thing that shows how edwin Ian feels about Mina is that when they finally break up, he basically shrugs. Mina is a diamond in the rough and ole dude treats her like shit for no reason other than because he can

/fify



But yeah, the rest is correct.

 

[Ragnar]

Do you want to destroy Ian? Show him the porn of Edwin's mom

 

[Takkatakka]

Do you want to destroy Ian? Show him the porn of Edwin's mom

Are we sure he doesn't know that porn already? Edwin found it on his own, right?