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Lowkey, i think Kathleen is far more desperate and simpleminded than Rosalind. Obviously she is an actual human being and not some sadistic psychopath, but when i look at the subtle differences between low/high affection and deal/no-deal i think it could be argued that as far as mindgames go she's lightyears ahead. Afterall there's a reason why she won't try as hard to win over an Edwin who didn't agree to her deal (despite arguably being a better person, just of less use to her), while 3 weeks in Kath is stll trying hard as ever to win over some random kid who may or may not want nothing to do with her.
Although on the flip side, i guess if Kath's endgoal is just to make things as miserable as possible for as many people as possible, then her approach makes a degree of sense. Still think she'd accomplish more if she were half as subtle as Rose, but even Palpatine crossed over to chaotic evil in his old age so who knows.
Although a great idea, I am a simple minded person. I still want to see her get fucked, literally. I need the visual stimulation for ... reasons
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Takkatakka
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What? Kathleen? Kathleen is VERY obviously a sadistic psychopath. She isn't like a serial killer (and hell, the next update(s) might even correct that assumption), but she very clearly is abusing and exploiting people for her own gain and amusement without a care in the world.
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Ottoeight
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Abel: Do you trust your bosses?
Edwin: One's a gangster, one's a bomb-making hedonist, and one of them is Kathleen Pulman.
This sums up everything.
Or just look up your trust scores in the statistics menuAbel: Do you trust your bosses?
Edwin: One's a gangster, one's a bomb-making hedonist, and one of them is Kathleen Pulman.
This sums up everything.
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Precisely. To me, it's the mark of a well written villain when the audience hates them, whereas a poorly written villain makes the audience hate the author.
I hate Kathleen and love TD, 'nuff said.
I agree Rosalind is underappreciated as a manipulator, but I don't think Kathleen necessarily comes off worse by comparison. They're trying to accomplish very different things. First, as you note, Kathleen wants to make people suffer. Lording her victims' helplessness over them is a big part of the fun; a more subtle approach would be counterproductive. Rosalind, on the other hand, just wants her problem solved; the fewer additional enemies she makes in the process the better, hence subtlety is ideal for her.
But second and more importantly, Rosalind is operating from a position of weakness whereas Kathleen is operating from a position of strength (though like Palpatine, Kat can be prone to overconfidence). Rosalind has no stick to bring people round, she can only try to convince them that helping her is a good idea. That requires a healthy dose of tact and discretion because no one likes being told what to do. Her attempt to seduce the MC, for example, isn't remotely subtle but is clearly calibrated to appeal to what she believes to be his sensibilities: compassionate and horny.
Kathleen, on the other hand, has plenty of tools in her arsenal so she can pick whichever will give the best results. When expedience is the order of the day, she goes straight for the jugular. When she needs something done carefully or wishes to minimize risk, she's quite capable of discretion. Just look at how she handled the punishment game after Week 2. Sure, the warm up with the cattle prod was pretty blatant, but when it comes time for the actual punishment she's quite hands-off because she wants to keep her direct fingerprints off it. She's already ensured the girls will respond the way she desires.
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Right before i was talking about Rose and right after i was talking about Rose, so yeah i was talking about Rose
Eh, don't really see it. Carrot and stick isn't really discreet, it's just carrot and stick. And if you always go for the stick anyway because you like waving it around, then what are you even trying to accomplish. Case in point, the caddle prod. Her main objective there should be getting Edwin to indulge himself, since she obviously cares about it so much (and she can always torment the girls later), yet as she
Which is, imo, Kathleen in a nutshell. Yeah, lots of tools in her arsenal, but always going for the hammer because she can. Even her arguably most underhanded plays, the secret drug deal and the exploitation of her sister's charity, she lowkey can't help mess up, the former by twice using that shit on some random kid for no reason at all (other than again, because she can), and the latter by letting everyone and their mothers know what's up, and how to ruin her if they want to.
I guess i could giver her some credit for forcing Edwin into the porn vid, although even that can blow in her face in a couple ways, but all in all i can see why she's pretty much the brothel's madame and that's about her cap.
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OkayRight before i was talking about Rose and right after i was talking about Rose, so yeah i was talking about Rose
Thank You! Yes she's my #2, but she definitely gets too much hate and not enough love in this forum
You do realize that's a ruse, right? Kathleen told Rose that the video would be distributed to maximize her humiliation, and then Kat recruits Edwin to shoot the video, who refuses due to the concerns of ruining his reputation. She blurts out (to the effect) that "It's not--" freezes, looks back at Rose, and THEN claims "the male's face will be blurred out." What was she originally going to say? Not the "blurred face" line, otherwise she wouldn't have stopped herself, and why would she look back at Rose before giving a second excuse? Because she was about to say that the video wasn't real, thus Edwin has nothing to worry about, but if she said that, and Rose overheard, OR Edwin told Rose the truth, then Rose would loose her humiliation, and as that was the theme of Week 2, Kat's exhibition would have failed.
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You can have sexual relationships with multiple women at the same time, but I wouldn't call it a harem.