VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[ManipuliereGlied]

I think I felt odd once I got to the part where Mina and MC having a talk in the cafe or sth then proceeded to the hotel. Idk, it just that reading their conversation made me feel weird, like:"Wait, why are they talking and acting like this". Especially the hotel part, the Mc made me confused as hell, I couldnt see the old MC I knew in the current MC, Mina too. Idk, I forgot what they said since it was months ago. I'll replay to see if I still find it odd

hm yeah I see that. Mina goes pretty fast there. I think Mina is someone that only needs the tiniest of straws to break her back (sorry for that) and now she maybe overreacts a bit after all that Ian stuff and MC pushing exactly the right buttons. Maybe I'm reading too much into it though lol

 

[ManipuliereGlied]

Just to make things clear, this is NOT an entitled answer: the game has a lot of variables to set and score points to raise in order to achieve a goal.

I really dont know anything about Renpy games but is it safe to say that there are no further hidden variables/labels or anything?

Or is there a possibility that something that isn't a decision label yet will actually become one in the future, or is that not something that is possible in this engine?

Anyway, there is no Mina girlfriend path yet: you've just messed and cheated on Hana, so be prepared for her future wrath.

I'm curious how the the Rosa threesome will impact things because you dont get to avoid it after you made the decision with Ian (and it also doesnt add to the Hana-Cheat-Counter)

 

[Maviarab]

Or is there a possibility that something that isn't a decision label yet will actually become one in the future, or is that not something that is possible in this engine?

This happens in many VN's.

 

[Hungnoxu]

Quoting myself, "check Mr Bubu's walkthrough in the first post."

Just to make things clear, this is NOT an entitled answer: the game has a lot of variables to set and score points to raise in order to achieve a goal.

So, my answer is ALWAYS: check the walkthrough.

Anyway, there is no Mina girlfriend path yet: you've just messed and cheated on Hana, so be prepared for her future wrath.

If you want to have both, choose Hana's fuckbuddy path, at the moment.

thx but may I ask that will I miss any events or things if I choose not to make Hina my gf but a fckbuddy?

 

[ManipuliereGlied]

thx but may I ask that will I miss any events or things if I choose not to make Hina my gf but a fckbuddy?

so far and afaik, no. Except a few minor dialogue changes. You dont even miss the "public kiss" which I personally would have expected as a GF exclusive thing.

 

[MoBy28]

I'm curious how the the Rosa threesome will impact things because you dont get to avoid it after you made the decision with Ian (and it also doesnt add to the Hana-Cheat-Counter)
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Don't think that would count since it was technically club business. It was the requirement for Ian to pay which kept Rosie in the competition. Kind of a gray area but still club business, plus it was arranged before the Hana decision.

 

[ManipuliereGlied]

Don't think that would count since it was technically club business. It was the requirement for Ian to pay which kept Rosie in the competition. Kind of a gray area but still club business, plus it was arranged before the Hana decision.

True it is a grey area. But it could also be argued that "becoming friendly" with Feli is also club business because it motivates her to stay in the competition. I understood the agreement with Hana that stuff at the club specifically at the challenge weekends is the exception.

 

[Turret]

True it is a grey area. But it could also be argued that "becoming friendly" with Feli is also club business because it motivates her to stay in the competition. I understood the agreement with Hana that stuff at the club specifically at the challenge weekends is the exception.

The agreement with Hana on the GF path is not limited to the PC weekends, but all Club business, since both our MC and Hana know the club can intrude during the week also. It hinges very much on the intention behind if events are counted as cheating. The threesome with Rosi falls surely more towards club business, but I would not be surprised if it counts towards cheating. Also what happens with Feli and Lucy (as long as it keeps to the kiss from Lucy in her case) at the art exhibition should count as Club business. But what happens with Felicia at her hideout is heavily insinuated as the two falling for each other.

 

[Randomguy3478]

But what happens with Felicia at her hideout is heavily insinuated as the two falling for each other.

*on each other

 

[ename144]

The agreement with Hana on the GF path is not limited to the PC weekends, but all Club business, since both our MC and Hana know the club can intrude during the week also. It hinges very much on the intention behind if events are counted as cheating. The threesome with Rosi falls surely more towards club business, but I would not be surprised if it counts towards cheating. Also what happens with Feli and Lucy (as long as it keeps to the kiss from Lucy in her case) at the art exhibition should count as Club business. But what happens with Felicia at her hideout is heavily insinuated as the two falling for each other.

More or less this. The threesome with Rose IS the Club business; it was the price Ian requested for clearing Rose's short-term debts. By contrast, to the extent Felicia's date is Club business, it's entirely in escorting her to the art show; you don't *need* to sleep with her afterwards to accomplish that, hence doing so represents the MC cheating.

My guess is that Hana will eventually comment on the threesome with Rose once she learns of it. While I doubt she'll be happy, she'll probably roll with it so long as the MC treats it as a rare exception. If the MC tries to shut down her concerns or keeps doing that kind of thing, that's when the gloves might come off.

As for why it doesn't count as 'cheating,' from what TD said it sounds like the cheating counter is more about how blasé the MC is when it comes to Hana than some sort of doomsday counter for the relationship. Given that, I can see why Rose's threesome wouldn't count: the MC sees it as a pre-existing commitment rather than a conscious decision to bend the newly minted rules.

 

[Ebonheart (FR)]

Does anyone have any info or suspicions about future developments for MC/Mina/Hana routes ? I get the impression that outside of a possible threesome with Hana and Mina, we shouldn't expect much else, and perhaps only with the prerequisite of having a non-exclusive or sex friend relationship with Hana.

Would it be possible for a trouple, for example, to be formed with both girls on the road to non-commitment with Hana at the start, and could we in another case become a classic couple with Hana starting as sex friends at the beginning ? These are questions I've been asking myself, and I get the impression that vagueness has been deliberately maintained for some time about possible outcomes with the two girls, and/or separately I mean.

I was wondering whether Mina would end up discovering or frequenting the club with the MC, who after all seems to want to embark on a quest to discover her own sexuality and freedom. I'm guessing that the MC's own mother will also eventually learn of the club's existence and/or our involvement in it, more or less voluntarily with no doubt an eventual corruption of our character ending up feeling a little too much in his element. It would be great if the MC could in turn corrupt or pervert Mina, and probably more likely Hana, at least with her growing participation in the brothel's activities.

Will we see more about perversion, and especially for my part the development of sadism within the MC, which seemed like a possible interesting narrative development in the plot ? For the moment, it seems to be nothing more than a fluffy piece of dialogue for certain scenes, without really introducing anything very noteworthy in the evolution of the story.

Does the game really end at the end of week 4 and at the last exhibition show, or will it go on for longer knowing that the MC will continue to work there to pay for his medical studies after the end of the summer during his university year; if I've understood correctly what was said at the beginning of the story about the conditions of his contract with the club.

 

[dolfe67]

Does the game really end at the end of week 4 and at the last exhibition show, or will it go on for longer knowing that the MC will continue to work there to pay for his medical studies after the end of the summer during his university year; if I've understood correctly what was said at the beginning of the story about the conditions of his contract with the club.

There will be epilogues after the last exhibition show to conclude the game.

 

[Randomguy3478]

By contrast, to the extent Felicia's date is Club business, it's entirely in escorting her to the art show;

MC has officially been assigned the role of babysitter

 

[Ass prefer]

Does anyone have any info or suspicions about future developments for MC/Mina/Hana routes ? I get the impression that outside of a possible threesome with Hana and Mina, we shouldn't expect much else, and perhaps only with the prerequisite of having a non-exclusive or sex friend relationship with Hana.

Would it be possible for a trouple, for example, to be formed with both girls on the road to non-commitment with Hana at the start, and could we in another case become a classic couple with Hana starting as sex friends at the beginning ? These are questions I've been asking myself, and I get the impression that vagueness has been deliberately maintained for some time about possible outcomes with the two girls, and/or separately I mean.

I was wondering whether Mina would end up discovering or frequenting the club with the MC, who after all seems to want to embark on a quest to discover her own sexuality and freedom. I'm guessing that the MC's own mother will also eventually learn of the club's existence and/or our involvement in it, more or less voluntarily with no doubt an eventual corruption of our character ending up feeling a little too much in his element. It would be great if the MC could in turn corrupt or pervert Mina, and probably more likely Hana, at least with her growing participation in the brothel's activities.

Will we see more about perversion, and especially for my part the development of sadism within the MC, which seemed like a possible interesting narrative development in the plot ? For the moment, it seems to be nothing more than a fluffy piece of dialogue for certain scenes, without really introducing anything very noteworthy in the evolution of the story.

Does the game really end at the end of week 4 and at the last exhibition show, or will it go on for longer knowing that the MC will continue to work there to pay for his medical studies after the end of the summer during his university year; if I've understood correctly what was said at the beginning of the story about the conditions of his contract with the club.

How does this game end? Do you mean the current updates? because the game not over yet

 

[N024]

This update was so unbelievably worth the wait I genuinely can't put it into words. The sheer work put into every render (and the animations!!!) together with the most ungodly presently surprising writing is legitimately just absurd. I'm again caught between that midpoint where I wished I'd discovered this game sooner while also appreciating that I had so much to run through before getting caught up; and it turns out that getting caught up is just as much fun! Hana is perfect, Felicia is perfect, Mina is perfect, and there's stuff in this update that's not immediately fed to me that I don't even know about yet! I'm again reassured that the people behind this game fully know what they're doing and I really just couldn't be happier.

Also holy shit, the choice to make the bitchy art reviewer aroused by getting blackmailed and bullied? Peak.

 

[Turret]

More or less this. The threesome with Rose IS the Club business; it was the price Ian requested for clearing Rose's short-term debts. By contrast, to the extent Felicia's date is Club business, it's entirely in escorting her to the art show; you don't *need* to sleep with her afterwards to accomplish that, hence doing so represents the MC cheating.

My guess is that Hana will eventually comment on the threesome with Rose once she learns of it. While I doubt she'll be happy, she'll probably roll with it so long as the MC treats it as a rare exception. If the MC tries to shut down her concerns or keeps doing that kind of thing, that's when the gloves might come off.

As for why it doesn't count as 'cheating,' from what TD said it sounds like the cheating counter is more about how blasé the MC is when it comes to Hana than some sort of doomsday counter for the relationship. Given that, I can see why Rose's threesome wouldn't count: the MC sees it as a pre-existing commitment rather than a conscious decision to bend the newly minted rules.

I agree with you on this reading of the cheating points! In my 3 canon playthroughs the Rosi threesome is a non-factor since I always chose a specific different option to gain brownie points there, but the Felicia date is one.
In my Hana playthrough I told Feli that some things have changed and that the evening will be a simple date without any naughty fun.

 

[Takkatakka]

The threesome with Rose IS the Club business;

Yeah...no. Pretty sure that Hana wouldn't accept that as being part of the club business. Neither are stuff like the fuck after the date with Veronica or after the evening with Felicia. All of those a clear violations of Hanna's stipulation and it would be very weird if she would see it any other way.

 

[ename144]

Yeah...no. Pretty sure that Hanna wouldn't accept that as being part of the club business. Neither are stuff like the fuck after the date with Veronica or after the evening with Felicia. All of those a clear violations of Hanna's stipulation and it would be very weird if she would see it any other way.

I agree about the others, but disagree about Rose. How would the MC get out of the threesome without effectively voiding the deal with Ian? Yeah, in a practical sense Ian would be willing to release the MC if we explained the situation to him, but the MC would still be left feeling like he ripped off his friend. That's why I view this situation differently than fucking Veronica or Felicia: sex was explicitly the key part of the arrangement from the get go, long before the MC's commitment to Hana.

But as I said, that explains why the threesome won't set a precedent for whether the MC keeps mentally noting his lack of fidelity. The question of whether Hana accepts this logic will be determined much more by how the MC handles it once she learns of the incident.

 

[Takkatakka]

How would the MC get out of the threesome without effectively voiding the deal with Ian?

I don't remember them setting up an actual contract (never mind the fact that you can get out of those if the circumstances change as well).

 

[ename144]

I don't remember them setting up an actual contract (never mind the fact that you can get out of those if the circumstances change as well).

Funny, I don't recall Hana drafting up a contract either.