Rose won the first week and the second week ended in a three-way tie.A question, regarding exhibition -- in my playthrough Rose won the first week, and the second week ended up in a three-way tie. Does it mean, if now Veronica and Felicia won one week each, the exhibition would end in a dead heat, with no clear winner? Would it call for some sort of a tie-breaker, or would Kat be more than happy to declare "Well girls, unfortunately it looks none of you gets your reward, but thanks for playing~"?
According to TD Half of the "endings" won't even feature Edwin "at the club" for the ending (ie Edwin trying to leave the club and the complications around that) we don't know if that's during or after the 4th exhibition. I'd argue that a lot more "complications" arise if he wants to leave before it ends.Likely it is not even a story, since the game will end when the exhibition ends. There will be some epilogues, which will show the final outcome of our gameplay, but nothing will show us what will happens in the following months/years.
From the patrons (of the clubs) side would you want to gamble on a "game" where someone can go "ooooooh all that money you bet? It's invalid hehe try again next year~" not to mention that 99% of the clubs patrons dont want to be "taken advantage" of in that way (the one guy Dalia bullies wouldn't mindIt wouldn't go over well with... whom, exactly? Keep things looking fair for, again, whom? A random nobody who's upset over her own lack of forethought or a presumption that turned out wrong? Why would you spend money just to appease her in such case, when you can simply threaten her instead that if she doesn't keep her trap shut and any of this gets out to anyone, her current debt is going to be the least of her problems? These people are criminals who don't shy away from violence and outright murder, and who get the law on their side, to boot. You don't really think any of the girls would risk their very lives just because they'd want to vent about their bad experience?
According to TD Half of the "endings" won't even feature Edwin "at the club" for the ending (ie Edwin trying to leave the club and the complications around that) we don't know if that's during or after the 4th exhibition. I'd argue that a lot more "complications" arise if he wants to leave before it ends.
From the patrons (of the clubs) side would you want to gamble on a "game" where someone can go "ooooooh all that money you bet? It's invalid hehe try again next year~" not to mention that 99% of the clubs patrons dont want to be "taken advantage" of in that way (the one guy Dalia bullies wouldn't mind) they want the usual power over people type deal which Kathleen who is already unfairly judged for being a women flagrantly changing the rules to "fuck them over" is pretty much opposed to what they want since the patrons try to hit on her/disparage her every single exhibition.
I'm sure the people we don't see at the exhibitions but that we know are still gambling on it would also be in the "wtf is this bitch stealing my money for" camp as well
Then you have to consider one third of the owners would be directly against it (august) and Chuck would probably be indifferent at best it doesn't make sense for Kathleen to even be thinking about it unless she starts speeding up plans for the future (replacing August/Chuck with Hana/Edwin for just for example
As for the girls going to law enforcement? Yeah the club has the moorehead PD tied up pretty well but the FBI? (Human trafficking?) I'm pretty sure the reason that they aren't involved is because TD doesn't find the "FBI OPEN UP" meme to be hot.....they could easily and logically be involved in some endings though
Veronica might "lose hope in her fellow humans" if she learned that samson engineered the last year of her life (including having people she admires/cares about lie and manipulate her), on top of losing her only livelihood (and place to live)
Felicia's "life" or at least way of life could be at risk right now even if she is kept as a caged bird why would her husband (who has the power) let her do jack shit after he knows she's been part of the club? Potentially not even just having sex but also having having legitimate emotional connections and going on "dates" with Edwin (who he knows from the interview)
So 2/3 girls are already in a position where you can easily argue they won't be able to continue their life anyway and we still have an entire week+exhibition to go.....I can see rationally taking a backseat for a second while they rat out kathleen
Edit: FWIW according to Kathleen the patrons dont get to participate that much in the event because that would mess with the results
I think they'd still show up, yes. Sunk cost fallacy is a powerful mechanism, especially when that sunk cost is couple weeks of putting up with utter filth. The Carnations are already banking on mere chance of getting their prize, and they don't have any other similarly viable opportunity to get what they're after. If they had, they wouldn't be here in the first place, or threw the towel much sooner.Regardless of whether they knew of the Club before, the Carnations are here, now. If they learned that, say, Allison Smith didn't become a movie star after she won last year's competition but instead got snubbed because she didn't fill out her scorecard or something like that, do you think they're going to show up for Week 3's hijinks? Or will they decide it's no longer worth the risk and try some other desperate endeavor that seems more likely to deliver?
They could do that, yes. But there's two factors working against it: one, some girls actually winning the competition maintain the image that a win is possible in the eyes of subsequent participants. Allison Smith gets wheeled out as a bait because she is a "success story", so to speak. And #2, tie(s) being potential outcomes enhance the range of betting options for the patrons, while things always ending with a tie would be completely uninteresting in that context.Like it or not, reputation is a real thing, even in a nominally secret endeavor. If it were really so easy to wash their hands of the consequences, why would the Club bother to give the winner anything at all? They've already got what they need at that point, and allegedly none of the girls has any recourse, so what's the incentive to pay up? They might as well rig every year to end in a tie. You think August is just a bleeding heart with a thing for fair play?
Veronica is designated to deliver punishments in case of a tie, but she's not considered a winner of the week in such scenario. Both Kat and the game internally (per variable name) mark that situation as a three-way defeat, with all three girls being the losers.Rose won the first week and the second week ended in a three-way tie.
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This is not the case, because as a patron you *can* bet on a tie being the outcome -- during week 2 there's one guy who bet on such result, and in my game he got all the bet money. So yes, if anything the possibility of ties spices up betting, because it makes things more difficult to predict, than just 3 simple options.From the patrons (of the clubs) side would you want to gamble on a "game" where someone can go "ooooooh all that money you bet? It's invalid hehe try again next year~"
You could also argue that this is the case for at least 2/3rd of the girls who participated in competitions in previous years and ended up losers with nothing to show for it. Yet the club is still operating with impunity. Meaning either no one dared to rat Kat out, perhaps because at the end of the day staying alive is preferable, or if someone did, it has come to naught. All things considered, it's rather adorable that we'd talk about FBI as an incorruptible force of guaranteed justice in this setting.So 2/3 girls are already in a position where you can easily argue they won't be able to continue their life anyway and we still have an entire week+exhibition to go.....I can see rationally taking a backseat for a second while they rat out kathleen
IIRC what TD wrote earlier, in response to question why the patrons just sit and watch without much input, the patrons don't get to participate much in the early weeks of the exhibition. This changes down the road as the games escalate.Edit: FWIW according to Kathleen the patrons dont get to participate that much in the event because that would mess with the results
Thanks, I checked out exhibit n2. If Garofani draws he does not receive 1 point. Usually the winner gets 1 point and the loser a punishment, in this case 2 are punishedVeronica is designated to deliver punishments in case of a tie, but she's not considered a winner of the week in such scenario. Both Kat and the game internally (per variable name) mark that situation as a three-way defeat, with all three girls being the losers.
Is a tie the same as every one of the competitors "forfeited on a previously unexplained technicality"? I understood it as a "this years exhibition has no winner" instead of a nobody/everybody "wins" scenario?This is not the case, because as a patron you *can* bet on a tie being the outcome -- during week 2 there's one guy who bet on such result, and in my game he got all the bet money. So yes, if anything the possibility of ties spices up betting, because it makes things more difficult to predict, than just 3 simple options.
Do we know the extent of what the others wanted? Presumably its similar to Veronica/Rose in terms of money since Felica got the reaction she did for wanting to join for her given reasons. However given how unique Veronica/Felica's interactions are with the club overall I think the idea of them saying "fuck it scorched earth ive got nothing to lose" isnt 100% impossible (beyond the "meta" reasons of the vn needing to contine).You could also argue that this is the case for at least 2/3rd of the girls who participated in competitions in previous years and ended up losers with nothing to show for it. Yet the club is still operating with impunity. Meaning either no one dared to rat Kat out, perhaps because at the end of the day staying alive is preferable, or if someone did, it has come to naught. All things considered, it's rather adorable that we'd talk about FBI as an incorruptible force of guaranteed justice in this setting.
In this context, yes -- the original theoretical situation i was discussing was an equivalent of the week 2 tie outcome, i.e. all competitors ending with equal number of points (after 4 weeks of games) i.e. no one gaining an upper hand and becoming eligible to receive the prize, as defined by game rules. You could choose to describe this scenario the way you quote it, but it'd be a piece of sophistry, intended to color negatively what is a simple tie resulting in no actual winner.Is a tie the same as every one of the competitors "forfeited on a previously unexplained technicality"?
Oh, but we don't even know if it's an organization they don't profit from or don't have their fingers in it. Dr. Chuck is on record of working for a number of alphabet soup government organizations. At the very least we can presume he's got some contacts, but it also could be anything from a honeytrap to illicit financing source.No law enforcemnet agency is an incorruptible force of guaranteed justice.....however the biggest diffrence between MHPD and the FBI is that the MHPD is (literally) getting their dick wet by the club whereas the FBI (or any 3 letter agecny) its just a criminal organzistion that they arent controlling nor do they profit from![]()
I agree with a tie being possible potentiality even for the overall exhibition but since "forfeited on a previously unexplained technicality" was said instead of "they tied" I assumed they meant something other than they tied. At which point I would argue that a tie and "no contest but no refunds and i pinky promise this wont happen again so feel safe betting next time" are very different things both to the patrons (more the ones not at the club) and to people involved in the game potentially including Edwin and absolutely including Hana?In this context, yes -- the original theoretical situation i was discussing was an equivalent of the week 2 tie outcome, i.e. all competitors ending with equal number of points (after 4 weeks of games) i.e. no one gaining an upper hand and becoming eligible to receive the prize, as defined by game rules. You could choose to describe this scenario the way you quote it, but it'd be a piece of sophistry, intended to color negatively what is a simple tie resulting in no actual winner.
I mean we know that none of the patrons (at the club) are anything of the sort, I would think anybody that chuck has connections to at those places would be similar in age to him (like literally everyone he has connections in the past with) yet none of them can make the trip (which we know others do) to the club once a week for a month? Hell one of the patrons is an active COO of a PMC and his ass is there every weekOh, but we don't even know if it's an organization they don't profit from or don't have their fingers in it. Dr. Chuck is on record of working for a number of alphabet soup government organizations. At the very least we can presume he's got some contacts, but it also could be anything from a honeytrap to illicit financing source.
I mean yes, if that assumption was correct and if we're indeed talking about something other than one of potential outcomes which are apparently covered by the betting system (so the patrons can take them into account and aren't blindsided by them the way the Carnations are) ... then it'd be a fair point. That's not the case, though.I assumed they meant something other than they tied. At which point I would argue that a tie and "no contest but no refunds and i pinky promise this wont happen again so feel safe betting next time" are very different things both to the patrons (more the ones not at the club) and to people involved in the game potentially including Edwin and absolutely including Hana?
At the moment Hana seems mostly concerned with how the Carnations are treated during the shows (Edwin taking things to town and beyond what's strictly asked from him pisses her off) and she didn't actually object to week's result being a tie, or even took any offense at it. I'm pretty sure however that she'd react much stronger if the same policy was applied to actual outcome and she would push strongly towards either a tie-breaker or rewarding all girls.Speaking of Hana how would kathleens obvious and repeated attempts to get Hana on her side work in relation to all this? Hana is already "on the fence" about how "bad" this whole thing is and Kathleen handwaving everything on the last night seems like it would just make her less keen on all this?
Right, if Chuck is running this thing for some of his agency friends (be it as a source of money/info/blackmail/whatever) then i doubt they're official members, it'd be simply silly for them to compromise themselves in such direct manner. And this is all very tentative possibility in the first place -- Kat notes at some point that Chuck treats the venture as his personal playground and outside interferences (from Abel etc) would infuriate him. Then again, that's just Kat's reading of Chuck's character, and who knows how accurate that is.I mean we know that none of the patrons (at the club) are anything of the sort, I would think anybody that chuck has connections to at those places would be similar in age to him (like literally everyone he has connections in the past with) yet none of them can make the trip (which we know others do) to the club once a week for a month? Hell one of the patrons is an active COO of a PMC and his ass is there every week![]()
Couldn't have said it better, props.I agree on both points, but the one that made me click the reply button is your last point. No other game on here that I have played has made me self-reflect and actually *think* about it the way PC does. No other game that I have played has made me care the same way about the characters as people, nothing pas "Sure I wanna see what happens next." The writing in this game is absolutely top-notch. I still can't believe this much quality and Actual Literary Merit is to be found in a frickin' porn game, of all things.
August is certainly too soon. End of september maybe, but not before october imoSaw someone say August/September View attachment 3780736
I doubt that Chuck is running things at PC for his acronym salad friends. Even for a darkish ops there is too much half-legal and fully illegal stuff happening at the Club. It is his personal playground, that is coming out more and more. Not only Kat says so, August hints at this in his talk with Otto as well.Right, if Chuck is running this thing for some of his agency friends (be it as a source of money/info/blackmail/whatever) then i doubt they're official members, it'd be simply silly for them to compromise themselves in such direct manner. And this is all very tentative possibility in the first place -- Kat notes at some point that Chuck treats the venture as his personal playground and outside interferences (from Abel etc) would infuriate him. Then again, that's just Kat's reading of Chuck's character, and who knows how accurate that is.
Saw someone say August/September View attachment 3780736