I wished this game has more intersection between routes, but I doubt it will given how you can't change your mind on past decisions. For example, I now want to help Veronica as I interact with her more but the game doesn't give an option to change your mind and start helping. I do hope we get to see darker content for the MC though, I am trying to play him as someone who gets slowly corrupted by the place. In fact I am hoping we get some rape content, and then having the option to realize what a monster he has become.
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You think they will risk that for a rape scene? Be serious.
Edwin with high asshole counter can sort of approach this already, with the way he threatens and effectively blackmails Lucy into letting him have his way with her during the outing with Felicia. I don't think it'll get much more blatant than that, but there's already some pretty rapey undertones in the game as it is, and it won't surprise me if things skirt closer to that line.
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"+5 She's impressed by your medical skills". Where does this happen? I don't see any +5 for Veronica in the game walkthrough.
Also, when i was talking about prostrating yourself it was in the context of never talking back to her like she's your equal (i.e. giving her the same contemptuous attitude she's giving you) or to make a snarky/negative remark about her. Because that loses you points or at the very least doesn't gain you any. Which, if you don't go out of your way to spend extra time with her, is something you can't really afford.
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Ottoeight
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Hey, if people can't stand the idea it's possible to miss out on Veronica's route while not "treating her like a sex toy", if you play the game blind rather than follow a walkthrough, and it somehow rustles their jimmies... it's not my problem.
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i think it happens when you go to gym alone and one of her clients has some sort of ligment tearing and the MC uses his anatomical knowledge to diagnose the problem
Oh yeah, that makes sense. I thought that was +6 for some reason. Ironically, i've decided to bring Mina along in my game because i thought it'd make Veronica more at ease, that it'd benefit her more to get 2 customers instead of 1, and also because it simply made sense, with Mina mentioning she was looking for a new gym. Totally treating Veronica like a sex toy, there.
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No, there isn't because they still have agency and choice..
Technically a person who gets blackmailed or otherwise forced with a threat into sex also had "choice" to pick the alternative, but legally (and commonly) that still qualifies as non-consensual act and a rape.
Oh yeah there is that blackmail scene, forgot about it but yeah rape doesn't have to be done solely through force. I hope to see more like as I slowly have my character walk off the deep end as he tries to balance being a "good" person, indulging, and not pissing his boss off.
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The whole game's scenario itself is intrinsically skeevy, but it is built on the notion of consent and taking advantage what is quote unquote freely given. Lucy is prostituting herself willingly, full stop. The only leverage the player (and the club) have over her is her selfish desires. In that example, Edwin is certainly taking advantage and abusing his position, but to call it effectively blackmail is off the mark I think.
It's more like workplace sexual harassment. Quid pro quo. :kappa:
Of course, there's a lot fucked up on multiple levels about the entire situation. Using sex to get your son an unfair advantage over other students, the people exploiting that for profit and pleasure, and the whole prostitution ring business in the first place. Even if it's not blackmail, you can't argue it's morally defensible, but Lucy very much can say fuck this.
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Blyad, Are you talking about some whore being "raped"? this concept does not apply to.
One of the most interesting topics regarding the moral nuances of the characters is that all of them, despite their social facades, have a dark side to be explored and worked on. Lucy is a great example of this, and a fact that caused me a lot of excitement is the contrast presented by her situation in this specific scene: she is inserted in a shameful situation, without really knowing if she is not escaping from the protagonist's hands because she is thinking about her well-being. of your child, or for feeling, in a very fucked up and exciting way, pleasure in the total relinquishment of control.
Out of curiosity i went through my playthrough to check the choices i've made re: Veronica, and this is the rundown:
... end result: 19 relationship points and 3 points short. You can now proceed to tell me how horrible and dehumanizing was the treatment Veronica suffered at the hands of my Edwin, and how it's totally justified and consistent he'd get blocked from trying to comfort her after the show.
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Yeah, the gamification side of things can be pretty wonky. The difference of single pleasantry making or breaking her being receptive to a hug when she's at rock bottom is simply ludonarrative dissonance. It's kinda why I don't like to lean on the point system too often, and instead build on other choices.
I've lowered the Veronica hug gate before, and I'm open to adjusting it again, but people always come the other direction and tell me it's reasonable. Any grumbling to the contrary is appreciated for the running tally in my head.
Anyway, don't attribute my shitty game design sense as a Veronica character flaw.
I've been playing a lot of ORS recently and I've come to appreciate both how narrow the range of affection is for determining checks, as well as the general flexibility of the routes.
Just stuff I've been thinking about. I'd very much like to overhaul the point system at a certain point, but the priority is making progress narratively and not breaking anyone's saves. Maybe for the GOTY edition in 2032.
Don't worry, i'd actually leave it the way it is. I may use it as excuse to take a pot shot or two at Veronica but the current hug threshold seems good overall -- it makes sense that only really Edwin who has gone extra mile to get to know Veronica ends up in position where they'd consider each other something that might start to look like friends. Especially since Edwin isn't exactly a charismatic extrovert himself.
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It has nothing to do with the "paid members" on patreon, a rape scene would make no sense and at no point, even if you're playing the most "evil" Edwin you can, would he end up straight up raping anyone. I feel like y'all tend to forget how "realistic" this game tries to be with it's cast of characters and their personalities. And maybe it's because so many AVN or the adult japanese rpgs in this site downplay rape so much and make it so common, you might think any game has space for a rape scene, but Edwin raping someone wouldn't make sense at all.
So between Hana and Mina I rather have only Mina as girlfriend as I don't want the game to start to adding points for cheating on Hana but on that same note I'm not sure how that might work out later in the game and future updates if Hana wants to blow up the club. I feel almost like I'm kinda forced to break off with Mina and go down the Hana girlfriend route if only to maybe have some influence later but I'm not sure. What should I do? Anyone got any tips on how to handle this situation?
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